Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Netserk]

red_flanders, the UCI rule was introduced in 2003 (and modified a few times since then). See page 11: http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/Rulesandregulation/18/23/94/2-ROA-20180101-E_English.PDF

Exclusion from races
2.2.010 bis
Without prejudice to the disciplinary penalties provided for by the regulation, a licence holder or a team may be excluded from a race if he/it seriously blemishes the image of cycling or of the race. This exclusion can occur before or during the race.

The exclusion shall be imposed by joint decision of the president of the commissaires panel and the organiser.

In case of disagreement between the president of the commissaires panel and the organiser, the decision shall be taken by the president of the Professional Cycling Council in the case of a UCI WorldTour event, and by the president of the road commission in other cases, or by the deputies they shall have designated.

The licence holder or the team must be heard.

If the decision is taken by the president of the Professional Cycling Council or by the president of the road commission, he may decide solely on the basis of the report from the president of the commissaires panel.

Unless otherwise provided in this regulation, the results and the bonuses and prizes obtained before the facts on which the exclusion is based shall not be withdrawn.

Special provisions applicable to road events:
The organiser may refuse permission to participate in – or exclude from – an event, a team or one of its members whose presence might be prejudicial to the image or reputation of the organiser or of the event.

If the UCI and/or the team and/or one of its members does not agree with the decision taken in this way by the organizer, the dispute shall be placed before the Court of Arbitration for Sport which must hand down a ruling within an appropriate period. However, in the case of the Tour de France, the dispute shall be placed before the Chambre Arbitrale du Sport [Sports Arbitration Chamber] (Maison du sport français, 1 avenue Pierre de Coubertin, 75640 Paris Cedex 13).
(text introduced on 1.01.03; modified on 1.01.05; 25.09.07; 1.01.09).

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Froome could then point to the precedent of Contador in 2011. Those opposing it could point to the precedent of Valverde in 2009.

He could, but Contador was cleared earlier in the year, so not comparable to Froome's case.

UCI appealed in March:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-appeals-contador-decision-to-court-of-arbitration-for-sport/

I know, the point is that Contador had been cleared, while Froome hasn't. As such you cannot compare them in this way.

 

[webvan]

In 2008 Astana didn't sue or appeal to CAS even though they had hired Bertie who'd won in 2007 with another team. But of course course Sky could try to play hardball and makes things even worse for themselves...

 

[70kmph]

The UCI changed the anti-doping process since Contador
Now its handled by LADS not the National Federations
Its supposedly much tougher

 

[webvan]

Right but that doesn't change the fact that in 2011 Condador had been sentenced and was done with his official "Spanish" suspension. It would have been difficult for the Giro and the TDF not to let him ride under the UCI 2.2.010 rule.

 

[thehog]

And who can remember when Brailsford demanded the UCI take a tougher line against Astana? :surprised:

Many in the sport hoped new UCI president Brian Cookson would take a tougher line against serial offenders.

"The UCI governs this sport, so they need to deliver," said Brailsford, 50.

"Great leaders don't find excuses why they can't do something. Sometimes you've got to get over obstacles and find ways of doing things to get to a new place.

"If you're in charge, you have to have rules and the leadership skills to deliver a credible sport."

Brailsford added Team Sky would "play our role as much as we can".

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/30770269

 

[thehog]

“Great leaders don’t find excuses” :lol:

 

[Wiggo's Package]

And who can remember when Brailsford demanded the UCI take a tougher line against Astana? :surprised:

Many in the sport hoped new UCI president Brian Cookson would take a tougher line against serial offenders.

"The UCI governs this sport, so they need to deliver," said Brailsford, 50.

"Great leaders don't find excuses why they can't do something. Sometimes you've got to get over obstacles and find ways of doing things to get to a new place.

"If you're in charge, you have to have rules and the leadership skills to deliver a credible sport."

Brailsford added Team Sky would "play our role as much as we can".

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/30770269

Great find

That was back in the good old days when SDB could make problems go away

By, for example, dropping another team in it

Uncle Brian was the key to that dynamic

 

[manafana]

Given this is sky, then it truely is a joke that they don't hold him back, they say one thing until it affects them, from sounds of it, he took more than inhaler hoping for quick win given his conditions, real face is he should not have been racing he was ill.

 

[bigcog]

Re: Re:

There you go :

UCI regulation 2.2.010bis :
“Special provisions applicable to road events:
The organiser may refuse permission to participate in – or exclude from – an event, a team or one of its members whose presence might be prejudicial to the image or reputation of the organiser or of the event.”

and the TDF rule that refer to 2.2.010 :

"ARTICLE 28
RÉCUSATION - EXCLUSION
28.1 : A.S.O. tient pour essentielle la préservation de son image, de sa réputation et de celles de l’épreuve. Conformément à l’article 2.2.010 bis alinéas 7 et 8 du règlement de l’UCI du sport cycliste, A.S.O. se réserve expressément la faculté de refuser la participation à – ou d’exclure de – l’épreuve, une équipe ou l’un de ses membres, dont la présence serait de nature à porter atteinte à l’image ou à la réputation d’A.S.O. ou de l’épreuve."

So absent any new development he is clearly not going to be starting the TDF this year.

There you go, thank you.

So at least ASO can reject Froome to participate to TDF without breaking any UCI or WADA rules.

And I guess the Giro and Vuelta organizers have similar provisions in their hands.

Quite possible Froome wasn't aware of this when he decided to take the stance he has done over his AAF. It's looking more and more like he would have been better to have initially said I made a 'mistake' and take a short ban. I wonder if Sky/DB did though, it could be a nice convenient excuse for them to cut Froome from the teams for the GTs and say to Froome we're not prepared to fight this.

 

[Rollthedice]

And who can remember when Brailsford demanded the UCI take a tougher line against Astana? :surprised:

Many in the sport hoped new UCI president Brian Cookson would take a tougher line against serial offenders.

"The UCI governs this sport, so they need to deliver," said Brailsford, 50.

"Great leaders don't find excuses why they can't do something. Sometimes you've got to get over obstacles and find ways of doing things to get to a new place.

"If you're in charge, you have to have rules and the leadership skills to deliver a credible sport."

Brailsford added Team Sky would "play our role as much as we can".

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/30770269

I remember it very well. Here's another good one:

Team Sky rider Peter Kennaugh tweeted: "What a joke this sport can be! The clean riders of the peleton need to get together and push these cheats out enough is enough."

 

[Rollthedice]

Another angry Italian, a good text, Cristiano Gatti editorial for Tuttobici can't forget when Froome announced at the Giro presentation that he will ride it while knowing his AAF. An aproximate translation of a few excerpts:

Even now, two months later, that presentation night makes me heavily angry. I feel taken by the nose, I hear the video of Froome, Sky - hoping not to have to match Vegni, because it would be the worst of all - as a mocking offensive. Yes, offensive: because it humiliates the Giro, humiliates Italy and humiliates all of us, at least those who still have a pride and a character.

One hundred years may pass and Froome will perhaps remain the unsurpassable winner of Grand Tours, but most of all he will remain the one who is very skilled at hiding the skeletons in the closet, making a mockery of popular credulity. If he still manages to ride and win the Giro, the question will not change at all: the stain is there and remains. Along with the mammoth doses that he has been puffing at the Vuelta.

Having to weigh a person, from my point of view it weighs more his staging of the scene with the salbutamol. Because after all it will always leave me an annoying doubt: an actor who plays so well, in public, what else is he able to disguise?

http://m.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=108293

 

[Wiggo's Package]

Re:

Another angry Italian, a good text, Cristiano Gatti editorial for Tuttobici can't forget when Froome announced at the Giro presentation that he will ride it while knowing his AAF. An aproximate translation of a few excerpts:

Even now, two months later, that presentation night makes me heavily angry. I feel taken by the nose, I hear the video of Froome, Sky - hoping not to have to match Vegni, because it would be the worst of all - as a mocking offensive. Yes, offensive: because it humiliates the Giro, humiliates Italy and humiliates all of us, at least those who still have a pride and a character.

One hundred years may pass and Froome will perhaps remain the unsurpassable winner of Grand Tours, but most of all he will remain the one who is very skilled at hiding the skeletons in the closet, making a mockery of popular credulity. If he still manages to ride and win the Giro, the question will not change at all: the stain is there and remains. Along with the mammoth doses that he has been puffing at the Vuelta.

Having to weigh a person, from my point of view it weighs more his staging of the scene with the salbutamol. Because after all it will always leave me an annoying doubt: an actor who plays so well, in public, what else is he able to disguise?

http://m.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=108293

This. Thank you

 

[webvan]

Interesting that this touches on his character too...he will certainly stop at nothing, like breaking into computers to sign up for a competition or make a fool of his leader by refusing to listen to team orders based on normal race tactics.

 

[macbindle]

Re:

Another angry Italian, a good text, Cristiano Gatti editorial for Tuttobici can't forget when Froome announced at the Giro presentation that he will ride it while knowing his AAF. An aproximate translation of a few excerpts:

Even now, two months later, that presentation night makes me heavily angry. I feel taken by the nose, I hear the video of Froome, Sky - hoping not to have to match Vegni, because it would be the worst of all - as a mocking offensive. Yes, offensive: because it humiliates the Giro, humiliates Italy and humiliates all of us, at least those who still have a pride and a character.

One hundred years may pass and Froome will perhaps remain the unsurpassable winner of Grand Tours, but most of all he will remain the one who is very skilled at hiding the skeletons in the closet, making a mockery of popular credulity. If he still manages to ride and win the Giro, the question will not change at all: the stain is there and remains. Along with the mammoth doses that he has been puffing at the Vuelta.

Having to weigh a person, from my point of view it weighs more his staging of the scene with the salbutamol. Because after all it will always leave me an annoying doubt: an actor who plays so well, in public, what else is he able to disguise?

http://m.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=108293

Take a deep breath.

Italians were right at the front of the queue for EPO from the 90s. The most famous doping doctor is Italian. The Giro has always been a dirty race...ask Pantani.....ask Basso, and his sister and her husband...ask Di Luca.

There is nothing new that Froome is doing here. As an Italian you should be pleased that he is honouring your race in the manner of your countrymen.

Froome is a cheat. And he fits in very nicely with what has gone before him.

 

[thehog]

And who can remember when Brailsford demanded the UCI take a tougher line against Astana? :surprised:

Many in the sport hoped new UCI president Brian Cookson would take a tougher line against serial offenders.

"The UCI governs this sport, so they need to deliver," said Brailsford, 50.

"Great leaders don't find excuses why they can't do something. Sometimes you've got to get over obstacles and find ways of doing things to get to a new place.

"If you're in charge, you have to have rules and the leadership skills to deliver a credible sport."

Brailsford added Team Sky would "play our role as much as we can".

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/30770269

Great find

That was back in the good old days when SDB could make problems go away

By, for example, dropping another team in it

Uncle Brian was the key to that dynamic

Exactly.

I did love the added spice from Fraud Brailsford:

Brailsford added Team Sky would "play our role as much as we can".

Team Sky would play the role of doping hard with protection whilst dropping every other team in it

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

The latest indiscreto of Beppe Conte on RadioCorsa would be that
the organisers of the 3 GT should meet 3 & 4 February
at the UCI Cyclocross Valkenburg 2018 and decide
conclusively if Froome rides any GT while he is under investigation.

We can but hope.

as a Sky fan, I dont want Froome to ride the Giro under investigation, risking of doing like Alberto did in 2011. the backfire from fans, twitter, clinic, journos, media, would be hard.
I hope for the minimum ban (6-9 months) and the Tour or the Vuelta

I agree - you cant have a GT being ridden by a rider who is likely to podium / win while they are under suspicion. I say the UCI should request SKY to suspend him, and if not they do it. I dont see what the UCI have to lose - I cant see anyway he will win his case, therefore he will be backdated banned, so they havent cost him any earnings.

 

[el_giles]

From 2012..

Team Sky has reaffirmed its anti-doping policy by asking their staff and riders to sign a declaration confirming that they have no past or present involvement in doping. Anyone who does not sign the declaration will leave the team, as will anyone who does sign but is subsequently found to be in breach of the policy. The team will also terminate contracts if individuals admit to any doping in their pasts.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sky-asks-riders-and-staff-to-sign-anti-doping-declaration/

So even if he takes 3-6 months, he'll need to find a new team. Unless, well, DB makes out like that never happened.

 

[phanatic]

Re:

Froome will perhaps remain the unsurpassable winner of Grand Tours, but most of all he will remain the one who is very skilled at hiding the skeletons in the closet, making a mockery of popular credulity.

http://m.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=108293

:lol: Very restrained writer. I would've mixed metaphors: hiding skeletons in plain sight.

 

[Breh]

Came across this gem on facebook:

Team Sky is not “killing the sport”. What’s killing the sport is all these self righteous fans. Chris Froome has not been found guilty of anything. But all these perfect people want to hang him. It’s disgusting. Most of you will need grace at some time. Good luck getting it. You liberals need to go melt.

Brilliant.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

The latest indiscreto of Beppe Conte on RadioCorsa would be that
the organisers of the 3 GT should meet 3 & 4 February
at the UCI Cyclocross Valkenburg 2018 and decide
conclusively if Froome rides any GT while he is under investigation.

We can but hope.

as a Sky fan, I dont want Froome to ride the Giro under investigation, risking of doing like Alberto did in 2011. the backfire from fans, twitter, clinic, journos, media, would be hard.
I hope for the minimum ban (6-9 months) and the Tour or the Vuelta

I agree - you cant have a GT being ridden by a rider who is likely to podium / win while they are under suspicion. I say the UCI should request SKY to suspend him, and if not they do it. I dont see what the UCI have to lose - I cant see anyway he will win his case, therefore he will be backdated banned, so they havent cost him any earnings.

We neee Froome making a comeback at Astana age 37. It has to happen, just for Walsh.

 

[Wiggo's Package]

Re: Re:

The latest indiscreto of Beppe Conte on RadioCorsa would be that
the organisers of the 3 GT should meet 3 & 4 February
at the UCI Cyclocross Valkenburg 2018 and decide
conclusively if Froome rides any GT while he is under investigation.

We can but hope.

as a Sky fan, I dont want Froome to ride the Giro under investigation, risking of doing like Alberto did in 2011. the backfire from fans, twitter, clinic, journos, media, would be hard.
I hope for the minimum ban (6-9 months) and the Tour or the Vuelta

I agree - you cant have a GT being ridden by a rider who is likely to podium / win while they are under suspicion. I say the UCI should request SKY to suspend him, and if not they do it. I dont see what the UCI have to lose - I cant see anyway he will win his case, therefore he will be backdated banned, so they havent cost him any earnings.

We neee Froome making a comeback at Astana age 37. It has to happen, just for Walsh.

Walsh will be ghosting his fourth Froome autobiography by then. Opening chapter "Vino To The Rescue"

 

[VO2 Max]

Re:

This is exactly what Lappartient should be preparing for right now. He represents the whole sport, and the whole sport is a laughing stock if Sky are allowed to string this out long enough for Froome to start the Giro or the Tour. They would be bringing the sport into (further) disrepute, quite apart from the ridiculous effect it would have on the dynamics of the race itself. In my view Lappartient needed to go much further in his statements the other day; be clear that the sport does have means to force them to put up or shut up on clearing Froome's name. This is already affecting other riders' season planning for no fault of their own; do Nibali/Dumoulin take advantage of Froome's absence to look at their own potential Double chances, or do their throw all their eggs in the Tour basket to try to beat a weary-from-Giro Froome? It might feel like the depth of winter but Tirreno-Adriatico is only six weeks away.

Exclusion from races
2.2.010 bis
Without prejudice to the disciplinary penalties provided for by the regulation, a licence holder or a team may be excluded from a race if he/it seriously blemishes the image of cycling or of the race. This exclusion can occur before or during the race.
...
The organiser may refuse permission to participate in – or exclude from – an event, a team or one of its members whose presence might be prejudicial to the image or reputation of the organiser or of the event.

 

[webvan]

I saw a post somewhere that said that LADS could force Froome to cough up an explanation at last but the mystery around AAF proceedings really looks terrible.

 

[70kmph]

Sky's plan is to enter Froome into the Giro and the Tour
Why get overly concerned about some asthma medicine
In Sept they expect Froome will be excused from all bans and sanctions

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

This is exactly what Lappartient should be preparing for right now. He represents the whole sport, and the whole sport is a laughing stock if Sky are allowed to string this out long enough for Froome to start the Giro or the Tour. They would be bringing the sport into (further) disrepute, quite apart from the ridiculous effect it would have on the dynamics of the race itself. In my view Lappartient needed to go much further in his statements the other day; be clear that the sport does have means to force them to put up or shut up on clearing Froome's name. This is already affecting other riders' season planning for no fault of their own; do Nibali/Dumoulin take advantage of Froome's absence to look at their own potential Double chances, or do their throw all their eggs in the Tour basket to try to beat a weary-from-Giro Froome? It might feel like the depth of winter but Tirreno-Adriatico is only six weeks away.

Exclusion from races
2.2.010 bis
Without prejudice to the disciplinary penalties provided for by the regulation, a licence holder or a team may be excluded from a race if he/it seriously blemishes the image of cycling or of the race. This exclusion can occur before or during the race.
...
The organiser may refuse permission to participate in – or exclude from – an event, a team or one of its members whose presence might be prejudicial to the image or reputation of the organiser or of the event.

Then why didn't the Vuelta stop Valverde from riding in 2009? The Giro/Tour Contador in 2011? Why was any Convicted doper allowed to start a grand tour?