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yaco

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Don't blame it all on the Hammer Series - Eleven WT teams are part of the Velon group, so that means the other 7 WT squads chose not to ride the Tour of Luxembourg - Tour of Slovenie is at the same time as Tour De Suisse but has attracted 9 WT teams - Some WT teams think Slovenie is a good lead up to the TDF.
 
Valv.Piti

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yaco said:
Don't blame it all on the Hammer Series - Eleven WT teams are part of the Velon group, so that means the other 7 WT squads chose not to ride the Tour of Luxembourg - Tour of Slovenie is at the same time as Tour De Suisse but has attracted 9 WT teams - Some WT teams think Slovenie is a good lead up to the TDF.
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Thing is Dauphine is also starting at that same time so that complicates things further, making Tour of Luxembourg the 3rd most 'important' race and basically rendering the race close to useless, at least in terms of WT teams which is what people care about. Especially in this day and age where the WT are light years ahead of Pro Conti teams.

But I don't know, earlier I argued that if the teams prefer to ride other races, then fine, race what you find the most attractive. Liberalism and all. But I can see why this is problematic, same stuff with Belgium Tour altho QS still should be able to field a team for that Tour.. Good thing is I haven't noticed one post about what actually happened in the Hammer Series, read an article or really read anything on Twitter. People didn't seem to care, but that probably also has something to do with the Giro.
 
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So we all agree that the tour of slovenie is as bad as the hammer series as it kills traditional races? Great

I agree with Valv.Piti though that the hammer series wasn't exactly successful this time. Scheduling that race at the same time as the last three stages of the giro might be the worst decision in the history of decisions.Maybe it aimed too high as it's only purpose was to kill the giro :eek:
 
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Valv.Piti

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Gigs_98 said:
So we all agree that the tour of slovenie is as bad as the hammer series as it kills traditional races? Great

I agree with Valv.Piti though that the hammer series wasn't exactly successful this time. Scheduling that race at the same time as the last three stages of the giro might be the worst decision in the history of decisions.Maybe it aimed too high as it's only purpose was to kill the giro :eek:
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What races are Slovenie killing tho?
 
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You know what Velon should do if they want to organize events? Hill climbs with mass start, like they do in Japan, with the pros, go to places where there are a lot of tourists durning the summer, you could do a series of events, Carpegna near rimini, something like Tre Cime in the dolomites, kitzbüheler horn or Rettenbachferner in Austria and so on (Switzerland, France and Spain).
You could have 5 or 6 of those hill climbs, maybe you can cooperate with some ski stations that want to use cycling to promote themselfs, have a points system and a jersey for the leader in that classification and in the end you crown a hill climb king.
If you go to places where there are lots of tourists in the summer you could actually attract new fans and seeing high level riders pretty much flying uphill on a hard climb is pretty cool.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
So we all agree that the tour of slovenie is as bad as the hammer series as it kills traditional races?
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I wasn't aware the Tour of Slovenia was enticing WT teams to participate with massive paychecks.

Mayomaniac said:
You know what Velon should do if they want to organize events? Hill climbs with mass start, like they do in Japan, with the pros, go to places where there are a lot of tourists durning the summer, you could do a series of events, Carpegna near rimini, something like Tre Cime in the dolomites, kitzbüheler horn or Rettenbachferner in Austria and so on (Switzerland, France and Spain).
You could have 5 or 6 of those raceshill climbs, maybe you can cooperate with some ski stations that want to use cycling to promote themselfs, have a points system and a jersey for the leader in that classification and in the end you crown a hill climb king.
If you go to places where there are lots of tourists in the summer you could actually attract new fans and seeing high level riders pretty much flying uphill on a hard climb is pretty cool.
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Those races used to be popular in Switzerland and Italy with lots of pro teams, but they all died out in the 80s and 90s
 
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GuyIncognito said:
Gigs_98 said:
So we all agree that the tour of slovenie is as bad as the hammer series as it kills traditional races?
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I wasn't aware the Tour of Slovenia was enticing WT teams to participate with massive paychecks.

Mayomaniac said:
You know what Velon should do if they want to organize events? Hill climbs with mass start, like they do in Japan, with the pros, go to places where there are a lot of tourists durning the summer, you could do a series of events, Carpegna near rimini, something like Tre Cime in the dolomites, kitzbüheler horn or Rettenbachferner in Austria and so on (Switzerland, France and Spain).
You could have 5 or 6 of those raceshill climbs, maybe you can cooperate with some ski stations that want to use cycling to promote themselfs, have a points system and a jersey for the leader in that classification and in the end you crown a hill climb king.
If you go to places where there are lots of tourists in the summer you could actually attract new fans and seeing high level riders pretty much flying uphill on a hard climb is pretty cool.
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Those races used to be popular in Switzerland and Italy with lots of pro teams, but they all died out in the 80s and 90s
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Yes, but if you go to places where there are lots of tourists durning the summer it could actually work, it's not that expensive, you can co-promote with some ski stations, and you have to potential to attract new fans.
It would be way more interesting to watch than the Hammer series and we don't have those hill climbs with mass start on the WT calender or in other big races, so it would be something unique that would stand out.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
yaco said:
Update. Mitchelton Scott bossed the Hammer Stavenger winning the Sprint day, climbing day and the TTT. The most scary thing is they showed what damage can be inflicted in TTT.
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Thanks, but its very hard to care actually...
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The relevance for me is the damage that was done in the 49km TTT - The TTT may cause carnage at the TDF.
 
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Tour of Austria 2018. Moar climbs.

I particularly like stage 6 in Styria.

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Valv.Piti

Valv.Piti

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Its funny that people think that 100 km of flat and then a finishing climb will equate to 'explosive' racing.

Its nice when climbs are spread throughout the stage, but not when everyone are as fresh as daisies in the bottom of the last climb. That often results in more control on the climbs as the domestiques will last for longer. Well, at least short stages with mountains spread throughout is much better and have produced some great stages over the years, but its overkill atm.
 
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About the only thing I've seen on the Hammer Series outside of this forum is that the pro Conti team, Caja Rural, is very happy about the race because they were invited and it gives them more races on their calendar. They aren't exactly getting invites to the other races that compete with the Hammer Series so I can see why they would be happy about this.
 
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The Tour of Britain route was announced today:

Stage 1: Pembrey Country Park - Newport (175km)
Stage 2: Cranbrook - Barnstaple (174km)
Stage 3: Bristol - Bristol (125km)
Stage 4: Nuneaton - Leamington Spa (183km)
Stage 5: Cockermouth - Whinlatter Pass (14km) (TTT)
Stage 6: Barrow in Furness - Whinlatter Pass (169km)
Stage 7: West Bridgford - Mansfield (223km)
Stage 8: London - London (77km) (circuit race)
 
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lemon cheese cake said:
The Tour of Britain route was announced today:

Stage 1: Pembrey Country Park - Newport (175km)
Stage 2: Cranbrook - Barnstaple (174km)
Stage 3: Bristol - Bristol (125km)
Stage 4: Nuneaton - Leamington Spa (183km)
Stage 5: Cockermouth - Whinlatter Pass (14km) (TTT)
Stage 6: Barrow in Furness - Whinlatter Pass (169km)
Stage 7: West Bridgford - Mansfield (223km)
Stage 8: London - London (77km) (circuit race)
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:mad: What a bag of ****.

I demand the Bealach Na Ba - with a descent finish to Applecross :cool:
 
Gigs_98

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O my, the route for Tour de Suisse is truly, truly awful. When you thought the Dauphine was terrible and then you see Suisse outshitting them by a mile. There's no more than 10 useful kilometers for non-TT'ers.
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It's not great but it could be a lot worse. I prefer it over the "Let's just put hard mtf's at the end of three stages and call it good stage design" routes from previous years. This time climbers might have to get creative as both mtf's aren't super hard. The big problem I have is that the last mtf is by far the worst designed stage and the only thing you can do there to gain a lot of time is to attack early on the final climb before the flat section and I doubt someone will do that. I know it's geographically not possible but if you could swap stage 6 and stage 7 I would actually like this route, as stage 7 gives gc riders the chance to go for a suicidal/ambush attack.
Let's not forget, the last time the tour de suisse had a route like this without many chances and seemingly suiting TT specialists was also the last time the crucial attack of the race was made from far out on a penultimate climb.
 
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