Fully doped cycling? 65km TDF Stage 17

[Escarabajo]

I didn't know what you all were talking about until I realized the title of the thread has been changed. That word has been used ad naseum in the clinic. But if you want to change it here is fine with me.

There has been a lot of progress with the right use of words in today's society. We evolve. That's nature. Many things that were said and done in the past are not right today. I am all for that.

 

[thehog]

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I just hope Movistar get the whole leadership committee and at least one other in the front group and wreak total havoc.

IF Soler can manage his recovery and if he's learned from last year's Vuelta it's possible he could be there. He has the potential to be there. Also remember Amador has a top 5 in a Grand Tour (the Giro), so it's possible he could be there. Thus meaning it's possible they could end up with 5 riders in that group. IF that happens I'd definitely except them to definitely try something.

Movistar if they have their team high GC, which should be the case this stage of he Tour are probably best placed team on GC. Could be fireworks. Sky will have a crashed Thomas, a Giro tired Poels leaving only 6 riders.... maybe.

 

[thehog]

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I didn't know what you all were talking about until I realized the title of the thread has been changed. That word has been used ad naseum in the clinic. But if you want to change it here is fine with me.

There has been a lot of progress with the right use of words in today's society. We evolve. That's nature. Many things that were said and done in the past are not right today. I am all for that.

To be gay is happy?

 

[aphronesis]

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I didn't know what you all were talking about until I realized the title of the thread has been changed. That word has been used ad naseum in the clinic. But if you want to change it here is fine with me.

There has been a lot of progress with the right use of words in today's society. We evolve. That's nature. Many things that were said and done in the past are not right today. I am all for that.

I think it’s fair to shift the meaning off some mid 1900s derogation and have it apply fully to someone whose other life might be a basement gimp.

 

[JosephK]

The re-titled thread works for me. The offending phrase from the original title also implied not only doping, but a disregard for any restraint in performance that might otherwise be used to disguise not only the doped condition, but any overt edge gained over the rest of the peloton from superior doping methods. In relation to Sky, Stage 17 will be the perfect setting for jettisoning any such restraint. If they feel Froome will be exonerated in the AAF case and their delaying strategies will be successful, then why not crank up all the motors and all the dope to go "full-on," as they will have become The Untouchables. If, on the other hand, they feel Froome will be going down after the TDF when the AAF case decision comes in, then Stage 17 will be an opportunity for one last middle finger salute to cycling and its fans outside of the UK. Either way, they will go full-on.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

When was the last time there was a short mountain stage? Riis in '96?

 

[Koronin]

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I just hope Movistar get the whole leadership committee and at least one other in the front group and wreak total havoc.

IF Soler can manage his recovery and if he's learned from last year's Vuelta it's possible he could be there. He has the potential to be there. Also remember Amador has a top 5 in a Grand Tour (the Giro), so it's possible he could be there. Thus meaning it's possible they could end up with 5 riders in that group. IF that happens I'd definitely except them to definitely try something.

Movistar if they have their team high GC, which should be the case this stage of he Tour are probably best placed team on GC. Could be fireworks. Sky will have a crashed Thomas, a Giro tired Poels leaving only 6 riders.... maybe.

If they can manage and it does look like a goal of theirs, this stage could be extremely interesting and definitely explosive.

 

[thehog]

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When was the last time there was a short mountain stage? Riis in '96?

Short memory. Stage 13, 2017 Tour, 101km. Then of course there’s been MTTs.

 

[Robert5091]

But this dumba**e stage will produce gaps of seconds between GC guys. It's no better then a "hockey stick" stage of 205 km where the first 200 km are flat. If this was an ITT and stage 20 was the Queen Stage then we'd have a race.

 

[Oude Geuze]

Are all terms related to mental illness or retardation that were later colloquialised to mean something negative in general also banned? Because that’s a long list: Demented, crazy, stupid, obtuse, insane, manic, hysteric, dumb, impulsive, ***, unintelligent, mental...and the list goes on.

Btw, “***” is just the latest of a long list of words pertaining to (amongst other) a human condition seen as negative. The word was chosen to cause the least offense and stigma possible (it literally means delayed in technical jargon), and believe me, whatever new word or euphemism is adopted instead will become equally “tainted”. However, there is a fact that some actions or people are less intelligent than others, and it’s commonly found (mostly subjective) and therefore will have a word associated with it. So are we now not allowed to label anything as less than optimal and/or counterproductive, or do we just shun certain words which are deemed “offensive” by any group or individuals? Also, I highly doubt the OP wished to disparage people diagnosed with mental retardation, and I think everyone knows that. Context matters more than words themselves.

On topic: The stage will be madness (no offense, really) and I think CF might suffer as he seems to revel in long wars of attrition being the “last man standing” and profit from his extreme endurance. Valverde, Barguil or Porte to win.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

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When was the last time there was a short mountain stage? Riis in '96?

Short memory. Stage 13, 2017 Tour, 101km. Then of course there’s been MTTs.

MTTs are different. But not many examples of road race stages less than 100km in recent history. I think Riis stage was shortened due to weather or road problems, not a planned short stage.

 

[thehog]

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When was the last time there was a short mountain stage? Riis in '96?

Short memory. Stage 13, 2017 Tour, 101km. Then of course there’s been MTTs.

MTTs are different. But not many examples of road race stages less than 100km in recent history. I think Riis stage was shortened due to weather or road problems, not a planned short stage.

101km?

 

[Escarabajo]

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When was the last time there was a short mountain stage? Riis in '96?

Short memory. Stage 13, 2017 Tour, 101km. Then of course there’s been MTTs.

MTTs are different. But not many examples of road race stages less than 100km in recent history. I think Riis stage was shortened due to weather or road problems, not a planned short stage.

I published it in the road forum. The only one that I can remember goes back to 1985. Roche won the stage. He even used the TT lycra uniform. From the get go Hinault was being dropped. It was a nice stage. 52.5 kilometers.

Stage 18A:Wednesday, July 17, Luz St.Sauveur - Col d'Aubisque, 52.5 km

Major Ascents: Soulor, Aubisque
1. Stephen Roche: 1hr 39min 19sec
2. Sean Kelly @ 1min 3sec
3. Paul Wellens @ 1min 7sec
4. Luis Herrera @ 1min 15sec 5. Phil Anderson s.t.
6. Pedro Delgado s.t.
7. Greg LeMond s.t.
8. Bernard Hinault @ 1min 30sec
9. Beat Breu s.t.
10. Niki Ruttimann @ 1min 56sec

 

[King Boonen]

This is becoming very non-clinic like...

 

[rick james]

it should never be in the clinic in the first place

 

[thehog]

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This is becoming very non-clinic like...

Once the Tour rolls around it will become more Clinic like, especially with Froome in the frame!

 

[Koronin]

With today's announcement, they need to just stop anti doping tests and let everyone use whatever the heck they want to including motors. Why not, the UCI doesn't actually care.

 

[armchairclimber]

Well they let Valverde ride so maybe you're right. I'm actually glad. I'm sick of "doping" being used to mask hatred of individual riders... or teams. Too many "Mary Whitehouse" sheet-sniffers taking obnoxious puritanical stances in this forum. Some posters here never post anywhere else on the CN Forums. There are some great posters in this sub-forum ... the ones who actually bring some scientific analysis to the subject in particular, but you have to wade through a morass of bile to find it. I'm reminded of something in Viv Albertine's autobiography: she says, in the company of Don Cherry (jazz musician) that she hates junkies (he is a junkie). He replies that he "hates hate". I'm sick of it. Really looking forward to the first half of the TDF.

 

[Alpe73]

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Well they let Valverde ride so maybe you're right. I'm actually glad. I'm sick of "doping" being used to mask hatred of individual riders... or teams. Too many "Mary Whitehouse" sheet-sniffers taking obnoxious puritanical stances in this forum. Some posters here never post anywhere else on the CN Forums. There are some great posters in this sub-forum ... the ones who actually bring some scientific analysis to the subject in particular, but you have to wade through a morass of bile to find it. I'm reminded of something in Viv Albertine's autobiography: she says, in the company of Don Cherry (jazz musician) that she hates junkies (he is a junkie). He replies that he "hates hate". I'm sick of it. Really looking forward to the first half of the TDF.

+1

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Re: Re:

When was the last time there was a short mountain stage? Riis in '96?

Short memory. Stage 13, 2017 Tour, 101km. Then of course there’s been MTTs.

MTTs are different. But not many examples of road race stages less than 100km in recent history. I think Riis stage was shortened due to weather or road problems, not a planned short stage.

I published it in the road forum. The only one that I can remember goes back to 1985. Roche won the stage. He even used the TT lycra uniform. From the get go Hinault was being dropped. It was a nice stage. 52.5 kilometers.

Stage 18A:Wednesday, July 17, Luz St.Sauveur - Col d'Aubisque, 52.5 km

Major Ascents: Soulor, Aubisque
1. Stephen Roche: 1hr 39min 19sec
2. Sean Kelly @ 1min 3sec
3. Paul Wellens @ 1min 7sec
4. Luis Herrera @ 1min 15sec 5. Phil Anderson s.t.
6. Pedro Delgado s.t.
7. Greg LeMond s.t.
8. Bernard Hinault @ 1min 30sec
9. Beat Breu s.t.
10. Niki Ruttimann @ 1min 56sec

Thanks!

 

[roundabout]

There was a stage in the 70's to Mont Revard (I think) that was even shorter.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

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There was a stage in the 70's to Mont Revard (I think) that was even shorter.

I can only find Mount Revard having been climbed once last century, in 1965, Stage 18, a 26.9km MTT.

Maybe another climb?

 

[jens_attacks]

Superbagneres in 1971 won by fuente
20 km road stage.

 

[Escarabajo]

Re:

With today's announcement, they need to just stop anti doping tests and let everyone use whatever the heck they want to including motors. Why not, the UCI doesn't actually care.

:lol:

Moderators, please merge the clinic and the road cycling forums! it is officially legal to dope!

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

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Superbagneres in 1971 won by fuente
20 km road stage.

Nice pick up. Nearly 50 years ago!

That was back in the days of double stage days, although that was the only stage that day (stage 15).
On the double stage days there were plenty of shorter road stages.