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CraZyCaLL

CraZyCaLL

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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Pre-selectie Argos-Shimano voor Tour de France 2012
Marcel Kittel, Simon Geschke, Johannes Fröhlinger, Patrick Gretsch, Tom Veelers, Koen de Kort, Albert Timmer, Roy Curvers, Tom Stamsnijder, Alexandre Geniez, Yann Huguet, Thierry Hupond, Mathieu Sprick en Bert De Backer.

The reason for not selecting Degenkolb is that he had a very busy spring with a lot of races, and the Argos management feel that the Tour would be too much for a 22-year old combined with all the races he already did. They want to rest him up and then he will ride the Vuelta and possibly the Olympics
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No Kluge as well? Strange, he looks like perfect leadout man for Kittel
 
El Pistolero

El Pistolero

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Kittel has been disappointing this season. Probably won't do anything at the Tour. Unless he can turn it around in time... We'll see at the Ster ZLM Toer.
 
Dekker_Tifosi

Dekker_Tifosi

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El Pistolero said:
Kittel has been disappointing this season. Probably won't do anything at the Tour. Unless he can turn it around in time... We'll see at the Ster ZLM Toer.
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Yeah, seen that a lot with young riders. Fantastic 1st year and bad 2nd year. Eventually it'll even out and they will get back to winning.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Yeah, seen that a lot with young riders. Fantastic 1st year and bad 2nd year. Eventually it'll even out and they will get back to winning.
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I wouldn't call it a "bad year". He won stages in Oman, Etoile de Bessèges, Driedaagse de Panne and won the Scheldeprijs.

There were no opportunities for sprinters in Paris-Nice, so the only remaining races where he didn't deliver the expected results were Tour of Turkey and Tour of California.

His season isn't any worse than Greipel's last year - and he ended up winning a sprint in the tour.
 
El Pistolero

El Pistolero

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I know, I meant the second part of the season though. He got dropped on every little hill, doesn't look good for the Tour at all... He really needs to lose some weight.

He wasn't all that good at Etoile des Besseges by the way. Lost a couple of sprints against a weak field. I expected an improvement over last year, but that wasn't really the case. I think he needs to finish a Grand Tour to improve further. Was stupid of Shimano to take him out of the Vuelta in my opinion.
 
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El Pistolero said:
I expected an improvement over last year, but that wasn't really the case. I think he needs to finish a Grand Tour to improve further.
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that's true, he is very limited to more or less completely flat stages this year

but at these year's tour there are three of these stage in the first week, so we will see very soon what he is capable to do
 
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No Tour for Horner?

Neal Rogers at Velonews is hinting that Horner won't do the Tour (on Facebook). Doesn't say why. Suze Sonye replied that he shouldn't be sharing Horner's medical problems on social media. If he did, I missed it, but she seemed to think so. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
 
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Neal Rogers at Velonews is hinting that Horner won't do the Tour (on Facebook). Doesn't say why. Suze Sonye replied that he shouldn't be sharing Horner's medical problems on social media. If he did, I missed it, but she seemed to think so. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
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Yes he 100% isn't going. RSNT have released there provisional roster and Horner is not on it. Don't know why though.
 
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Neal Rogers at Velonews is hinting that Horner won't do the Tour (on Facebook). Doesn't say why. Suze Sonye replied that he shouldn't be sharing Horner's medical problems on social media. If he did, I missed it, but she seemed to think so. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
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Horner is definitely not doing the Tour he wasnt named in RSNT's provisional squad for the Tour.
 
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No Degenkolb means even more pressure for Kittel:eek: He's already been looking stressed a lot of the time this year.
 
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Horner

This is pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if JB has decided to try to beat Contador at La Vuelta by using Horner there. Maybe he figures Contador won't be at full tilt, and Horner will be ultra motivated? I think JB has written off the Tour, so why spend good money chasing bad? Besides, Chris seems to like those Spanish races. Just a thought.
 
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There were two sprint stages, and both times he flatted in the final kilometers.
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OK, I was just going by results. I see he finished in decent groups on mountain stages too.
 
Dedelou

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climbing stages in a GT

I wondered many times it there is a site on the internet where the total amount of climbing for any grand tour is recorded. I often hear about the KM and the % but rarely about the cumulated numbers stage after stage.. Anybody know who keeps track of that?
 
jens_attacks

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Dedelou said:
I wondered many times it there is a site on the internet where the total amount of climbing for any grand tour is recorded. I often hear about the KM and the % but rarely about the cumulated numbers stage after stage.. Anybody know who keeps track of that?
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i'm interested in that too....i was bored one day and given that giro profiles are very readable when it comes to this....


2005 Giro d'Italia
3440,1 km - dislivello 34306 m-a.s.=37.62 km/h

2006 Giro d'Italia
3510,2 km - dislivello - 33550 m -a.s.=38.34 km/h

2012 Giro d'Italia
3502,1 km - dislivello 38920 m-a.s.=38.21 km/h

i'm curious about vuelta because there are stages with absolute no flat there,so you can't figure that by reading the profile map...only from the riders data's...
anyway giro must be the king though...to climb the everest more than 4 times in 3 weeks it's not an easy task...
 
Dedelou

Dedelou

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Jens said "'m interested in that too....i was bored one day and given that giro profiles are very readable when it comes to this...."
Did you total it yourself or did you get the figures from a site? (thanks by the way)
I am sure it varies each years but I always wondered what would be the actual difference between the three races.
 
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Actually I remember that this year Tour's has most climbing out of all 3 GT surprisingly. Someone posted that info few months ago. Tour had most climbing, but as you know it doesn't have to be tough to be called 'climbing'.
 
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jens_attacks

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Dedelou said:
Jens said "'m interested in that too....i was bored one day and given that giro profiles are very readable when it comes to this...."
Did you total it yourself or did you get the figures from a site? (thanks by the way)
I am sure it varies each years but I always wondered what would be the actual difference between the three races.
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myself,from the profiles maps so it's not 100% accurate
the tour profile maps are pretty much crrap so you can't figure nothing from those
i really doubt tdf has more climbing meters,the mountain stages maybe,but italy and spain has climbing everywhere,rarely you can find a flat stage,france is different in that aspect.
 
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