Garmin Cervelo Dismiss Matt White

[dbrower]

I'm interested in knowing what email program searches pdf attachments for words.

That's a fair question, but I would expect a sysem search (Spotlight?) to do it, unless the PDF is really a scanned image.

-dB

 

[mewmewmew13]

an outsider's opinion here....how many of you actually know TL and what kind of a person he is. Is it possible that he is somewhat inexperienced in the 'politics' and has been given very bad advice or is being squeezed into a dark position by someone larger and more influential? Don't think we will hear from him directly if he is at all intelligent...but more from legal advisors. Also, I'm betting there are some more important names in the background that will be flushed out as more is known....
I may be entirely incorrect but it just seems to weird with missing pieces right now.

 

[BikeCentric]

I'm interested in knowing what email program searches pdf attachments for words.

Oh please, I would fire you for such a comment if you worked for me.

You search your e-mails for "Lowe" and then yes you OBVIOUSLY better open any attachments on the e-mails that come up. Otherwise you are not being thorough and display zero attention to detail. The fact that I have to explain this to you at all annoys me which is another reason why you're fired.

 

[euanli]

See. That is what I would do. But you've also answered my question, no email programs natively search in PDFs since I was responding to this comment:

"Really? Do these guys not know how to do a keyword search on their computers and/or e-mail? "

However what you suggest is not strictly just searching emails as stated. Its somewhat more involved.

 

[frenchfry]

Moral's clinic does not have his name in it. It is a government funded clinic called Perfoma

JV has launched some heavy allegations against Lowe. This is either because he knows it is true or is in deep $hit and is trying to get ahead of the story. The most rational choice is he is confident in his position.

Nice set up. Looks like the Spanish take their doping seriously.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Moral's clinic does not have his name in it. It is a government funded clinic called Perfoma

JV has launched some heavy allegations against Lowe. This is either because he knows it is true or is in deep $hit and is trying to get ahead of the story. The most rational choice is he is confident in his position.

Do you know what these health check PDFs actually look like? Is it something directly from the clinic, headed by the clinic name? Or is it something sent from the UCI, with a few standard boxes of fine print including the doctors name? (In the latter case, it would be understandable that Garmin staff focused on the results and didn't notice del mora's name IMO.)

JV better have something to back up his public accusation of blackmail. It seems that either Hardie is up to no good (blackmail) or JV is up to no good (slander). Ugly.

 

[BroDeal]

If the Slipstream statement that describes the use of health checks is accurate then I do not find that JV did not look at the PDF unbelievable. The mail was CCed to him. He probably gets a large volume of CCed mail. Mail is sent to the person with responsibility to handle it, but JV gets CCed just in case he wants to micromanage something. For an organization the size of Slipstream, it is common to receive all sorts of stuff that you don't want to deal with in detail unless a problem flares up.

If the numbers are not used for Slipstream's internal processes then the only thing JV would be concerned about is whether the check was done and sent to the UCI. The e-mail could have been as simple as, "Hola, got my 3rd qtr health check done. The form is attached." The actual mail recipient woulb be the one responsible for sending the info the UCI. If the subject line was descriptive enough, JV might not have even read the mail body let alone opened the attachment.

 

[BotanyBay]

Oh please, I would fire you for such a comment if you worked for me.

You search your e-mails for "Lowe" and then yes you OBVIOUSLY better open any attachments on the e-mails that come up. Otherwise you are not being thorough and display zero attention to detail. The fact that I have to explain this to you at all annoys me which is another reason why you're fired.

I don't open every attachment sent to me. I need to first feel confident that opening it is safe. Or are you talking the "security team"?

 

[this_is_edie]

If the Slipstream statement that describes the use of health checks is accurate then I do not find that JV did not look at the PDF unbelievable. The mail was CCed to him. He probably gets a large volume of CCed mail. Mail is sent to the person with responsibility to handle it, but JV gets CCed just in case he wants to micromanage something. For an organization the size of Slipstream, it is common to receive all sorts of stuff that you don't want to deal with in detail unless a problem flares up.

If the numbers are not used for Slipstream's internal processes then the only thing JV would be concerned about is whether the check was done and sent to the UCI. The e-mail could have been as simple as, "Hola, got my 3rd qtr health check done. The form is attached." The actual mail recipient woulb be the one responsible for sending the info the UCI. If the subject line was descriptive enough, JV might not have even read the mail body let alone opened the attachment.

I can believe that JV did not open or look at the attachment but I have trouble believing that the doc who the report was sent to didn't look at it Didn't want to know who did the tests?

 

[BikeCentric]

I don't open every attachment sent to me. I need to first feel confident that opening it is safe. Or are you talking the "security team"?

We're talking about .PDF's here, not "every" attachment. Yeah, never open a .EXE but a .PDF is basically a locked text document. Not to mention we are talking about the context of knowing who it came from and what it's about but not actually opening the document.

Anyway, bottom line here IMHO is Garmin is not looking at all professional in how this is being handled. Even if Lowe IS indeed a crook and all their claims about him are correct Vaughters and co. still look inept and out of touch. I'm very disappointed. And BTW, I've got a thread I started on here years ago entitled "Can Jonathan Vaughters save Pro Cycling" so don't think I'm just a hater. When I say I'm disappointed I'm being very sincere.

 

[Moller]

Here's an very interesting take on this, http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-and-comment/slipstream-more-questions-than-answers/

surprising to here cycle sport say anything critical of Vaughters.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm interested in knowing what email program searches pdf attachments for words.

vista and windows 7 can both search inside indexed files, and there are peices of software you can use for unindexed locations. Copernic desktop search does its for instance. Loads of options. Agent Ransack http://www.mythicsoft.com/page.aspx?type=agentransack&page=home is another popular one.

 

[Sanitiser]

Here's an very interesting take on this, http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-and-comment/slipstream-more-questions-than-answers/

surprising to here cycle sport say anything critical of Vaughters.

Cyclesport is on a roll.

 

[dolophonic]

The whole thing smells bad.

 

[Not Riding Enough]

If TLowe was blackmailing then surely it must be for more than for just his actions (unless he is not very smart).

Equally though if he wasn't paid then he would release any damaging information he has, which hasn't happened (yet).

It is interesting that JV sacked White without talking to him when he "first found out" about the refereral. Why did JV automaticaly believe the word of TLowe? Especially if the result was a sacking? Sure White has since said it is true but how did JV know at the time?

 

[Not Riding Enough]

We're talking about .PDF's here, not "every" attachment. Yeah, never open a .EXE but a .PDF is basically a locked text document. ....

Off the topic but there have been many many IT security issues with opening PDFs. Many people don't do all the acrobat reader updates which address the known flaws.

 

[webvan]

Maybe he knew about it, had dismissed it, but with TL making a nuisance of himself realized he wouldn't be able to sit on the info much longer...

 

[BotanyBay]

We're talking about .PDF's here, not "every" attachment. Yeah, never open a .EXE but a .PDF is basically a locked text document. Not to mention we are talking about the context of knowing who it came from and what it's about but not actually opening the document.

Anyway, bottom line here IMHO is Garmin is not looking at all professional in how this is being handled. Even if Lowe IS indeed a crook and all their claims about him are correct Vaughters and co. still look inept and out of touch. I'm very disappointed. And BTW, I've got a thread I started on here years ago entitled "Can Jonathan Vaughters save Pro Cycling" so don't think I'm just a hater. When I say I'm disappointed I'm being very sincere.

Ever hear of an "Interactive PDF"? Yes, you can create them in Adobe Indesign. That means executable code, essentially:

http://www.thedesigncubicle.com/2008/12/how-to-create-interactive-pdf-forms-to-impress-your-clients/

 

[BotanyBay]

Forget what Vaughters might have (or might not have noticed. What about friggin Prentice Steffen? HEL-LO, Steffen is the USPS doc that cried "doping foul" on the USPS squad after getting sacked. The two WORKED TOGETHER on USPS.

 

[this_is_edie]

Forget what Vaughters might have (or might not have noticed. What about friggin Prentice Steffen? HEL-LO, Steffen is the USPS doc that cried "doping foul" on the USPS squad after getting sacked. The two WORKED TOGETHER on USPS.

exactly what I said earlier. Steffen should have opened and read the pdf, that's his job.

 

[Juicy McDrip]

Here's an very interesting take on this, http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-and-comment/slipstream-more-questions-than-answers/

surprising to here cycle sport say anything critical of Vaughters.

It's surprising to hear ANYBODY being critical of Vaughters. Because currently, he is the White Knight. The Answer. The Cure to Cycling's ills.

JV is an example of Perception and Momentum vs. Reality. Simply stated, the bandwagon jumps on something or someone that seems to be above everything and have all the answers to today's problems.

Then the bandwagon turns once there is a weakness. Witness the swell developing against LA. Hero to Goat. And any other famous person with a hint of a problem has the same cycle. Sad, but it's the way the world watches, judges and feels good about their collective view.

JV knows that any "***** in the armor" could cause a similar swell. So, he's above it all, declaring White and others to be problematic.

Until the world sees JV as problematic. And we will. One article or "*****" at a time. It just takes time and some facts (preceived or real).

Momentum and Perception... Like his sideburns. Cool and different and better...for now, at least.

 

[Nearly]

.......
It is interesting that JV sacked White without talking to him when he "first found out" about the refereral. Why did JV automaticaly believe the word of TLowe? Especially if the result was a sacking? Sure White has since said it is true but how did JV know at the time?

Perhaps he did query him straight up (in which case at least both JV and White have been lying) but it would seem more likely that to JV the Lowe revelation may have intially been so shocking that it warranted a cloak & dagger investigation (to determine the extent of the problem and limit the risk of things going down the plughole). Presumably its findings were clear enough that when presented to, and not refuted by, White a preplanned termination and communication strategy could be implemented immediately.

 

[Juicy McDrip]

It's surprising to hear ANYBODY being critical of Vaughters. Because currently, he is the White Knight. The Answer. The Cure to Cycling's ills.

JV is an example of Perception and Momentum vs. Reality. Simply stated, the bandwagon jumps on something or someone that seems to be above everything and have all the answers to today's problems.

Then the bandwagon turns once there is a weakness. Witness the swell developing against LA. Hero to Goat. And any other famous person with a hint of a problem has the same cycle. Sad, but it's the way the world watches, judges and feels good about their collective view.

JV knows that any "***** in the armor" could cause a similar swell. So, he's above it all, declaring White and others to be problematic.

Until the world sees JV as problematic. And we will. One article or "*****" at a time. It just takes time and some facts (preceived or real).

Momentum and Perception... Like his sideburns. Cool and different and better...for now, at least.

Wow...the asterisked word (cyclingnews filter) rhymes with Rink. Didn't think it would be flagged. The word is part of the world's working vocabulary. And means a crack, or break. As quoted in the movie, There's Something about Mary..."First Ch**nk in the armor, Ted".

 

[Elagabalus]

Oh please, I would fire you for such a comment if you worked for me.

You search your e-mails for "Lowe" and then yes you OBVIOUSLY better open any attachments on the e-mails that come up. Otherwise you are not being thorough and display zero attention to detail. The fact that I have to explain this to you at all annoys me which is another reason why you're fired.

Yes, becuz' JV had nothing better to do than make a search for a two year old email attachment that he didn't know existed ....until TL told him.

It was probably still in bold type.

Come on, this kind of screw up happens every day in every office around the world. Let's not get ahead of ourselves ...

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

'...'It is interesting that JV sacked White without talking to him when he "first found out" about the refereral. Why did JV automaticaly believe the word of TLowe? Especially if the result was a sacking? Sure White has since said it is true but how did JV know at the time?

Perhaps Garmin found evidence in their records. In ]this article, JV claims they looked for evidence.

"VN: Is there any possibility that any other riders from the team also went to see this doctor?

JV: No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. We conducted a very thorough search of our server records and our phone records. Whitey has a team email account and a team phone, and there is absolutely zero evidence or anything that he ever referred anyone else to Del Moral."