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JV doing the right thing?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/garmin-transitions-to-co-operate-with-investigations
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/garmin-transitions-to-co-operate-with-investigations
python said:i cant tell anyone how to read the statement but i think people are reading either too much or too little and completely ignore what's between the lines.
ffs, it's a public statement and these things rarely contain substance.
jv is *responding* because he cant afford to stay silent with his clean propaganda, he is *liberating* his riders to tell the truth because he cant say anything else in public, he sounds generous *promising* his riders their jobs because he knows it's the 100% bs outside of his control if usada slaps a suspension on any of his riders.
the only thing worth seeing in that pile of garbage is that the matter is serious enough to warrant a public statement.
be sure, there is ongoing coordination within the team of what is ok to say and what is not. you will not read it in nyt.
I don't recall that happening.blackcat said:Vande Velde supposedly needs alot of time a training to reach form. He breaks his hip last Giro, then rides high into the Tour classement. Year before he said he could have gone with Peipoli, Cobo, Schleck in stage 10. He said he could have bridged with Kohl too. First stage that Kim Kirchen won, he threw down a massive attack with another Saunier rider. He was right in the mix with all the CERA riders. Then the massive recovery from injury last year. I dont buy it. He and Millar were target tested in the first week of 2008 Tour. These guys are not clean. Weasel words.
craig1985 said:I don't recall that happening.
Vande Velde of Team Garmin Chipotle launched his way up the classification with his attack at five kilometres out. He was joined by Riccò's main gun, Piepoli, for a move that lasted 3,800 metres. Vande Velde held on to finish 23 seconds back and is now fourth (at 44") on in the classification behind Schumacher.
"The attacked was planned," said Vande Velde, whose intentions were try to help team-mate Millar move into the yellow jersey. "My legs felt great, but with Piepoli I found myself a little out gunned." Millar lost time and now sits fifth overall, three seconds behind his team-mate Vande Velde.
theswordsman said:When the Landis story first broke, Vaughters said that he believed his team was 100% clean, and he would post all their test results to prove it.
But then Don Catlin, who runs Garmin's internal testing, read and reacted to the details Floyd gave in the ESPN article, and now the world knows that with blood infusion and EPO micro dosing nice looking values don't prove anything. They might be taking a good long look at the values now.
Right now I think this is the best we can expect from a team, whether they want to believe the problem is current or in the past.
yep, got it round the wrong way. Think Kirchen put an attack in and came back to the field adnd Ricco beats him and Evans in the sprint, without pulling out the actual results.Ferminal said:Does blackcat mean Ricco?
Kirchen won the TT (great CERA performance).
I seem to vaguely recall CVV putting down some sort of attack before the final ramp at Super Besse.
Edit: that was it.
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/tour08/?id=results/tour086
theswordsman said:When the Landis story first broke, Vaughters said that he believed his team was 100% clean, and he would post all their test results to prove it.
But then Don Catlin, who runs Garmin's internal testing, read and reacted to the details Floyd gave in the ESPN article, and now the world knows that with blood infusion and EPO micro dosing nice looking values don't prove anything. They might be taking a good long look at the values now.
Right now I think this is the best we can expect from a team, whether they want to believe the problem is current or in the past.
python said:i cant tell anyone how to read the statement but i think people are reading either too much or too little and completely ignore what's between the lines.
ffs, it's a public statement and these things rarely contain substance.
jv is *responding* because he cant afford to stay silent with his clean propaganda, he is *liberating* his riders to tell the truth because he cant say anything else in public, he sounds generous *promising* his riders their jobs because he knows it's the 100% bs outside of his control if usada slaps a suspension on any of his riders.
the only thing worth seeing in that pile of garbage is that the matter is serious enough to warrant a public statement.
be sure, there is ongoing coordination within the team of what is ok to say and what is not. you will not read it in nyt.
you could be right tff but we are just at the beginning of the story. yeah the circumstantial evidence is plentiful but we need something more substantive - like new doped samples from armstrong (see another post), money trail, hearsay cross-referencing with documented facts…Thoughtforfood said:My gut tells me that all that will ever come of this in the end is a story of how an angry, humiliated doper slung poo at everyone, and none of it stuck...and his team went down in flames also. "Floyd the Destroyer" will be the byline.
python said:you could be right tff but we are just at the beginning of the story. yeah the circumstantial evidence is plentiful but we need something more substantive - like new doped samples from armstrong (see another post), money trail, hearsay cross-referencing with documented facts…
i count on two things: novitzky’s success record in busting doping rings and floyd’s tenacity. yes, he is one hell of a perseverant dude as he came across during his trial . i don’t think he showed all his cards and he’s very seriously upset.
blackcat said:yep, got it round the wrong way. Think Kirchen put an attack in and came back to the field adnd Ricco beats him and Evans in the sprint, without pulling out the actual results.