Gent-Wevelgem 2012

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Oct 17, 2010
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King Of The Mountain's said:
ha ha good 1 pal some r sad i even said id put it in my sig i cant spell or punctuate properly stop using that against me man you all get every thing i mean

A lot of people here (including myself) don't have English as their first language, so it's only fair to give some room for mistakes. But writting in text language and refusing to use punctuation is a different thing altogether.

This is a Forum. I think we all benefit if we can understand each other and voice/discuss our opinions. Right now I'm in no position to discuss your posts, because I fail to understand them in the first place.

Anyway. Oscarito for the win.
 
Mar 13, 2012
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canyonball said:
A lot of people here (including myself) don't have English as their first language, so it's only fair to give some room for mistakes. But writting in text language and refusing to use pontuaction is a different thing altogether.

This is a Forum. I think we all benefit if we can understand each other and voice/discuss our opinions. Right now I'm in no position to discuss your posts, because I fail to understand them in the first place.

Anyway. Oscarito for the win.

it's hard to explain but i dont refuse dude,im going to make much more of an effort it's just frustrating because you dont understand,I keep getting stick ill just not comment instead.
 
Oct 17, 2010
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King Of The Mountain's said:
it's hard to explain but i dont refuse dude,im going to make much more of an effort it's just frustrating because you dont understand,I keep getting stick ill just not comment instead.

Ok. I understand you have your reasons, whatever they are. But look. You've wrote an intelligible post this time. You CAN do it. So why not keep that up? (It's a rethorical question, I gave my opinion already I won't be bothering you again).

Cheers
 
King Of The Mountain's said:
How long are the cobbles before the finish can the sprinter's survive if so cav will have good chance if similar to kurrne

There's a fair way in, but it's not as typically a sprinter's race as Kuurne; the comment of it being a 'sprinter's classic' at the start is a bit of a misnomer; it's not Paris-Tours or anything, but sprinters can hold on. However, this edition is both longer and harder; they've been trying to up the distance and increase the difficulty for a few years now, as it has historically been about little more than which sprinter could get over the Kemmelberg best.

They've added the two approaches to Mont Cassel (which they're calling the Casselberg, the same as the Quatre Jours de Dunkerque uses "Mont Kemmel" instead of the Kemmelberg), the usual spot of the queen stage of the Quatre Jours de Dunkerque.

The first approach (the main one) is fairly long but shallow, with a max gradient of 7%. More info on the climb here. It looks to me like the second ascent is this one, though it may also, if we're lucky, be this one, which is much steeper (max 19%), but isn't cobbled until the town square.

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Last year's was won by Boonen in a sprint of a group of around 40-50.
2010's was won by Eisel from a group of 6, with Iglinsky behind, then another small group, then the bunch 3'30 down.
2009's was won by Boasson Hagen in a 2-up sprint with Kuschynski, with a chasing group a minute back, Koldo Fernández on his own (a Euskaltel rider in the top 10 of a cobbled classic!!!), then the bunch at 2'14".
2008's was won by Freire from a bunch of 75.
2007's was won by Burghardt, who beat a chasing group of Hammond, Ventoso, Freire and Mengin, with the bunch at 15"
2006's was won by Hushovd from a bunch of about 40.
2005's was won by Mattan just ahead of Flecha, a small chase group with Cancellara and Hushovd and the bunch at 18".
2004's was won by Boonen from a group of 25.
2003's was won by Klier in a three-up agains Vogels and Boonen. Ongarato, Knaven and Belohscoviks trailed behind, a chase group with Museeuw was a minute back and the bunch four minutes down.
2002's was the famous one where Mario Cipollini soloed across to a small group and beat them in the sprint with the next chase group (with Boonen and Zabel) a minute and a half down.

Bearing in mind that apart from 2008 Gent-Wevelgem has had a maximum of about 50 riders coming in to the finish together, and that they've made it longer and included more bergs since then, I'd say Flecha, or the two guys on the team who've won this race in the last three years are all better bets for Sky than Cavendish. Sure, Cavendish is a weapon in the event it goes to a big sprint, but they don't want to waste any engines on carrying him if Eisel, EBH or Flecha are feeling good.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Sure, Cavendish is a weapon in the event it goes to a big sprint, but they don't want to waste any engines on carrying him if Eisel, EBH or Flecha are feeling good.

I really hope that Sky dont try and ride this like a flat GT stage. Use Cav if it comes to a sprint but they have riders who can go with the attacks when people try to force a selection.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
There's a fair way in, but it's not as typically a sprinter's race as Kuurne; the comment of it being a 'sprinter's classic' at the start is a bit of a misnomer; it's not Paris-Tours or anything, but sprinters can hold on. However, this edition is both longer and harder; they've been trying to up the distance and increase the difficulty for a few years now, as it has historically been about little more than which sprinter could get over the Kemmelberg best.

There aren't as many categorized climbs as last year, so I'm not sure it's harder, actually. It's longer, but other than that, maybe not quite as hard.
 
Jul 24, 2010
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El Pistolero said:
100% sure they're going to ride for Cavendish. Wasn't Sky the best squad for the cobbles by the way?

Currently riding without Flecha, Thomas, Hayman.

And already have 1st in KBK, and 3rd at E3.
 
Jul 16, 2010
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hatcher said:
Currently riding without Flecha, Thomas, Hayman.

And already have 1st in KBK, and 3rd at E3.

Lol, that's pretty weak for the best cobbled squad don't you think? Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne is barely worth being called a cobbled classic and they were mostly invisible during the E3 except for Eisel in the last kms.

Flecha's fall is very unfortunate, I'll give you that. What's Thomas' excuse by the way?
 
Jul 24, 2010
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El Pistolero said:
Lol, that's pretty weak for the best cobbled squad don't you think? Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne is barely worth being called a cobbled classic and they were mostly invisible during the E3 except for Eisel in the last kms.

1st and 3rd after three cobble races is weak? Currently riding without 3 of their 4 best cobbled riders?

You really want to stick with this point?
 
Jul 16, 2010
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Yes, Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne is not a cobbled classic as well. It's a sprinters race. Is the Scheldeprijs also a cobbled classic? They'll get their second classic win there if that's true ;)

And yeah, I remain with my point: they were never the best squad for the cobbled classics this year. I didn't say they were crap tho ;) Which you seem to think?
 
Jul 24, 2010
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El Pistolero said:
Yes, Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne is not a cobbled classic as well. It's a sprinters race. Is the Scheldeprijs also a cobbled classic? They'll get their second classic win there if that's true ;)

And yeah, I remain with my point: they were never the best squad for the cobbled classics this year. I didn't say they were crap tho ;) Which you seem to think?

No, but you do seem to be trying to make the point that they've failed. 1st at KBK with their cobbled squad, 3rd at Omloop, 3rd at E3.

If they had the full squad of Flecha, EBH, Thomas, Hayman, Eisel, Stannard, Hunt, Barry then yes, they'd be as good a squad as any. Unfortunately, Thomas is on the track, Barry hasn't raced in weeks, Hayman didn't ride yesterday, and Flecha won't be back until Flanders due to hand injury.

The idea that they have failed is bizarre at best.
 
Apr 10, 2011
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El Pistolero said:
100% sure they're going to ride for Cavendish. Wasn't Sky the best squad for the cobbles by the way?

No ? Thomas,Flecha, Barry out. With them in they would be one of the best. Without them - no. Even Hayman is sick. What's your point Pisti ?:confused:
 
Apr 10, 2011
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El Pistolero said:
Is Barry out? Damn, there goes their chances for the Ronde van Vlaanderen. :(

He's a great domestique, would have helped a lot. Literally you troll attempts are **** :eek: ;)
 
Jul 16, 2010
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spalco said:
Any live pictures from the race at all today?

eta: ah, it's tomorrow, I'm a dumbass. :D

I think you can watch a livestream from Sporza. Unless if it's geo restricted of course, but I don't think the E3 was restricted yesterday. Or do you want an English feed? ES ain't showing this as far as I know.
 
Nah, I can usually find a stream if there is one, and I don't necessarily need an English one, I was just confused because I couldn't find anything right now, when it should already be possible at 15:00. ;)
 
Jul 16, 2010
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spalco said:
Nah, I can usually find a stream if there is one, and I don't necessarily need an English one, I was just confused because I couldn't find anything right now, when it should already be possible at 15:00. ;)

Ow yeah lol. It's for the better though, if it was today a lot big guns would decide to skip it.

Looking forward to it. Will the sprinters make it or not? That's the question on everybody's mind.
 
Jul 26, 2011
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CobbleStoner said:
OPQS dominates, Sky, Garmin, and GE pull it together at the end, BMC fails and Demare gets his first big win

I want this just so I can hear Michel Wuyts say "Démare demarreert!" twenty times.

Also looking forward to "Froome vroom vroom" in July.
 

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