Giro di Lombardia Route Change?

[Jamsque]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10072

Only on page 2, dude.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Somebody made the new profile in Pro Cycling Manager, the stage editor uses actual height data from height maps to draw the profile, so it's 99% accurate.

The part where Madonna di Ghisallo starts actually looks like a col now.

 

[auscyclefan94]

This route is definetly much better fo guys like gesink, TGBM, Evans and Samu.

 

[blaxland]

Does anyone know the start list?Or is it to early for one?Evans,Sanchez or Hisjedal?If riding.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Does anyone know the start list?Or is it to early for one?Evans,Sanchez or Hisjedal?If riding.

Evans(90% sure), Schleck, gesink, Martin are the guys who I know who will be there. Cunego is not racing.

 

[blaxland]

Evans(90% sure), Schleck, gesink, Martin are the guys who I know who will be there. Cunego is not racing.

I think Gesink will be one rider who will stamp his authority on this race....

 

[ultimobici]

I don't even think Gilbert will enter this year's Lombardia if he wins the worlds.

But I just don't see anyone dropping Gilbert on that climb while he's in top form. Even if they drop him there's still the descend and the 18km flat part. Time enough for him to get back on if he gets dropped. And we all know Gilbert can and will totally r*pe the field on the final climb.

Gilbert is imo even showing better form then last year.

Having ridden all four of these climbs, I can assure you that comparing Civiglio & San Fermo della Battaglia with Sormano isn't a fair comparison.

Sormano climbs to 1124M and starts pretty much as soon as you turn off the Ghisallo descent. Although it is not as steep as the Ghisallo to begin with it is a longer climb with no respite. The Ghisallo is longer overall but has a 2km section of downhill midway, Sormano just goes on and on for 7km straight.
The descent is fast to begin with but as it approaches Nesso is very technical. Some riders will be able to get back on though it will be risky.
As for the 18km of flat - depends on what you call flat! It's far from flat and is on a super narrow twisting road. The road lends itself to an escape staying away rather than a concerted chase.
So I reckon whoever wins this year will make their move on Sormano or there'll be a stalemate until San Fermo della Battaglia.

 

[Kwibus]

Having ridden all four of these climbs, I can assure you that comparing Civiglio & San Fermo della Battaglia with Sormano isn't a fair comparison.

Sormano climbs to 1124M and starts pretty much as soon as you turn off the Ghisallo descent. Although it is not as steep as the Ghisallo to begin with it is a longer climb with no respite. The Ghisallo is longer overall but has a 2km section of downhill midway, Sormano just goes on and on for 7km straight.
The descent is fast to begin with but as it approaches Nesso is very technical. Some riders will be able to get back on though it will be risky.
As for the 18km of flat - depends on what you call flat! It's far from flat and is on a super narrow twisting road. The road lends itself to an escape staying away rather than a concerted chase.
So I reckon whoever wins this year will make their move on Sormano or there'll be a stalemate until San Fermo della Battaglia.

To me it seems that if the pure climbers pust it hard at the Ghisallo and Sormano then the ardennes specialists like Gilbert won't be around anymore. The fact there is 18km 'flat' until the San Fermo will prevent the pure climbers from really attacking on the Sormano though. Which is a shame.
Because this way they will keep riders like Gilbert near them and they really don't want that
The technical descent doesn't favour riders like Gesink and A.Schleck.

I'm judging pure on the profile. Unfortunately I've never ever seen this race before. My interest before this year never went further then the spring classics and the TdF. So I'm unable to judge properly since I don't know 'the character' of the race.

 

[ultimobici]

The Nesso-Como road is a typical minor road. Patched repairs plus large sections of that open tarmac that "grips" one's tyres.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

To me it seems that if the pure climbers pust it hard at the Ghisallo and Sormano then the ardennes specialists like Gilbert won't be around anymore. The fact there is 18km 'flat' until the San Fermo will prevent the pure climbers from really attacking on the Sormano though. Which is a shame.
Because this way they will keep riders like Gilbert near them and they really don't want that
The technical descent doesn't favour riders like Gesink and A.Schleck.

I'm judging pure on the profile. Unfortunately I've never ever seen this race before. My interest before this year never went further then the spring classics and the TdF. So I'm unable to judge properly since I don't know 'the character' of the race.

Technical descent doesn't make a difference because it's way too far from the line. Even Sammy Sanchez is not mad enough to try a 30km solo. Besides, the 'flat' (lets call it rolling) part to the last climb will be enough to catch anyone who gets, what, 10 seconds on the descent?
The descent of a climb 50km in front of a finish will never make a difference. Just like the remaining distance prevents attacking on the climb, the same remaining distance prevents attacks on the downhill.
Same logic.

 

[ultimobici]

Technical descent doesn't make a difference because it's way too far from the line. Even Sammy Sanchez is not mad enough to try a 30km solo. Besides, the 'flat' (lets call it rolling) part to the last climb will be enough to catch anyone who gets, what, 10 seconds on the descent?
The descent of a climb 50km in front of a finish will never make a difference. Just like the remaining distance prevents attacking on the climb, the same remaining distance prevents attacks on the downhill.
Same logic.

Someone neglected to tell Charly Mottet that in 88! TT'd the last 50km and won by almost two minutes. Bugno & Lejaretta couldn't catch him.

http://www.cyclingbase.com/resultatcal.php?id=16&idsaison=20&idtitle=2

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

1988
we are living in 2010 now. Cycling has changed.
Even compared to 10 years ago. Not too long ago LBL started on La Redoute, now that climb is considered way too far from the finish, while it's in the last 35km..

 

[rghysens]

1988
we are living in 2010 now. Cycling has changed.
Even compared to 10 years ago. Not too long ago LBL started on La Redoute, now that climb is considered way too far from the finish, while it's in the last 35km..

Including the roche aux faucons and saint-nicolas surely hasn't helped providing a long finale.

 

[ultimobici]

1988
we are living in 2010 now. Cycling has changed.
Even compared to 10 years ago. Not too long ago LBL started on La Redoute, now that climb is considered way too far from the finish, while it's in the last 35km..

OK 22 years is a little long ago to be directly comparable.

But consider Bettini's win in 2006 which was an attack launched from the Civiglio.

Also have a look at the profile from the Nesso to Como run in. It is far from flat! Nesso is at KM 15 and Como is KM 30.5.

http://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=ufredvfoqgxtiuxo