Giro d’Italia 2024, Stage 16: Livigno – Santa Cristina Valgardena/Sankt Christina in Gröden (Monte Pana), 202.0k 206.0k

[QueenStagiaire]

Well, it is as they say, the riders make the race!

 

[Red Rick]

Time to uninstall cycling

 

[Berniece]

if 100% of the votes went for skipping the descent, then it makes sense not to do the descent.

 

[Red Rick]

"Can we vote to not do the work were paid to so and still get paid"

 

[QueenStagiaire]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1792795856766144857

View: https://x.com/HansenAdam/status/1792795856766144857


Riders don't ride the Umbrail. It will probably be shortend or canceled.
If shortend the winner will be from the bunch. UAE could ride and I think Bora will ride for bonis.

Lovely that Adam Hansen tells us that if the riders vote, they stick to their vote like they are the only valid shareholders and the previous meeting involving a CPA representative is to be ignored. Also, the CPA still cites freezing rain from the EWP to mean rain that‘s cold, whereas my online dictionary research tells me this is BS and that freezing rain has to freeze on the ground. Finally, he writes that changing clothes at two degrees poses a health risk. I don‘t understand what the risk to putting on warm clothes when it‘s cold, is.

 

[Netserk]

Riders having a say in anything in this sport requires riders being organized, and riders having no say whatsoever is just as bad an option as the current power imbalance.

Collectively, riders should not have a say.

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

I love how "vote to skip the Umbrailpass" is casually dropped as if this means they would just change a street in a city criterium. You can't "skip" the Umbrailpass without altering the stage totally, if they drive all the way over Umbrail (which btw will be a logistical disaster) and start after the descent you end up with a stage of 120km where 90km are false flat downhill. Hilarious stuff.

 

[Netserk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1792813082219298823

View: https://twitter.com/GcnRacing/status/1792813082219298823

Start the stage as normal. If no one shows up, no one finishes the race. It's over.

If a single team shows up, we have a race.

 

[Faserr]

I think they won't drive over the Umbrail. They probably go throgh the tunnel to the the suisse national park down to Münstertal. (55km drive).

 

[Salvarani]

I think starting in Italy, and finish anywhere in Scandinavia is... kinda bad.
Mid-stage teleportation is against the rules!

We can use the autobahn and then take the ferry to Trelleborg, on the first rest day, so we can skip Dane land. I think most would be pleased with that arrangement.

 

[topcat]

I vote that I don't have to show up for work but still get full pay and sympathy. I'm 100% in favour. Carried.

 

[sam6]

I don't blame the riders.
I don't blame RCS.
I don't even blame Adam Hansen at this point.

I blame the UCI. Grant permission to move the race to late May / June as per the multiple requests. Protect the Giro!
That's the only logical solution under the EWP and contemporary safety requirements.

Wouldn't this make it near impossible for anyone to do the Giro/Tour double, though?

 

[RedheadDane]

We can use the autobahn and then take the ferry to Trelleborg, on the first rest day, so we can skip Dane land. I think most would be pleased with that arrangement.

But this getting from Italy to Sweden mid stage!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Wouldn't this make it near impossible for anyone to do the Giro/Tour double, though?

Giovanni Battaglin won the Vuelta and the Giro with just 3 days' rest between them. Different times, I know.

 

[Salvarani]

But this getting from Italy to Sweden mid stage!

Emirates are on stand-by.

We can do 1a and 1b.

 

[sam6]

I vote that I don't have to show up for work but still get full pay and sympathy. I'm 100% in favour. Carried.

Does your work involve a serious risk of death that is increased in bad weather?

I think it would be reasonable for, e.g. a builder, to say I can't work today because there is snow/ice and so a serious risk. Going down that descent where there is potentially ice while racing is dangerous and the riders should be able to say that. I am sure almost all of them want to race

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Emirates are on stand-by.

We can do 1a and 1b.

In the Emirates they can do an entire race with no descents too. All ______ or ______/, perfect. The riders will love it.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Meanwhile, in actual racing news, Danny Van Poppel is not starting because he‘s sick.

 

[Ricco']

https://twitter.com/x/status/1792813082219298823

View: https://twitter.com/GcnRacing/status/1792813082219298823

Call their bluff, the Giro is over anyway, Pogacar won and there is no fight for podium, so not a lot will be missed

 

[Salvarani]

In the Emirates they can do an entire race with no descents too. All ______ or ______/, perfect. The riders will love it.

Yup.

Straight finish in sprint-stages seems to working just fine over there. No crashes has happened in them, right?

We need more straight and safe roads to reduce the risks for the cyclists. At least 30 degrees and only sunny weather as well.

 

[YavorD]

Does your work involve a serious risk of death that is increased in bad weather?

I don't think wet descents are statistically more dangerous than dry descents, flat sprint stages or even training. So we may as well cancel the sport altogether, no?

If it's icy, I could agree but they moan about rainy and wet.

 

[peterfin]

I don't blame the riders.
I don't blame RCS.
I don't even blame Adam Hansen at this point.

I blame the UCI. Grant permission to move the race to late May / June as per the multiple requests. Protect the Giro!
That's the only logical solution under the EWP and contemporary safety requirements.

Swapping the Vuelta and Giro would be better. The weather in Spain is typically better in May and it's less of a high mountain race. The risks of extreme heat during the Vuelta are also minimized.

 

[Netserk]

Everything RCS have done so far has been done like they to ought to by the EWP. They came to an agreement yesterday. It is not up to CPA to implement that agreement. By the rules of the sport, they have no formal veto. Their "vote" has no validity. They want everyone else to abide by the rules, when the rules are in their favour - yet the riders do not want to respect the rules when it doesn't suit them.

From the EWP on who has the power to decide: "If stakeholders cannot reach a consensus by the end of the meeting, the organiser, in agreement with the President of the Commissaires’ Panel, shall decide the actions to be taken."

CPA are saboteurs. Anti-cycling agents.

 

[baojoao]

I have a simple solution. Start doing grand tours on Zwift (or similar)!!! This is getting really anoying...
Former cyclists rode with really bad weather and with less material conditions. Nowadays cyclists have better everything, want to be remembered as the best from the past are, but they forget they have to race.
If the teams refuse to race, end the race.

 

[AmRacer]

Everything RCS have done so far has been done like they to ought to by the EWP. They came to an agreement yesterday. It is not up to CPA to implement that agreement. By the rules of the sport, they have no formal veto. Their "vote" has no validity. They want everyone else to abide by the rules, when the rules are in their favour - yet the riders do not want to respect the rules when it doesn't suit them.

From the EWP on who has the power to decide: "If stakeholders cannot reach a consensus by the end of the meeting, the organiser, in agreement with the President of the Commissaires’ Panel, shall decide the actions to be taken."

CPA are saboteurs. Anti-cycling agents.

Haven't we had enough of crashes, injured and sick riders?