Giro 2018 Route Rumours

[amih77]

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is jerusalem confirmed? that's pretty crazy

יאָ, איך האָב ליב צו זען, אַ גרויסע וועלאָסיפעד ראַסע אין ישׂראל, אָבער דער דזשיראָ דיטאַליע? איך בין נישט אזוי זיכער. עס איז בעסער, אַ נײַע ראַסע צו האָבן, נאָר אין ישׂראל.

Edit: lol, left align on the second line...

99% of Israelis don't speak Yiddish...

 

[Red Rick]

I'm starting to think LS speaks about 150 language, but then I'll probably be underestimating it still

 

[hrotha]

Oh, apparently Yiddish is easier to read than I thought, once you figure out one or two things about the spelling! Most of that could actually pass for transliterated German.

 

[El Pistolero]

Should have gone to Japan instead of the cesspool that is Israel.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Oh, apparently Yiddish is easier to read than I thought, once you figure out one or two things about the spelling! Most of that could actually pass for transliterated German.

So according to lexilogs.com what LS wrote means "yo, ikh hob lib tsu zen, a groyse velosifed rase in ysrl, ober der dzhiro ditalie? ikh bin nisht zoy zikher. es iz beser, a naye rase tsu hobn, nor in ysrl." in latin latters. That basically sound like a mixture of some weird german accents. Translating it word by word to German that would probably mean "Ja, ich habe Liebe zu sehen ein großes Radrennen in Israel, aber der Giro d'Italia? Ich bin nicht so sicher. Es ist besser ein neues Rennen zu haben in Israel." The grammar is a bit off, but it's definitely understandable. In English that would mean "Yes, I would love to see a big cycling race in Israel, but the Giro d'Italia? I'm not sure. It's better to have a new race in Israel."
Hope I got that more or less right

 

[hrotha]

Oh, right, that's a qamatz under most of those letters, not a patakh. It does make things much less German-like indeed. Maybe I should get my eyes checked.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The "ysrl" is because the word for Israel is a loshn-koydesh element, so retains the Hebrew spelling. This is a common feature of Yiddish, hence why you see things like לשון "loshn". The biggest issue with the spelling (other than trying to memorize the loshn-koydesh words' spellings, especially where letters such as ת, ח and שׂ are concerned as they do not appear in Germanic, Loez or Slavic words) is the perennial silent aleph to differentiate words where י and ו are initial vowels from those where they are initial semivowels. Gigs, there are certain grammatical differences between Yiddish and German owing to their divergence in MHG times. There is also a bigger wordstock owing to the fusion nature of the language, allowing for real wordplay based on choice of words from different elements making up the language; I have forgotten a fair amount of the wordstock I learned, so the Germanic element is easiest for me to recourse to owing to my familiarity with German. A real Yiddish-speaker could give you a much richer way of expressing the same thoughts.

 

[Tonton]

So far, this route has similarities to that of '17.

Any rumors wrt stages 8-9?

Indeed, just much better!

'could be...Sicily much better, and if the stages 8-9 are better than '17, Blockhaus was cool but that was it for 8-9, it would balance the course, not get it so backloaded.

I hate an ITT after rest day tho'...why not get a long flat sprint stage and the contenders get the juices flowing?

Afraid Giropino will suffer again?

No need to worry about that, seeing as Pinot won't be there:

http://www.sport365.fr/cyclisme-tour-de-france-fdj-madiot-nenverra-plus-pinot-giro-4849081.html

Tibopino's contract will expire at the end of '18...if Madiot wants him after that, Giro'19 will be not-negotiable. Looking this year's Tour, Pinot in his Giro form would have been on the podium. The TTT will help too. Damn...I like when Thibaut races in Italy.

Having said that and to be back on topic, I'm not ready to be jumping for joy about the upcoming Giro just yet. The stages 8-9 have to be more than what the Blockhaus was this year to open things up a little bit. I like three weeks of racing, not two, not one and a half. It's back-loaded right now.

 

[Eshnar]

Draft updated. If the last mountain stage is really in Aosta I would drop Rome tbh. The transfer would be too long.


1-3 Israel

4 Catania-Caltagirone
5 Agrigento-Santa Ninfa(Valle del Belice)
6 Caltanissetta-Etna(Osservatorio Astrofisico)
7 ??? - Praia a Mare?
8 ???
9 ???

10 ??? - Gualdo Tadino
11 Fano - Iesi OR Rimini - S.Marino (both ITT)
12 ???
13 ??? - Vittorio Veneto
14 S.Vendemiano - Zoncolan
15 Somewhere in the Dolomites

16 Trento - Rovereto ITT
17 ???
18 ??? - Prato Nevoso (or surroundings)
19 Busca - Monte Jafferau
20 Susa - Cervinia (or somewhere else in Aosta valley)
21 ??? - Milano or Roma

 

[Red Rick]

Weren't the rumors during this years Giro that the final day ITT would be there to stay for a while?

 

[Eshnar]

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Weren't the rumors during this years Giro that the final day ITT would be there to stay for a while?

yes. But if a ITT on stage 16 is pretty much confirmed, my take is that stage 21 will be a road stage.

 

[Red Rick]

So what mountains could we get between the Etna and the Zoncolan? My take is stage 17 would be a transition stage?

 

[Eshnar]

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So what mountains could we get between the Etna and the Zoncolan? My take is stage 17 would be a transition stage?

The stage to Gualdo Tadino is rumoured to end on a climb above the town. 5km at 9% or so. The stage could potentially feature other climbs too. Stage 9 will surely be a mountain stage as well. People said Terminillo, as always, but we'll see.
Stage 17 will be a transition stage if the third week actually is as rumoured, yes.

 

[Red Rick]

So you'd get the Etna MTF, 2 Apennines stages, and possibly 5 stages in the Alps and Dolomites? Make that last stage an ITT, make sure the intermediary and hilly stages are good and we have a potentially superb route on our hands.

Are there rumors on the length of the first ITT?

 

[Valv.Piti]

MTFs on Cervinia and Prato Nevoso are kinda meh tho, but I guess it can work if the stage up until the final climb is good. Must admit it looks very good so far. The stages in Isreal, prologue/TTT + 2 sprinter stages?

 

[Red Rick]

Finish at the Dead Sea for lowest every GT finish?

 

[Eshnar]

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So you'd get the Etna MTF, 2 Apennines stages, and possibly 5 stages in the Alps and Dolomites? Make that last stage an ITT, make sure the intermediary and hilly stages are good and we have a potentially superb route on our hands.

Are there rumors on the length of the first ITT?

no, it's been some time I haven't heard anything about the first ITT. tbh if stage 16 was longer I would even think that one would be the only real ITT. In any case I don't expect more than 30-40 km, considering there should also be a prologue. So my take is that it will be the S.Marino option, 35ish km with hilly finish.

 

[gregrowlerson]

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Weren't the rumors during this years Giro that the final day ITT would be there to stay for a while?

Yes, THREE individual time trials please

 

[Nirvana]

San Marino will be a sort of MTT if they go up to Monte Titano finishing in San Marino City.

Anyway i'd prefer an ITT in the last day rather than the "passerella", the sprinters are already gone after second week.

 

[Eshnar]

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San Marino will be a sort of MTT if they go up to Monte Titano finishing in San Marino City.

Anyway i'd prefer an ITT in the last day rather than the "passerella", the sprinters are already gone after second week.

personally my favourite option is a very short ITT. Something like Rome 2009 or Verona 2010.

 

[yaco]

Weekends should always be exciting stage and maybe a parade stage on the final Sunday - ITT's are not good viewing - They should never be on weekends.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Weekends should always be exciting stage and maybe a parade stage on the final Sunday - ITT's are not good viewing - They should never be on weekends.

Can you stop posting this same post over and over again? Time trials are sure as hell more interesting than a parade stage anyways.

 

[Nirvana]

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San Marino will be a sort of MTT if they go up to Monte Titano finishing in San Marino City.

Anyway i'd prefer an ITT in the last day rather than the "passerella", the sprinters are already gone after second week.

personally my favourite option is a very short ITT. Something like Rome 2009 or Verona 2010.

In 2009 was a good choice a short ITT because we had also the 60 kms one of the Cinque Terre, with a shorter second week ITT like this year it's not enough.
Anyway looking at the rumors for 2018 i think will be a TTT in Israel and two ITT around 30 kms.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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The stages in Isreal, prologue/TTT + 2 sprinter stages?

Pretty much. Original news release mentioned a TT, whereas a TTT is usually specified.

Based on the info from about a month ago it would look like this:

1. Jerusalem short ITT or prologue
2. ??? - ??? (south of Jerusalem, apparently)
3. ??? - probably Tel Aviv

Stage 2 could be a Dead Sea finish as Red Rick speculated - which would likely make it a 99.9% sure sprinter's stage - perhaps a somewhat selective one. Stage 3 would also(?) obviously be one. Stage 2 may be the only hope for some action. It would take balls, though, and I'm not convinced that Vegni has any.

 

[Singer01]

if they are going to do a TT on the last day it should be a pursuit.