Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[brownbobby]

Re: Re:

Here's an interview after the TT at the 2008 Tour: https://youtu.be/NttM0p8Q_yU?t=255

Froome's heavy coughing clearly shows he has some breathing issue. If he DS never noticed this he can't have been paying much attention.

Or maybe he did pay attention, but wasn't told it was asthma. From Lowe's article:

when Froome gave a rather chesty interview following his Tour de Romandie win in 2013, Michelle Cound assured her followers that her man was fit and healthy, claiming that “hard effort and cold air always makes him cough a bit.”




Cound never mentioned the asthma that, duh, might have been a better explanation.

In fact, hard effort and cold air could indeed exacerbate asthma symptoms, but if that was the case, why not say so? And while I can think of reasons why she, they, wouldn't want to own up to it, why did Froome change his mind about making the condition public a year later?

analogy with David Beckham ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1230404/David-Beckhams-biggest-secret-revealed-star-admits-Asthma.html
'It's never came out [until now] because I've had no reason to talk about it, but that's just me.'

Yes, but that's football, nobody gives a rats ass about doping and players medical history......in cycling we insist on knowing and analysing every single minute detail about our protagonists medical history from birth.

 

[thehog]

At least Vinrenque is on Froome’s side :lol:

 

[pastronef]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

 

[brownbobby]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

Interesting what they say about Froome, if ultimately sanctioned, only losing the Vuelta but getting to keep any results gained during the period waiting for the case to be decided, including the Worlds TT medal and The Giro should the case still be pending by that time......if true, and the writer seems very certain of this fact, then it casts a different light on why Froome is in no hurry to get this concluded.

 

[thehog]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

Interesting what they say about Froome, if ultimately sanctioned, only losing the Vuelta but getting to keep any results gained during the period waiting for the case to be decided, including the Worlds TT medal and The Giro should the case still be pending by that time......if true, and the writer seems very certain of this fact, then it casts a different light on why Froome is in no hurry to get this concluded.

If he holds out till after the Tour and gets a 9 months ban he could be back in 2019 like nothing happened with a Giro, a 5th Tour then retire

 

[brownbobby]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

Interesting what they say about Froome, if ultimately sanctioned, only losing the Vuelta but getting to keep any results gained during the period waiting for the case to be decided, including the Worlds TT medal and The Giro should the case still be pending by that time......if true, and the writer seems very certain of this fact, then it casts a different light on why Froome is in no hurry to get this concluded.

If he holds out till after the Tour and gets a 9 months ban he could be back in 2019 like nothing happened with a Giro, a 5th Tour then retire

Yep, i'm guessing they'll be pulling all the strings they can to get the tribunal arranged for sometime during early August....

 

[53*11]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

Interesting what they say about Froome, if ultimately sanctioned, only losing the Vuelta but getting to keep any results gained during the period waiting for the case to be decided, including the Worlds TT medal and The Giro should the case still be pending by that time......if true, and the writer seems very certain of this fact, then it casts a different light on why Froome is in no hurry to get this concluded.

If he holds out till after the Tour and gets a 9 months ban he could be back in 2019 like nothing happened with a Giro, a 5th Tour then retire

this is one of the few plausible possible tactics by sky but august is a bit too much of a delay; it also ignores the timeliness issue , ie if the athlete can not provide a reasonable explanation then UCI are within their rights to proceed, if they do not WADA can intervene. as inrng state, the ulissi case was 7-8 months from the AAF, in froomedawgs case this would be may 2018 and so impacting on giro and tour...

 

[red_flanders]

Re: Re:

As has been discussed here and in the salbutamol thread, there doesn't seem to be any public evidence that Froome is really an asthmatic (other than the assurance provided by a doctor), or that he took salbutamol prior to 2014, when he was seen with an inhaler and freely admitted to using the drug. He never mentioned it in his book, and his former manager at Barloworld couldn't confirm it. Also, something I just realized, is that when confronted with TUEs for prednisolone in 2013 and 2014, as revealed by the Fancy Bears hack of the WADA database, he responded:

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Here's an interview after the TT at the 2008 Tour: https://youtu.be/NttM0p8Q_yU?t=255

Froome's heavy coughing clearly shows he has some breathing issue. If he DS never noticed this he can't have been paying much attention.

That someone coughs after a hard effort is simply zero evidence of asthma. I've had coughing fits after really hard efforts any number of times, and I did not have asthma. He could have had a lingering cough. Or nothing whatsoever. We see riders coughing like this all the time.

This seems to be the most wishful of thinking and detached from any rational analysis of that clip.

 

[red_flanders]

At least Vinrenque is on Froome’s side :lol:

Translation? No idea what this says.

 

[53*11]

At least Vinrenque is on Froome’s side :lol:

Translation? No idea what this says.

virenques opinion carries the same weight as riis, LA, zulle etc

 

[hfer07]

Brailsford got Froomie's back

that's all you need to know

 

[Rollthedice]

At least Vinrenque is on Froome’s side :lol:

Translation? No idea what this says.

From a doper to a doper, nothing relevant. But Cyrille Guimard is quite angry:

"Sky takes the liberty of playing with the rules that allow them to let their rider take part in any competition. It is neither more nor less, a provocation. It's even worse than that, it's cynicism. Because Froome and his team are smoking us. Riding Ruta del Sol is a mark of sufficiency because they are mocking the disastrous image they give to cycling. It is known, thugs always use the rules wisely. They will make the pleasure last because the more they will take their time, the more they will have a chance to find a technicality regarding the file which, in the end, will clear Froome. Sky are putting in place a well-oiled communication system, but no one should be fooled.

Chris Froome at Ruta del Sol will become a media star and, ultimately, a victim. The organizer will have all the cameras in the world, he will never have so much publicity. It is this aspect that shocks me the most, making Froome a star on the roads of Ruta del Sol is outrageous. It is the other riders who may have the key to the problem: that they refuse to ride alongside him or that they refuse any doping control until the case is settled. "

 

[silvergrenade]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

Interesting what they say about Froome, if ultimately sanctioned, only losing the Vuelta but getting to keep any results gained during the period waiting for the case to be decided, including the Worlds TT medal and The Giro should the case still be pending by that time......if true, and the writer seems very certain of this fact, then it casts a different light on why Froome is in no hurry to get this concluded.

Coolest piece of news Ive read in a while.
Froome should drag this out until he's 40, retire and then take a 2 year ban. LOL! :lol: :lol:
What a CHAMP!

 

[brownbobby]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

Interesting what they say about Froome, if ultimately sanctioned, only losing the Vuelta but getting to keep any results gained during the period waiting for the case to be decided, including the Worlds TT medal and The Giro should the case still be pending by that time......if true, and the writer seems very certain of this fact, then it casts a different light on why Froome is in no hurry to get this concluded.

If he holds out till after the Tour and gets a 9 months ban he could be back in 2019 like nothing happened with a Giro, a 5th Tour then retire

this is one of the few plausible possible tactics by sky but august is a bit too much of a delay; it also ignores the timeliness issue , ie if the athlete can not provide a reasonable explanation then UCI are within their rights to proceed, if they do not WADA can intervene. as inrng state, the ulissi case was 7-8 months from the AAF, in froomedawgs case this would be may 2018 and so impacting on giro and tour...

Not so sure.....whilst the Ulissi case is a useful point of reference it's by no means firm precedent setting.

Froome is trying to build a much more complex and technical defence, which he has the means and entitlement to do.

All his highly paid legal team need to do is convince the authorities that they need a couple of extra months than Ulissi took to properly research and present this case. Hey Presto, Froome is free to not only ride the Giro and the Tour, but also keep any results he gets!

Considering that even his most loyal fans would admit his powers are in decline and he's sure to have a much better shot at success this season than next, then short of being cleared of all charges the scenario above would represent one hell of a result for his legal team.

 

[rick james]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

Interesting what they say about Froome, if ultimately sanctioned, only losing the Vuelta but getting to keep any results gained during the period waiting for the case to be decided, including the Worlds TT medal and The Giro should the case still be pending by that time......if true, and the writer seems very certain of this fact, then it casts a different light on why Froome is in no hurry to get this concluded.

Coolest piece of news Ive read in a while.
Froome should drag this out until he's 40, retire and then take a 2 year ban. LOL! :lol: :lol:
What a CHAMP!

sound good to me

 

[silvergrenade]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

Interesting what they say about Froome, if ultimately sanctioned, only losing the Vuelta but getting to keep any results gained during the period waiting for the case to be decided, including the Worlds TT medal and The Giro should the case still be pending by that time......if true, and the writer seems very certain of this fact, then it casts a different light on why Froome is in no hurry to get this concluded.

If he holds out till after the Tour and gets a 9 months ban he could be back in 2019 like nothing happened with a Giro, a 5th Tour then retire

this is one of the few plausible possible tactics by sky but august is a bit too much of a delay; it also ignores the timeliness issue , ie if the athlete can not provide a reasonable explanation then UCI are within their rights to proceed, if they do not WADA can intervene. as inrng state, the ulissi case was 7-8 months from the AAF, in froomedawgs case this would be may 2018 and so impacting on giro and tour...

Not so sure.....whilst the Ulissi case is a useful point of reference it's by no means firm precedent setting.

Froome is trying to build a much more complex and technical defence, which he has the means and entitlement to do.

All his highly paid legal team need to do is convince the authorities that they need a couple of extra months than Ulissi took to properly research and present this case. Hey Presto, Froome is free to not only ride the Giro and the Tour, but also keep any results he gets!

Considering that even his most loyal fans would admit his powers are in decline and he's sure to have a much better shot at success this season than next, then short of being cleared of all charges the scenario above would represent one hell of a result for his legal team.

Froome to prove his most loyal fans by smashing the Giro and the Tour and winning both by a margin of more than 15 minutes. Unprecedented SWAG! :razz:
What a CHAMP!

 

[MartinGT]

He's going to get off ain't he lol

 

[Poursuivant]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

Interesting what they say about Froome, if ultimately sanctioned, only losing the Vuelta but getting to keep any results gained during the period waiting for the case to be decided, including the Worlds TT medal and The Giro should the case still be pending by that time......if true, and the writer seems very certain of this fact, then it casts a different light on why Froome is in no hurry to get this concluded.

If he holds out till after the Tour and gets a 9 months ban he could be back in 2019 like nothing happened with a Giro, a 5th Tour then retire

If Froome gets banned by tribunal, it's almost certain he appeals to CAS. Would this mean he can ride while appealing or would UCI block him?

 

[Poursuivant]

Re:

He's going to get off ain't he lol

Highly unlikely. Look at the record for athletes going up against LADS: 15-0.

It's up to Froome to prove innocence as opposed to vice versa, and I see no way he can.

 

[Netserk]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

Interesting what they say about Froome, if ultimately sanctioned, only losing the Vuelta but getting to keep any results gained during the period waiting for the case to be decided, including the Worlds TT medal and The Giro should the case still be pending by that time......if true, and the writer seems very certain of this fact, then it casts a different light on why Froome is in no hurry to get this concluded.

If he holds out till after the Tour and gets a 9 months ban he could be back in 2019 like nothing happened with a Giro, a 5th Tour then retire

If Froome gets banned by tribunal, it's almost certain he appeals to CAS. Would this mean he can ride while appealing or would UCI block him?

Then he would be banned and unable to race.

 

[Wiggo's Package]

Guimard:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/guimard-team-sky-dont-care-about-the-disastrous-image-they-are-presenting-of-cycling/

"Sky are taking the liberty of playing with the rules that authorise them to let their rider take part in competition. It's nothing more or less than a provocation. It's even worse than that, it's cynicism," Guimard told L'Équipe. "Froome and his team are putting one over on us. The act of riding the Ruta del Sol is an act of self-importance, because they absolutely don't care about the disastrous image that they are presenting of cycling.

"They're going to draw things out because the longer they take, the more chance they have of finding some technicality in the case that, in the end, will clear Froome. Sky are in the process of putting a well-oiled communications system in place, but nobody should be fooled."

 

[mrhender]

No cycling without drama.

DB saying he supports Froome for now, is like saying you haven't beaten your kid "yet".

Man of morals. Lol.

Though I understand he's in a lose/lose situation.

 

[Poursuivant]

Guimard:

"The other riders perhaps have the key to the problem: they could refuse to ride alongside him or refuse anti-doping controls until the affair is resolved."

Utter, utter bollocks

 

[mrhender]

Sky would be better of going with a real brit imo.

Or maybe the genious DB can revive his dream of making a TDF champion of a frenchman. That would maybe ease the crowd.

Oh well, maybe everything is forgotten in 12 months.

Scandals (in cycling) -with no closure in sight - tend to run out of steam fast.

 

[Poursuivant]

good INRNG piece with a few explainations

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/960795514005590017

Interesting what they say about Froome, if ultimately sanctioned, only losing the Vuelta but getting to keep any results gained during the period waiting for the case to be decided, including the Worlds TT medal and The Giro should the case still be pending by that time......if true, and the writer seems very certain of this fact, then it casts a different light on why Froome is in no hurry to get this concluded.

If he holds out till after the Tour and gets a 9 months ban he could be back in 2019 like nothing happened with a Giro, a 5th Tour then retire

If Froome gets banned by tribunal, it's almost certain he appeals to CAS. Would this mean he can ride while appealing or would UCI block him?

Then he would be banned and unable to race.

Right so there's no way he is going Tour, how can they drag it out until August?