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They certainly lit it up. Whether it played out exactly as they had in mind, I'm not sure, but Dan Martin saved the day.
Before the Tour they (Vaughters mainly) made it seem as if they were going to use multiple cards for GC, and thus play off their team strength to get on the podium or whatever. But they've effectively blown up all their GC guys except Dan Martin in the first two mountain stages.
Before the Tour they (Vaughters mainly) made it seem as if they were going to use multiple cards for GC, and thus play off their team strength to get on the podium or whatever. But they've effectively blown up all their GC guys except Dan Martin in the first two mountain stages.
Yeah. I'm a little bit disappointed. I wanted Garmin to have multiple GC options but now they have only one.
Funny thing that some people suggested that it should be Martin who would give up on GC and go for stage hunting or mountain classification. Now he has managed to win a stage and still be in contention for a good result in GC.
Poor season for Ryder so far. Illness during Giro, crash during Tour de Suisse and now he is far from his optimal shape in France. I doubt he will recover for Vuelta. Maybe he should focus now on Lombardia. Can't see another goal for him.
Danielson's plans were also unnecessarily compromised by Giro, where he neither could help Hejsedal nor ride on his own with success. One can imagine he could have a better season with likely podium in California and better shape for Tour de France instead. And after a strong spring and two GTs in row, he won't be able to ride strong Vuelta as well.
Talansky always seemed solid but I think he peaked too strongly for Paris-Nice this year and can't be that strong now. He seems to have some issues with his form since Romandie, and the final stage at Dauphine just brought some false hope, it seems.
TTT was quite strong suggestion that many guys in the team are not in their optimum shape.
Funny thing that some people suggested that it should be Martin who would give up on GC and go for stage hunting or mountain classification. Now he has managed to win a stage and still be in contention for a good result in GC.
Poor season for Ryder so far. Illness during Giro, crash during Tour de Suisse and now he is far from his optimal shape in France. I doubt he will recover for Vuelta. Maybe he should focus now on Lombardia. Can't see another goal for him.
Danielson's plans were also unnecessarily compromised by Giro, where he neither could help Hejsedal nor ride on his own with success. One can imagine he could have a better season with likely podium in California and better shape for Tour de France instead. And after a strong spring and two GTs in row, he won't be able to ride strong Vuelta as well.
Talansky always seemed solid but I think he peaked too strongly for Paris-Nice this year and can't be that strong now. He seems to have some issues with his form since Romandie, and the final stage at Dauphine just brought some false hope, it seems.
TTT was quite strong suggestion that many guys in the team are not in their optimum shape.
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Danielson seemed quite strong yesterday, but he burned all his matches on the first two or three climbs. Hesjedal... yeah, this season is starting to become a write-off.Anderis said:
Talansky is in quite good form, I think. But like he said yesterday, he can handle 1 or 2 climbs at threshold, not 5 of them. The Vuelta was only about the final climb on every stage, and let's get real, he was way off the pace of the best riders then as well.
Not a good race for Garmin so far. 
Dan Martin failed big time today and the team has not a single rider in top10 GC so far, which is some kind of a failure considering their roster.
Talansky is still in contention for top10, but if he doesn't manage to gain some time in the next 2 stages, it will be rather poor race for Garmin. I'm quite disappointed. I expected more from every single rider. Dan's stage win is perhaps the only bright point I can think of. Even if Talansky ends up in top10, he still disappointed me a bit being weaker rider than Fuglsang, Kwiatkowski or Ten Dam in the first two weeks.
Dan Martin failed big time today and the team has not a single rider in top10 GC so far, which is some kind of a failure considering their roster.Talansky is still in contention for top10, but if he doesn't manage to gain some time in the next 2 stages, it will be rather poor race for Garmin. I'm quite disappointed. I expected more from every single rider. Dan's stage win is perhaps the only bright point I can think of. Even if Talansky ends up in top10, he still disappointed me a bit being weaker rider than Fuglsang, Kwiatkowski or Ten Dam in the first two weeks.
Dan Martin just says it was on his worst days on a bike, thinks he might have picked something.
https://twitter.com/DanMartin86
https://twitter.com/DanMartin86
Anderis said:
Norman himself said that that he didn't want to become a pure tt rider, he would rather pursue a Career as sprinter or classics rider. He clearly hasn't got the experience and speed to win bunch sprints now, maybe in the future, but I doubt it. Btw this is his first season with focus on the road so I reckon he will have lots of room for improvement
I think this team should change it's name to Crashmin.
That's horrible. I'm struggling now with depression and suicidal thoughts and one of the very little things that I have any passion for, that was giving me something to look forward to, something that was allowing to forget me about everything for a moment, is starting to look like a bad joke and reason for a real frustration most of the time, not something to look forward to and to cheer for.
The amount of important races that have been ruined for Garmin by crashes and mechanical failures in recent years is just absurdly huge and I struggle to think of any other team that even came close to that:
- Martin's crash Giro 2014
- Talansky mechanical on the last climb of the mountain stage of Romandie 2014.
- Martin's crash at last turn in LBL 2014.
- Slagter's mechanical on stage 5 of Paris-Nice, he had a good shot of winning overall.
- Farrar's crash at Gent-Wevelgem 2014.
- Martin's crash at Vuelta 2013 (I don't even count Lombardia because he only lost 1 place there, so not a big loss)
- Van Summeren's mechanical on the crucial part of Paris-Roubaix 2013.
- Hesjedal getting ill at Giro, then crashing at Tour de Suisse and then again at Tour de France, ruining the whole 2013 season for him.
- Vande Velde retired from his last Tour de France (2013). Danielson also got involved in crash and is not fully fit for the rest of the race. Talansky got mechanical on one of the stages and lost some time.
Add some endless crashes from VdV from previous years and I could mention some even more. And that only counts key riders that had a shot for a good position in important races.
That's just too much to resist for a fan.
At this rate, Martin is going to beat Vande Velde's record for most GTs ruined by crashes.
That's horrible. I'm struggling now with depression and suicidal thoughts and one of the very little things that I have any passion for, that was giving me something to look forward to, something that was allowing to forget me about everything for a moment, is starting to look like a bad joke and reason for a real frustration most of the time, not something to look forward to and to cheer for.
The amount of important races that have been ruined for Garmin by crashes and mechanical failures in recent years is just absurdly huge and I struggle to think of any other team that even came close to that:
- Martin's crash Giro 2014
- Talansky mechanical on the last climb of the mountain stage of Romandie 2014.
- Martin's crash at last turn in LBL 2014.
- Slagter's mechanical on stage 5 of Paris-Nice, he had a good shot of winning overall.
- Farrar's crash at Gent-Wevelgem 2014.
- Martin's crash at Vuelta 2013 (I don't even count Lombardia because he only lost 1 place there, so not a big loss)
- Van Summeren's mechanical on the crucial part of Paris-Roubaix 2013.
- Hesjedal getting ill at Giro, then crashing at Tour de Suisse and then again at Tour de France, ruining the whole 2013 season for him.
- Vande Velde retired from his last Tour de France (2013). Danielson also got involved in crash and is not fully fit for the rest of the race. Talansky got mechanical on one of the stages and lost some time.
Add some endless crashes from VdV from previous years and I could mention some even more. And that only counts key riders that had a shot for a good position in important races.
That's just too much to resist for a fan.
At this rate, Martin is going to beat Vande Velde's record for most GTs ruined by crashes.
Anderis said:
Today was a bad luck but otherwise no surprise here. That's what happen when your team is bunch of pack fodders. The best teams are riding at the front to keep their riders out of the troubles. Simple as that.
Not really. While I agree the team could sometimes do more to avoid troubles, you can't have all teams riding at the front, and as I said earlier, I struggle to see any other team being hit by that many problems (you aren't going to tell me Garmin are the only team not riding at the front, are you?).Jancouver said:
Not only crashes, but also mechanical problems seem to appear often at the worst possible moment.
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Anderis said:
Take heart, maybe Martin will get to ride TdF instead, especially with it starting in Yorkshire. Maybe he'll be fresh and in good form and have a nice result.
As for the year of bad luck, maybe it's a sign from god for Vaughters to change his sideburns
Anderis said:
And not to mention their catastrophic 2012 TDF when Tyler Farrar went down in a bunch sprint and later went to the Argos bus to say "Just tell him, you don't do that to someone" and then on the road to Metz Tommy D crashed out and Johan V. Summeran managed to finish the stage in shreds.
Yeah. I still have the comment "Basically, the whole team crashed" in my head.bikeracer33 said:
But 2010 was no better. I believe all but 3 riders went down on a stage to Spa, Vande Velde was forced to abandon immediately, and Farrar, who had his best year of the career, rode a few stages injured before he decided to abandon. Luckily, Hesjedal and Dean were both able to have the race of their life and could rescure the Tour for the team a bit.I was very curious what would Hesjedal have done during TdF 2012, in the first couple of days he seemed even stronger than in the first week of Giro.
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If I recall correctly about the Metz Massacre, then the only one of the Armada who didn't crash was DZ who... chose a very good day to get in the breakaway!
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