Giro 2018 Route Rumours

[May0maniac]

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Good news, we haven't seen Campo Imperatore in a long time and I prefer a finish in Cima Sappada after Passo di San Antonio and Forcella Zovo to a Sorgenti del Piave MTF (there's probably just not enough space to host a MTF). My guess is that they'll probably decide the amount of km of ITT after seeing the Tour route, maybe they can attract some gt riders with longer TTs.

Isn't the 30km in the Tour confirmed?

In any case, the Tour also has 35 km of TTT, which benefits most of the ITTers massively, though it might differences between different h2h pairings differently compared to an ITT.

The only 2 riders who want more ITTs at the Giro aren't going anyway. The Zoncolan and Finestre should make sure of that for Dumoulin, and Froome and Sky are not gonna win the Tour if Froome goes to the Giro.

Yeah, you're right about Dumoulin and Froome.
Yeah, Montevergine looks pretty bad, it's the kind of climb that would only be good as a MTT with some flat before it that favours the TT specialists and not the small pure climbers.
Edit: Are the other sides of Montevergine actually paved? If the answer is yes, then they could climb one of them and have some rolling terrain on top of the climb before the classic finish, but I seriously doubt it.
This side of Montevergine (minus the final 2km) would be a bit different, more of a medium mountain stage with false flat at the end and not a MTF on a long climb with shallow gradients.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Looks promising, but things like these usually look promising really. The Don show on Montevergine Il Killer-style?? Will be epic either way to see him on Zoncolan, the struggle will be real.

 

[staubsauger]

Landa nowadays prefers a Giro course with many TT miles as well. Since it additionally favors him above Aru on paper!

 

[sir fly]

Guess I could try to figure it out by myself, but could get it wrong, so are there any reliable information about length and profiles of the time trials?
Suppose there's dilemma how to use the racing circuits.
Looks like the route has potential to attract elite GT field. It will depend on the Tour route, too. We'll see after the presentations what will riders say.

 

[Red Rick]

My guess it will total around 60+- 15km.

 

[sir fly]

Without Jerusalem prologue, I suppose.
I hope for, around, hour and a half of time trialing in Italy. That could fit in in 60+-15 frame from both sides with appropriate profiles.

 

[Red Rick]

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Without Jerusalem prologue, I suppose.
I hope for, around, hour and a half of time trialing in Italy. That could fit in in 60+-15 frame from both sides with appropriate profiles.

Without the prologue, yes. I think that would be a good amount in total, assuming mountain stages are good.

 

[sir fly]

Depends on their comprehension of balance.
They can think about combination of the lengths. Of similar length or disproportional... Or make 2x2 square of lengths and altitude gains. Short/long x hilly/flat, and see what looks the best in relation to the mountains.

 

[Escarabajo]

Who is going to the Giro anyway?

Valverde,
Aru,
Thomas,
Landa,
One of Chaves or Lopez
Kruijswijk

 

[staubsauger]

Re:

Who is going to the Giro anyway?

Valverde,
Aru,
Thomas,
Landa,
One of Chaves or Lopez
Kruijswijk

If that's the field Pinot or Bardet and maybe even Fuglsang because they can actually win a grand tour.

Zakarin goes as well since Kittel leads Katusha in France.

Pellizotti might lead Bahrain.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Who is going to the Giro anyway?

Valverde,
Aru,
Thomas,
Landa,
One of Chaves or Lopez
Kruijswijk

If that's the field Pinot or Bardet and maybe even Fuglsang because they can actually win a grand tour.

Zakarin goes as well since Kittel leads Katusha in France.

Pellizotti might lead Bahrain.

Pozzovivo goes to Bahrain. Pretty sure he'll be the leader.

 

[May0maniac]

Re: Re:

Who is going to the Giro anyway?

Valverde,
Aru,
Thomas,
Landa,
One of Chaves or Lopez
Kruijswijk

If that's the field Pinot or Bardet and maybe even Fuglsang because they can actually win a grand tour.

Zakarin goes as well since Kittel leads Katusha in France.

Pellizotti might lead Bahrain.

My guess is that Pozzovivo will be the Bahrain leader.

 

[Nirvana]

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My guess it will total around 60+- 15km.

At the presentation in Israel Vegni said that his idea is to cut TT kilometres because this year were too decisive, i fear that could be only one TT around 30 kms + the prologue.

 

[Red Rick]

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My guess it will total around 60+- 15km.

At the presentation in Israel Vegni said that his idea is to cut TT kilometres because this year were too decisive, i fear that could be only one TT around 30 kms + the prologue.

Or, you know, you can design better mountain stages.

Also I didn't hear such complaints after 2015.

 

[staubsauger]

Re: Re:

Who is going to the Giro anyway?

Valverde,
Aru,
Thomas,
Landa,
One of Chaves or Lopez
Kruijswijk

If that's the field Pinot or Bardet and maybe even Fuglsang because they can actually win a grand tour.

Zakarin goes as well since Kittel leads Katusha in France.

Pellizotti might lead Bahrain.

My guess is that Pozzovivo will be the Bahrain leader.

Totally forgot about him. Yeah, you should be absolutely right!

 

[Nirvana]

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My guess it will total around 60+- 15km.

At the presentation in Israel Vegni said that his idea is to cut TT kilometres because this year were too decisive, i fear that could be only one TT around 30 kms + the prologue.

Or, you know, you can design better mountain stages.

Also I didn't hear such complaints after 2015.

Looking at the potential route he only put a lot of MTF but with limited TT and possibly unipuerto stages the only result will be that climbers won't attack until last kms.

 

[Nirvana]

I found a lot of news on italian forum this morning.

Campo Imperatore is confirmed as last stage of the first week.
After the rest day they'll start from Farindola.
https://ilfaro24.it/giro-ditalia-ancora-in-abruzzo-nel-2018-tocca-a-campo-imperatore/

No Fuessa in the Zoncolan stage because is too risky but four climb before the MTF in the stage and 4.000 metres of vertical gain to be the queen stage of the Giro.
Probably Valcalda, Duron and Muina (never heard of that one before) will be three of them.
No Forcella di Zovo and no Sorgenti del Piave MTF in the Sappada stage but Tre Croci and Sant'Antonio.
Filottrano-Imola to honour Scarponi.
Torino suggested as start for the Cervinia stage.
Other things are already known like Nerversa finish and Trento-Rovereto TT to remember WWI.
http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/2017/10/12/105839/giro-2018-friuli-tappone-zoncolan-memoria-pace-tuttobiciweb

 

[May0maniac]

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I found a lot of news on italian forum this morning.

Campo Imperatore is confirmed as last stage of the first week.
After the rest day they'll start from Farindola.
https://ilfaro24.it/giro-ditalia-ancora-in-abruzzo-nel-2018-tocca-a-campo-imperatore/

No Fuessa in the Zoncolan stage because is too risky but four climb before the MTF in the stage and 4.000 metres of vertical gain to be the queen stage of the Giro.
Probably Valcalda, Duron and Muina (never heard of that one before) will be three of them.
No Forcella di Zovo and no Sorgenti del Piave MTF in the Sappada stage but Tre Croci and Sant'Antonio.
Filottrano-Imola to honour Scarponi.
Torino suggested as start for the Cervinia stage.
Other things are already known like Nerversa finish and Trento-Rovereto TT to remember WWI.
http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/2017/10/12/105839/giro-2018-friuli-tappone-zoncolan-memoria-pace-tuttobiciweb

I can't say that I'm surprise about the Forcella Zovo thing, it was always a big surprise, it's such a goat track and you'd also have to pave the frist part of the descent in a national park.
The could add the Costalissoio climb right after the San Antonio descent, about 3km at 10%, and start the descent in Costalta, the road is decent, not too small and it shouldn't be a problem for the Giro.
4 climbs before the Zoncolan is good news, I hope that Campo Imperatore means no Montevergine, otherwise we'll get an overkill of MTFs durning the first week.

 

[Sestriere]

Wasn't Farindola the place where an avalanche destroyed a hotel about a year ago, killing many people in the process? And I also seem to remember that it's a small mountain village, don't know if that's suitable to host the race convoy for the rest day.
However, I really like Campo Imperatore. The views will be spectacular.

 

[Netserk]

So Sappada more or less this?

The could add the Costalissoio climb right after the San Antonio descent, about 3km at 10%, and start the descent is Costalta, the road is decent, not too small and it shouldn't be a problem for the Giro.

That sounds much better. Would be quite fine then.

 

[Nirvana]

Re: Re:

I found a lot of news on italian forum this morning.

Campo Imperatore is confirmed as last stage of the first week.
After the rest day they'll start from Farindola.
https://ilfaro24.it/giro-ditalia-ancora-in-abruzzo-nel-2018-tocca-a-campo-imperatore/

No Fuessa in the Zoncolan stage because is too risky but four climb before the MTF in the stage and 4.000 metres of vertical gain to be the queen stage of the Giro.
Probably Valcalda, Duron and Muina (never heard of that one before) will be three of them.
No Forcella di Zovo and no Sorgenti del Piave MTF in the Sappada stage but Tre Croci and Sant'Antonio.
Filottrano-Imola to honour Scarponi.
Torino suggested as start for the Cervinia stage.
Other things are already known like Nerversa finish and Trento-Rovereto TT to remember WWI.
http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/2017/10/12/105839/giro-2018-friuli-tappone-zoncolan-memoria-pace-tuttobiciweb

I can't say that I'm surprise about the Forcella Zovo thing, it was always a big surprise, it's such a goat track and you'd also have to pave the frist part of the descent in a national park.
The could add the Costalissoio climb right after the San Antonio descent, about 3km at 10%, and start the descent is Costalta, the road is decent, not too small and it shouldn't be a problem for the Giro.
4 climbs before the Zoncolan is good news, I hope that Campo Imperatore means no Montevergine, otherwise we'll get an overkill of MTFs durning the first week.

Looking at what the users of italian forum say it's the murito over Gualdo Tadino that risks to be cut out, but seems that they only look at stage lenght because they think there will be a passage in Amatrice.

Anyway the stages after Sicilia are still in the mist, we don't have recent rumors about Calabria and Campania, i'm not even sure that Montevergine was an actual rumor or was threw in by some users.

I'd like something similar to Praia a Mare or Terme Luigiane in Calabria, a sprint finish in Campania, Campo Imperatore, rest day, Gualdo Tadino murito, TT, Imola, sprint before Zoncolan but i think Vegni look first at who can pay and only after at the actual route and for this reason we could have MTF in series.

 

[Nirvana]

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Wasn't Farindola the place where an avalanche destroyed a hotel about a year ago, killing many people in the process? And I also seem to remember that it's a small mountain village, don't know if that's suitable to host the race convoy for the rest day.
However, I really like Campo Imperatore. The views will be spectacular.

The town of Farindola it's not in the mountains it's in the hills at around 500 metres, it's the frazione of Rigopiano (where there was the hotel destroyed) at 1.200 metres circa.

 

[OlavEH]

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Can't say that I like the latest rumours. Right now it seems like all mountain stages will probably end up with all the action on the last mountain/MTF. Even if it's 3-4 climbs before Zoncolan, all the action will be on Zoncolan. Same for Etna, Campo Imperatore, Pratonevoso and Jaffrau stages. Even if Finestre is included on the Jaffrau stage, it's not likely that anyone will attack with 70+ km left after Finestre. The only plausible stage for action more than the last 10 kms have to be if someone goes all-in on Saint-Panthaleon (if this preceeds Cervinia).

 

[fauniera]

This is looking really, really bad. Looking like a gift to Froome as well.

How about 2019, Eshnar?

 

[Robert5091]

This is looking really, really bad. Looking like a gift to Froome as well.

How about 2019, Eshnar?

So SDB's designing the giro this year?