Giro d’Italia 2024, Stage 16: Livigno – Santa Cristina Valgardena/Sankt Christina in Gröden (Monte Pana), 202.0k 206.0k

[SHAD0W93]

I risk to say even guys like Hindley would look like Merckx on this race, due to this field being so weak.

Even Hindley would had won this race eqsily with 5/6 wins. I'm not even going to talk about Vingegaard, Remco or Roglic.

Yeah, Hindley of course. Just keep spinning more and more down the rabbit hole.

 

[Mayomaniac]

And they probably don‘t have bikes but ride yaks…

Let's stay serious, Mongols ride horses and drink horse milk.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Was disappointed the forum crashed so unable to read what’s happening but when procyclingstats finally started working and saw Ala only had 1’20 gap, a Pogacar win was inevitable.

 

[search]

Semi-related question: does anyone know what would happen to the Cima Coppi if Umbrail is scrapped? The second-highest summit of the race was yesterday, would they award it to the highest remaining summit (Passo Sella on Wednesday) or scrap it entirely?

In 2019, Cima Coppi was changed (from Gavia) to the highest remaining climb (Manghen), not the second highest (Lago Serrù).

They have now confirmed this to be the case this year as well:

"The Cima Coppi will be set on the Passo Sella (2,244 metres). The first rider clearing the summit will receive the Cima Coppi prize, and the stage winner will receive the Premio Torriani."

As Passo Sella is normally only a category 2 climb, this comes with a significant point boost (50 instead of 18) for the early part of tomorrow's stage.

 

[AmRacer]

Was disappointed the forum crashed so unable to read what’s happening but when procyclingstats finally started working and saw Ala only had 1’20 gap, a Pogacar win was inevitable.

CN live feed works too.

 

[Escarabajo]

Nothing is as fun as watching the field be the worst in the WT stage races

Ok, this is the 3rd week in cold and wet conditions against Pogacar, so we have to be understandable that it looks really bad. People look very good on 1 week races but when they go to a GT, they have a tendency to weaken and ride very defensive. Just look at last year. It was just awful with Roglic and Thomas there.

 

[Unchained]

Maybe I didn't write that post properly but I'm basically 'spelling out' how it should be, aka the ideal set-up for these types of problems.

I don't know exactly what went down in Italy today (I can't be bothered to siphon through all the blame game on social media tonight) but in an 'ideal world' there needs to be an independent organism with credibility & authority which can come up with a literal scientific yes or no regarding the practicability of the racing conditions. That means IMO getting guys out there in racing gear to do a test run on the road.

On Spanish language Eurosport, in studio were Pedro Delgado and Juan Antonio Flecha, neither had a negative opinion about race changes, in the field was Alberto Contador, standing near proposed finish area and some fat,slushy snow coming down, don't know if it was live, or when video was taken. Note that it was not sticking to the ground, similar to this..

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JZf53pKSyo4&pp=ygUKR2lybyByZWNhcA%3D%3D

 

[Sciatic]

Maybe I didn't write that post properly but I'm basically 'spelling out' how it should be, aka the ideal set-up for these types of problems.

I don't know exactly what went down in Italy today (I can't be bothered to siphon through all the blame game on social media tonight) but in an 'ideal world' there needs to be an independent organism with credibility & authority which can come up with a literal scientific yes or no regarding the practicability of the racing conditions. That means IMO getting guys out there in racing gear to do a test run on the road.

I see what you’re saying - I agree.

 

[Extinction]

Maybe I didn't write that post properly but I'm basically 'spelling out' how it should be, aka the ideal set-up for these types of problems.

I don't know exactly what went down in Italy today (I can't be bothered to siphon through all the blame game on social media tonight) but in an 'ideal world' there needs to be an independent organism with credibility & authority which can come up with a literal scientific yes or no regarding the practicability of the racing conditions. That means IMO getting guys out there in racing gear to do a test run on the road.

The UCI should hire riders to explore the conditions, instead of leaving it up to race organizations to make the call, which goes against their interests. Still, even then, there will be biases towards the cyclists. Think of the liability in today's litigations. How I miss when riders just got on with it and didn't expect to be pampered.

 

[joe_papp]

You don't seem to care much for the riders.

What a joke. They're paid to perform like circus monkeys for my enjoyment.

 

[Extinction]

What a joke. They're paid to perform like circus monkeys for my enjoyment.

Once upon a time the challenges of nature made riders intrepid, and not only at the professional level. Not monkeys, but heros in the true spirit of Grecian mythology. We naively didn't care, because we had great memories and stories to tell at the inn before the hearth.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I risk to say even guys like Hindley would look like Merckx on this race, due to this field being so weak.

Even Hindley would had won this race eqsily with 5/6 wins. I'm not even going to talk about Vingegaard, Remco or Roglic.

2004 Giro d'Italia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dgodave]

And they probably don‘t have bikes but ride yaks…

And the old timers ride E-yaks.

 

[RedheadDane]

I mean they probably have their yak haired cycling clothing

That sounds like it would itch absolutely horribly!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Whats the reference here? [content deleted]

If ever you criticise the quality of a GT's GC field, just remember, it could always be the 2004 Giro.

 

[ice&fire]

The Giro was funnier when mountains were cancelled because of... Moser

 

[Tim Cahill]

Big respect for Julian Alaphilippe at protesting the mandatory wearing of helmets on final climbs by the UCI dictatorship which dumbed down the spectacle on the road!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1792993402415403111

 

[search]

Big respect for Julian Alaphilippe at protesting the mandatory wearing of helmets on final climbs by the UCI dictatorship which dumbed down the spectacle on the road!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1792993402415403111

well, the penalty for this is "CHF 200 fine and/or elimination or disqualification", so it could have been worse.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Big respect for Julian Alaphilippe at protesting the mandatory wearing of helmets on final climbs by the UCI dictatorship which dumbed down the spectacle on the road!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1792993402415403111

German commentators actually talked about it and the rule seemed to mandate disqualification, so maybe Lefevere should calm down.

 

[Valv.Piti]

If ever you criticise the quality of a GT's GC field, just remember, it could always be the 2004 Giro.

Really, I see some of the best Italian GC-riders of that time. I thought it had something to do with the route which is probably the worst GT-route I have seen, or at least very, very close to it.

 

[kingjr]

So what is the correct way to remove your cap?

 

[AmRacer]

So what is the correct way to remove your cap?

Stop riding and get off your bike.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Really, I see some of the best Italian GC-riders of that time. I thought it had something to do with the route which is probably the worst GT-route I have seen, or at least very, very close to it.

It was a very shallow field regardless of that awful route, though. Simoni was on the same team as Cunego and their internal rivalry was the only thing of real interest, Garzelli was good but Belli hadn't been a credible threat in half a decade, Cioni would never come even close to replicating that, Popovych would be a domestique for the rest of his career, and Bradley McGee being 8th was used as a meme for races with terrible routes or fields for a number of years afterward.

 

[kingjr]

Stop riding and get off your bike.

Oh dear...

 

[kingjr]

It was a very shallow field regardless of that awful route, though. Simoni was on the same team as Cunego and their internal rivalry was the only thing of real interest, Garzelli was good but Belli hadn't been a credible threat in half a decade, Cioni would never come even close to replicating that, Popovych would be a domestique for the rest of his career, and Bradley McGee being 8th was used as a meme for races with terrible routes or fields for a number of years afterward.

Not bad for a clean rider, though.