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If we would have the same situation as today heading to the Vuelta Liquigas would not hesitate to go with Szmyd as a leader.

But for an Italian team Giro is the race of the season so they would no take any risk to go with a very strong, but unproven as a GC leader in GT rider. If Basso is not ready I am sure that Nibali willl ride the Giro. Also both are Italians wich is important

Although my dream is basso as a leader and Szmyd as their second card to play, and a Froome like performance. Sylwester is graet this season so fingers crossed for him, for today and the rest of the season. His attitude changed this season 100%. He was alway complaining, he did not belive in himself. Now on his website, in all his interviews, and what is the most important on the road he is showing that he is able to ride for himself, and be one of the best climbers in the peleton. And also wich is important he can fight in other terrain ( Cataluna) and evev sprint from a larger group. I am big Szmyd fan I follow his carrer for years, and even me beeing very optimistic about him, would never imagine him riding like in Cataluna. I am sure that one year ago he would not even try to fight on those hilly stages with flat finishes, he always said that he do not belive that he is able to compete in such terrain. This year he was twice close to win such stages. In the mountains is another story, it was always sure for me that he is able to ride with the best guys, but rarely showed it because of his work for the leaders.


Hope that Sylwas will get once his GC shot in one of the GT, he deservs it for all his years of hard work for Pantani, Simoni, Cunego, Basso, Nibali etc. Hope that somehow it will be this Giro he is in the form of his life
 
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nibali will ride 100% liqiuigas take no risk for their most important race of the year. the tour they don't care about.

they will go for basos in beginning of the giro but if they find out basos can't win or he lose a lot of time they will go with nibali. if basso does ride great. nibali will save himself and do the tour
 
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I don't think Szmyd is the guy for Italian fans to rally behind. And I think Basso will show that he still has what it takes. After all, it's "just" the Giro, and it's not like the other contenders are currently that impressive, except maybe for Kreuziger.
 
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Its not a stupid comment other support riders and super domestiques have had superior performances to Szmyd in GTs, Menchov was 5th in the Vuelta in 2011 supporting Cobo, a quality GC rider riding in supprot can make the top 10, likewise Kloden was 6th in the 2009 tour Nibali 3rd in the 2010 Giro, these guys when preparing specifically for a GC can podium or win, Szmyd could never get a top 10 riding support so he sure as hell couldnt podium if he was the number 1 and would likely finish between 8th or 10th maximum. Hes not capable of producing the kind of GC prformance Liquigas need in there most improtant race of the year
 
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Ryo Hazuki

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gilbertador said:
Its not a stupid comment other support riders and super domestiques have had superior performances to Szmyd in GTs, Menchov was 5th in the Vuelta in 2011 supporting Cobo, a quality GC rider riding in supprot can make the top 10, likewise Kloden was 6th in the 2009 tour Nibali 3rd in the 2010 Giro, these guys when preparing specifically for a GC can podium or win, Szmyd could never get a top 10 riding support so he sure as hell couldnt podium if he was the number 1 and would likely finish between 8th or 10th maximum. Hes not capable of producing the kind of GC prformance Liquigas need in there most improtant race of the year
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he did not support cobo, except for one stage. man I can't even begin how ignorant this all is. a rider that is a true helper saves himself as soon as his work is done. they don't try for their own stupid little gc. szmyd always did that. he did his work and let himself drop and save for next day. you clearly have no idea what a true helper is.
 
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gilbertador said:
Its not a stupid comment other support riders and super domestiques have had superior performances to Szmyd in GTs, Menchov was 5th in the Vuelta in 2011 supporting Cobo, a quality GC rider riding in supprot can make the top 10, likewise Kloden was 6th in the 2009 tour Nibali 3rd in the 2010 Giro, these guys when preparing specifically for a GC can podium or win, Szmyd could never get a top 10 riding support so he sure as hell couldnt podium if he was the number 1 and would likely finish between 8th or 10th maximum. Hes not capable of producing the kind of GC prformance Liquigas need in there most improtant race of the year
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It is not fair comparision. Menchov, Nibali, Kloden were not 100% domestiques like Szmyd was.
 
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gilbertador said:
Its not a stupid comment other support riders and super domestiques have had superior performances to Szmyd in GTs, Menchov was 5th in the Vuelta in 2011 supporting Cobo, a quality GC rider riding in supprot can make the top 10, likewise Kloden was 6th in the 2009 tour Nibali 3rd in the 2010 Giro, these guys when preparing specifically for a GC can podium or win, Szmyd could never get a top 10 riding support so he sure as hell couldnt podium if he was the number 1 and would likely finish between 8th or 10th maximum. Hes not capable of producing the kind of GC prformance Liquigas need in there most improtant race of the year
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Not comparable at all. Szmyd always sacrifices himself 100% for his captains. He's not some ****ty domestique who does a half-hearted pull and then tries to limit his losses. Szmyd stays on the front until he's completely dead, then he just tries to get to the finish and save energy for the upcoming stages.

You're not a good domestique if you, after finishing your pull, still can get to the finish in a decent position. Then you haven't done your job properly.
 
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gilbertador

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So are you saying Nibali Menchov and Kloeden don't give 100%?! Obviously they do and despite this they still finish high up because they are better riders Szmyd is good but he isnt on there level, there position is comparable and they present a credible threat to other riders by staying near to their leaders if Szmyd could only fall of the pace with 2km or 1 km to go he would also be high up on GC fact is he isnt
 
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theyoungest

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Hahahahaha. Gold.
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Well, I gotta say, Menchov rode most of Pena Cabarga in front. If Szmyd had the capability to keep that pace all the way to the top, I'd say he's free to do so.
 
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Well, I gotta say, Menchov rode most of Pena Cabarga in front. If Szmyd had the capability to keep that pace all the way to the top, I'd say he's free to do so.
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I didn't compare them to Szmyd at all.
 
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pozzovivo did yesterday the climb fast even it didn't seem so lol.great performance,let's hope he can keep it like that in the giro

Punta Veleno
2012:10,4 km@10,4%---36:09---average speed 17.26 km/h(Domenico Pozzovivo)

probably,his numbers must have been close to cobo on angliru which i think has also better road.

Angliru
2011:12,6 km@10%---43:57---average speed 17.20 km/h(Juan Jose Cobo)

vai di luca on pordoi! i didn't lose the hope.
 
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karlboss

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jens_attacks said:
pozzovivo did yesterday the climb fast even it didn't seem so lol.great performance,let's hope he can keep it like that in the giro

Punta Veleno
2012:10,4 km@10,4%---36:09---average speed 17.26 km/h(Domenico Pozzovivo)

probably,his numbers must have been close to cobo on angliru which i think has also better road.

Angliru
2011:12,6 km@10%---43:57---average speed 17.20 km/h(Juan Jose Cobo)

vai di luca on pordoi! i didn't lose the hope.
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