GC Contenders in 2011

[The Hitch]

lol look at all these fanboys putting Contador in number 1.

Cadel beat Contador in the Tour. Cadel is better case closed.

Fanboys

some1 hasn't watched the giro . . .

www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLGtG_yQzo&feature=related

that alone is more impressive then anything evans did at the tour

Bizzarely the guy is talking about the difficulty of both races.

The truth is, finishing Gardeccia stage inside time limit > making it to Paris.

 

[The Hitch]

1. Contador
2. Evans
3. Nobody comes close

Umm Andy Schleck came pretty close to Evans in the Tour.

 

[Altitude]

1.contador
2.froome
3.cobo
4.evans
5.rolland

Lmao, nice avatar.

Rolland top 5? Bullsh!t

 

[airstream]

Yes, but this thread is about the riders at X particular race.

Evans might have defended successfully against Contador (Tour '11), but people are asking to compare him to Contador (Giro '11), at which point I'm afraid I have to come down saying Contador ahead. If each rider showed up with their form from their best GT, Contador slays the field using his Giro form. Not necessarily as easily as he actually did at the Giro, but he slays them nonetheless. He could have won by 10 minutes + if he'd wanted to.

I don't understand how to do such comparisons. It's a double hypothesis. But on Etna Contador got a vast reserve of self-confidence. I'm sure, Evans, the Schlecks and Basso couldn't have let him do the same on Luz-Ardiden. Feeling that he himself is possibly not stronger, he could have raced the other way. In such cases they often fear attacking and even thinking about attack. It could change the situation drastically...

 

[karlboss]

If everyone turned up in their best form of the year and raced I think the top 10 GC would be as follows without considering tactics.

C Froome
J Cobo
A Contador
C Evans
B Wiggins
A Schleck
D Menchov
S Sanchez
F Schleck
M Scarponi

Vuelta was "special" this year. Power to weight Cobo and Froome topped all comers.

 

[maltiv]

lol look at all these fanboys putting Contador in number 1.

Cadel beat Contador in the Tour. Cadel is better case closed.

Fanboys

Voeckler beat Samuel Sanchez in the Tour. Voeckler is the better GC rider, case closed

 

[roundabout]

What's the use of the ignore list when pointless ramblings still show up as quotes

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I don't understand how to do such comparisons. It's a double hypothesis. But on Etna Contador got a vast reserve of self-confidence. I'm sure, Evans, the Schlecks and Basso couldn't have let him do the same on Luz-Ardiden. Feeling that he himself is possibly not stronger, he could have raced the other way. In such cases they often fear attacking and even thinking about attack. It could change the situation drastically...

Yes, because the sub-par Contador of the 2010 Tour sure never thought about attacking... it's pretty likely that if Contador had the form he had at the Giro he would have gone on the attack and there wouldn't have been a damn thing they could do about it. But you can't hold that kind of form for months on end, and thus he wasn't able to duplicate that form at the Tour.

The guy broke away and gained time on a climb of less than a kilometre at 5-6% on a flat stage at the Giro. If he has the strength to attack, he will do it. No Schleck-style "wait until the last two days" fiascos with Contador.

 

[roundabout]

oh and comparisons with the Giro are largely pointless unless one thinks that Scarpony is the second best stage racer in the world

 

[jens_attacks]

Lmao, nice avatar.

Rolland top 5? Bullsh!t

we'll see in july then...too bad he will have to work for kern who is back in business
but really name me one single rider who breathes more nicely than pierre rolland on the mountains.

 

[The Hitch]

I'm sure, Evans, the Schlecks and Basso couldn't have let him do the same on Luz-Ardiden.

Yeah just like they didnt let an off form Contador go on Gap.

Oh wait

It took him 3km to drop everyone bar Cadel and Samu and they were next.

If weve seen anything these last 4 years its that what the Schlecks Evans and BAsso are willing to let Contador do doesnt really matter.

On a gentle gradient with lots of wind Contador totally cracked the climbers like Scarponi Nibali Anton Purito, that beat Cadel and Frank in last years gts.

The idea that these guys would somehow stop him on a climb like Luz Ardiden if he decided to go, is laughable.

 

[roundabout]

Yes, because the sub-par Contador of the 2010 Tour sure never thought about attacking... it's pretty likely that if Contador had the form he had at the Giro he would have gone on the attack and there wouldn't have been a damn thing they could do about it. But you can't hold that kind of form for months on end, and thus he wasn't able to duplicate that form at the Tour.

The guy broke away and gained time on a climb of less than a kilometre at 5-6% on a flat stage at the Giro. If he has the strength to attack, he will do it. No Schleck-style "wait until the last two days" fiascos with Contador.

The Contador of the 2010 Tour was mostly following Schleck around.

Oh, and Giro isn't the Tour. I'd say he won't be in the 2011 Giro form in the Tour next year. It's almost a certainty.

 

[Parrulo]

I don't understand how to do such comparisons. It's a double hypothesis. But on Etna Contador got a vast reserve of self-confidence. I'm sure, Evans, the Schlecks and Basso couldn't have let him do the same on Luz-Ardiden. Feeling that he himself is possibly not stronger, he could have raced the other way. In such cases they often fear attacking and even thinking about attack. It could change the situation drastically...

ya we get it contador is doped to the gills cept when he is racing in france no need to hint at that in every single post, try to come up with some better arguments

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

1 Contador
2 Evans
3 A. Schleck
4 Vino (in my dreams he win the Tour with 5+ min)
5-10 Nibali, froome, Wiggins, Cobo ++

 

[maltiv]

oh and comparisons with the Giro are largely pointless unless one thinks that Scarpony is the second best stage racer in the world

oh and comparisons with the TDF are laregely pointless unless one thinks that Voeckler is the 4th best stage racer in the world.

 

[The Hitch]

we'll see in july then...too bad he will have to work for kern who is back in business
but really name me one single rider who breathes more nicely than pierre rolland on the mountains.

Colombians probably.

Gadret was way more impressive than Rolland btw.

 

[spalco]

Oh, and Giro isn't the Tour. I'd say he won't be in the 2011 Giro form in the Tour next year. It's almost a certainty.

Why not?

...

 

[roundabout]

oh and comparisons with the TDF are laregely pointless unless one thinks that Voeckler is the 4th best stage racer in the world.

Voeckler is closer to being fourth than Scarpony is to being second.

I also forgot the stage in the Giro where Scarponi gained 4 minutes. Can you remind me which one that was...

 

[roundabout]

Why not?

...

because there's at least an effort made to keep the Tour within an acceptable level unlike the freakshow that was and maybe will still be the Giro

 

[jens_attacks]

Gadret was way more impressive than Rolland btw.

gadret was awesome but very far from rolland.rolland was at least in two mountain stages the strongest guy but he had to stay with voeckler.

 

[spalco]

because there's at least an effort made to keep the Tour within an acceptable level unlike the freakshow that was and maybe will still be the Giro

Hm. I see what you're saying, but I'm not convinced of that argument.

This is not objective, just my feelings, but imo there were more "strange" performances in the Tour this year than in the Giro.

 

[maltiv]

Voeckler is closer to being fourth than Scarpony is to being second.

I also forgot the stage in the Giro where Scarponi gained 4 minutes. Can you remind me which one that was...

Voeckler had already lost 3 minutes at that point so in reality he only gained 1 minute. Scarponi was 4th in the Giro in 2010 too. Evans was 5th and Scarponi outclimbed him massively in the third week...

But whatever, I find some people's short-term memory quite hilarious. 8 months ago Contador was still the most dominant stage racer of this century and now he's no longer rated just because he couldn't pull of the Giro-Tour double while being injured in the latter.

 

[airstream]

ya we get it contador is doped to the gills cept when he is racing in france no need to hint at that in every single post, try to come up with some better arguments

I'm not so good either at cycling or English to explain things in terms of doping additionally, relate the effect of doping on the race and try to be objective. I'm just laying out my opinion. My thought is only that rivalry in the Tour is tougher and nodoby will revel in his own superiority as it happened in the Giro. Naturally, you as Contador fan dont like my position.

 

[The Hitch]

Voeckler had already lost 3 minutes at that point so in reality he only gained 1 minute. Scarponi was 4th in the Giro in 2010 too. Evans was 5th and Scarponi outclimbed him massively in the third week...

But whatever, I find some people's short-term memory quite hilarious. 8 months ago Contador was still the most dominant stage racer of this century and now he's no longer rated just because he couldn't pull of the Giro-Tour double while being injured in the latter.

Good post.

 

[The Hitch]

gadret was awesome but very far from rolland.rolland was at least in two mountain stages the strongest guy but he had to stay with voeckler.

What? Which stages would those be. Finishing with the pack does not suddenly mean he could have taken on Samu and Vanendert up top.

I'm not so good neither at cycling nor English to explain things in terms of doping additionally, relate the effect of doping on the race and try to be objective. .

doping? Wtf are you talking about.

1st of all if you want to talk about doping go to the correct subforum. 2nd of all, if you are going to make accusations, make them a lot more clearly than that.

And stop telling everyone they are a Contador fan. The first 50 times, we get it. But now its just annoying.;