Giro d'Italia 2016 Rumours

[Miburo]

yes no *** TTT, that was one of the only bad things in the recent giros.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah, I really want to have an ITT rather than an TTT to start off.

 

[vedrafjord]

Great news

 

[Eshnar]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2016-giro-ditalia-to-include-three-individual-time-trials/
so I guess I should trust Vegni's words... the MTT is in. From Ponte Gardena to Malga Rietsch is 19 kms, so I think that's the starting place. that makes it better, definitely.
I'll drop Corvara for now, but I admit the second week is definitely wrong. Something must be out of place.
Stage 1 Apeldoorn ITT 11 km OFF
Stage 2 Arnhem - Nijmegen 180 km OFF
Stage 3 Nijmegen - Arnhem 190 km OFF
Rest
Stage 4 Catanzaro - ??? ****
Stage 5 ??? - Montevergine MTF *****
Stage 6 Avellino? - Roccaraso ***
Stage 7 Sulmona - Foligno ***
Stage 8 Foligno - Follonica ****
Stage 9 Redde in Chianti - Greve in Chianti ITT 40.4 km OFF Profile
Rest
Stage 10 ??? - Sestola*****
Stage 11 ??? - Andalo ****
Stage 12 Molveno - Asolo ***
Stage 13 Udine?? - Cividale del Friuli *****
Stage 14 Ponte Gardena - Alpe di Siusi MTT **** or Farra d'Alpago - Corvara ***
Stage 15 Castelrotto?? - Livigno **** or Ponte Gardena - Alpe di Siusi MTT ****
Rest
Stage 16 Livigno - Ghisallo ** or Castelrotto?? - Livigno ****
Stage 17 ??? - Monza? **
Stage 18 Muggiò - Pinerolo ****
Stage 19 Pinerolo - Risoul MTF ****
Stage 20 Guillestre - S.Anna di Vinadio MTF ****
Stage 21 Cuneo - Torino ***

 

[Gigs_98]

I think Corvara wouldnt be raced well before a MTT so I hope for:
-Siusi MTT on stage 14
-Livigno on stage 15
-Ghisallo on stage 16

Btw, I don't understand why so many people dislike the Livigno stage. Only because its Gavia and not stelvio? At least we will also see the Tonale before which also is a 1st category climb in every race besides the giro. Moreover gavia from the south is really really hard and although its maybe not on the level of stelvio-north its still one of the best climbs of italy.

IMO that would be great.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Meh...

That TT will not create big gaps at all.

It's basically only a hilly 33km as you can't really lose that much time in the last 7km downhill section. Furthermore, from km 14 to 24 it's a false flat downhill Not much time to be gained there too.
Very disapointing TT.

 

[fauniera]

Since when is it not possible to win or lose time in desents or false flat downhills?

I don't get what problem you all have with this time trial. It is twisting and turning its way through the Tuscany countryside, downhill, uphill, flat, there is never time to rest. Should be awesome.

 

[hrotha]

The problem is it is designed to minimize gaps between TT specialists and climbers. You may disagree that that's a bad thing, but our reasons for disliking it are pretty clear.

 

[fauniera]

It's the Giro. You can't expect a deadflat 50+ km time trial every year, and i wouldn't want to see one either.

 

[hrotha]

You wouldn't, but I would. In fact, I think it's key to have one. Hence, I have a problem with this TT. It's pretty simple, really.

 

[fauniera]

Also, in the last few years the Giro has developed the habit of placing time trials in regions famous for wine (Barolo, Prosecco, now Chianti), which i think is an excellent idea. As wine usually grows in hilly regions, it it kind of obvious that these time trials tend to be at least partly hilly. It would be easily possible to make much harder time trials in all these regions, the RCS versions are basically as flat as possible.

 

[fauniera]

Re:

You wouldn't, but I would. In fact, I think it's key to have one. Hence, I have a problem with this TT. It's pretty simple, really.

It's still a stage for a rouleur. Cancellara in his prime would have gained more time on the Chianti stage than in a deadflat one with the same length, i'm pretty sure. But i do see your point, sure.

 

[roundabout]

Also, in the last few years the Giro has developed the habit of placing time trials in regions famous for wine (Barolo, Prosecco, now Chianti), which i think is an excellent idea. As wine usually grows in hilly regions, it it kind of obvious that these time trials tend to be at least partly hilly. It would be easily possible to make much harder time trials in all these regions, the RCS versions are basically as flat as possible.

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the first version of the ITT this year was easier than the one subsequently raced

 

[Eshnar]

Also, in the last few years the Giro has developed the habit of placing time trials in regions famous for wine (Barolo, Prosecco, now Chianti), which i think is an excellent idea. As wine usually grows in hilly regions, it it kind of obvious that these time trials tend to be at least partly hilly. It would be easily possible to make much harder time trials in all these regions, the RCS versions are basically as flat as possible.

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the first version of the ITT this year was easier than the one subsequently raced

no, this year was raced the exact same version that was presented. Your talking about the one of 2014. That was indeed presented as a lot flatter than the final version

 

[Gigs_98]

Also, in the last few years the Giro has developed the habit of placing time trials in regions famous for wine (Barolo, Prosecco, now Chianti), which i think is an excellent idea. As wine usually grows in hilly regions, it it kind of obvious that these time trials tend to be at least partly hilly. It would be easily possible to make much harder time trials in all these regions, the RCS versions are basically as flat as possible.

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the first version of the ITT this year was easier than the one subsequently raced

no, this year was raced the exact same version that was presented. Your talking about the one of 2014. That was indeed presented as a lot flatter than the final version

so do you think the final version will be more difficult too?

 

[Eshnar]

no, I don't see why they should change this one, from their POV. But you can never know

 

[roundabout]

Also, in the last few years the Giro has developed the habit of placing time trials in regions famous for wine (Barolo, Prosecco, now Chianti), which i think is an excellent idea. As wine usually grows in hilly regions, it it kind of obvious that these time trials tend to be at least partly hilly. It would be easily possible to make much harder time trials in all these regions, the RCS versions are basically as flat as possible.

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the first version of the ITT this year was easier than the one subsequently raced

no, this year was raced the exact same version that was presented. Your talking about the one of 2014. That was indeed presented as a lot flatter than the final version

Ah, right, thank you.

 

[Velolover2]

Potential captains:

Landa for Sky.
Aru for Astana.
Hejsedal for Trek.
Pozzo/Peraud for AG2R.
Uran for Cannondale.
Dan Martin for Etixx. (?)
Purito for Katusha. (?)
Caruso/Samu (?) for BMC.
Kelderman for Jumbo.
Majka for Saxo.
Chaves for Orica.
Betancur for Movistar. (?)

 

[Sciocco]

Re:

Potential captains:

Landa for Sky.
Aru for Astana.
Hejsedal for Trek.
Pozzo/Peraud for AG2R.
Uran for Cannondale.
Dan Martin for Etixx. (?)
Purito for Katusha. (?)
Caruso/Samu (?) for BMC.
Kelderman for Jumbo.
Majka for Saxo.
Chaves for Orica.
Betancur for Movistar. (?)

I'd like to see him in the best race that exists, but I believe I've read multiple times that he doesn't like racing in the spring/can't reach best form, some along those lines. If damian were here, he would know.

 

[Velolover2]

I don't think he has any other choice since Contador is only racing the Tour.

I doubt the current Kreuziger has the abilities to get a top result. Maybe Kišerlovski if they want to ride for a low-end top 10.

 

[Sciocco]

Re:

I don't think he has any other choice since Contador is only racing the Tour.

I doubt the current Kreuziger has the abilities to get a top result. Maybe Kišerlovski if they want to ride for a low-end top 10.

Yea another Giro is likely. I hope he gets a somewhat decent team so he can challenge in GC. I believe he'll do well with ~70km of ITT and if the mountains are similar to this year.

 

[Velolover2]

Re: Re:

I don't think he has any other choice since Contador is only racing the Tour.

I doubt the current Kreuziger has the abilities to get a top result. Maybe Kišerlovski if they want to ride for a low-end top 10.

Yea another Giro is likely. I hope he gets a somewhat decent team so he can challenge in GC. I believe he'll do well with ~70km of ITT and if the mountains are similar to this year.

Yep. It's a good course for him.

I think his team will be similar to the Vuelta squad. Poljanski and Hansen are already decent young climbers. Add Trofimov, Rogers and McCarthy. And the team is already strong.

 

[Eshnar]

Updates:
Seems like Follonica won't get a stage after all. This fits with the idea that stage 8 will be a demanding stage finishing in Tuscany, possibly (possibly... don't celebrate yet) with some sterrato and/or the Monte Amiata.

The second week is still the main mistery of the route... the only stages that seem fixed are Sestola on stage 10 and Cividale on stage 13. One between stage 11 and 12 should finish in Asolo. We have to fit in up to stage 16 a stage to Andalo, one to Corvara (or surroundings), the MTT to Siusi and a stage to Livigno. It is technically doable, but it would make an absolute killer 2nd week, so I assume at least one of those will drop. Considering the vicinity between Corvara and Siusi, it's one of those. If there's no Siusi, the MTT Vegni talked about could perhaps be to Andalo... but this is just speculation.

 

[May0maniac]

Updates:
Seems like Follonica won't get a stage after all. This fits with the idea that stage 8 will be a demanding stage finishing in Tuscany, possibly (possibly... don't celebrate yet) with some sterrato and/or the Monte Amiata.

The second week is still the main mistery of the route... the only stages that seem fixed are Sestola on stage 10 and Cividale on stage 13. One between stage 11 and 12 should finish in Asolo. We have to fit in up to stage 16 a stage to Andalo, one to Corvara (or surroundings), the MTT to Siusi and a stage to Livigno. It is technically doable, but it would make an absolute killer 2nd week, so I assume at least one of those will drop. Considering the vicinity between Corvara and Siusi, it's one of those. If there's no Siusi, the MTT Vegni talked about could perhaps be to Andalo... but this is just speculation.

A local TV station claims that 2 stages will finish in Südtirol/Alto Adige, the Covara stage and the Susi stage. I don't know how reliable that information is, but having the Corvara stage before the MTT would be bad, everyone would just try to conserve energy.
The Sant'Anna di Vinadio stage could be pretty bad, 13km of flat after the Fauniera descent and I don't know if the riders would attack early on that climb.

If they riders wait for the final 2km to attack it could be a pretty bad stage, in my opinion it's the worst way to use an awesome climb like Fauniera.

 

[Nirvana]

Re:

Potential captains:

Landa for Sky.
Aru for Astana.
Hejsedal for Trek.
Pozzo/Peraud for AG2R.
Uran for Cannondale.
Dan Martin for Etixx. (?)
Purito for Katusha. (?)
Caruso/Samu (?) for BMC.
Kelderman for Jumbo.
Majka for Saxo.
Chaves for Orica.
Betancur for Movistar. (?)

Nibali will ride for Astana, he said that in 2016 his goals are Giro and Olympics (and i think also Vuelta) since last year, and Aru to the Tour.


My idea is this:

Peraud (and Pozzovivo if sign for 2016) for AG2R.
Nibali for Astana.
Porte (probably with Caruso) for BMC.
Uran for Cannondale.
Jungels for Etixx.
Geniez for FDJ.
Domoulin for Giant.
Purito for Katusha.
Meintjes for Lampre.
Kruijswijk for Lotto Jumbo.
De Gendt for Lotto Soudal.
Amador (with Visconti in support) for Movistar (or one of Quintana and Valverde if they split programs like in 2014).
Landa (with Thomas?) for Sky.
Majka (with Trofimov in support) for Tinkoff.
Hesjedal for Trek.
Cunego for Nippo (probably WC).


I don't have idea who for IAM, Orica, Androni (probably WC), Bardiani (probably WC).

For the last two WC spot is a fight between Europcar, CCC, MTN, Caja Rural (Arroyo?), Bora and Cofidis.