Giro d'Italia 2016 Rumours

[hfer07]

I like it a LOT

*Proper amount of TTing
*Lots of Medium Mountain stages

Highlights:
Stage 3- a nice setup for stage hunters
Stage 4 - nice hilly stage
Stage 5 - nice soft MTF
Stage 8 - The first real MTF
Stage 9- nice and tricky stage hunters setup
Stage 12- lengthy one with some interesting bumps and a steep finish
Stage 14 Individual TT with a decent length (59.2 k)
Stage 15 MTF to get back time lost in the ITT
Stage 16 - Mortirolo- Aprica combo made even tougher with the two previous mountains
Stage 18 - A medium Mountain stage to create surprises
Stage 19 - A KILLER 236 K long Stage w/ MTF
Stage 20 - 196 K long stage with the Finestre-Sestriere combo

Not sure if trolling or did you really look up the 2015 route?

opps

 

[Sciocco]

I like it a LOT

*Proper amount of TTing
*Lots of Medium Mountain stages

Highlights:
Stage 3- a nice setup for stage hunters
Stage 4 - nice hilly stage
Stage 5 - nice soft MTF
Stage 8 - The first real MTF
Stage 9- nice and tricky stage hunters setup
Stage 12- lengthy one with some interesting bumps and a steep finish
Stage 14 Individual TT with a decent length (59.2 k)
Stage 15 MTF to get back time lost in the ITT
Stage 16 - Mortirolo- Aprica combo made even tougher with the two previous mountains
Stage 18 - A medium Mountain stage to create surprises
Stage 19 - A KILLER 236 K long Stage w/ MTF
Stage 20 - 196 K long stage with the Finestre-Sestriere combo

Not sure if trolling or did you really look up the 2015 route?

I'm confused.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re:

Big 4 of the Giro next year: Landa, Dumoulin, Nibali and.. Uran?

I don't really know about Uran. Not sure he has what it takes to win a GT. But it must be him.

Dumoulin? I have heard Tour + Rio from his camp.

I dont think we should underestimate Chaves, either. Could easily podium with the attendants so far, but Majka is probably the better bet. Otherwise we just wait and see what Pinot does and some outside shots such as Tejay, Valv etc.

 

[observer]

if porte doesn't do well here, he never will

 

[Arredondo]

Why is everyone expecting Valv to start in the Giro? He doesn't want to really. He wants to be in top shape in Rio, and therefore the Tour is the best GT to ride. He also loves the Tour, and not so much the bad weather in the Giro.

He only attented the presentation because he was already in Italy and wants to create some goodwill in a country where he isn't that popular (CONI history and not allowed to race in Italy in 2009)

Guys like Valverde, Purito and Pinot will ride the Tour. 100% sure of it.

 

[WheelofGear]

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if porte doesn't do well here, he never will

He doesn't ride it, ffs. It has been mentioned 100 times now. He is tired of the Giro and hungry for the Tour.

 

[WheelofGear]

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Why is everyone expecting Valv to start in the Giro? He doesn't want to really. He wants to be in top shape in Rio, and therefore the Tour is the best GT to ride. He also loves the Tour, and not so much the bad weather in the Giro.

He only attented the presentation because he was already in Italy and wants to create some goodwill in a country where he isn't that popular (CONI history and not allowed to race in Italy in 2009)

Guys like Valverde, Purito and Pinot will ride the Tour. 100% sure of it.

A hard Tour can take its toll on these guys. From what I've heard, there are many riders who are avoiding the Tour in order to be super-fresh for the Olympics.

Purito is exceped to be at the start by race director Mauro Vegni and Pinot is considering it too.
http://www.sport365.fr/autres-sports/cyclisme/fdj-pinot-sur-giro-en-2016-1273654.shtml

 

[May0maniac]

Re: Re:

Why is everyone expecting Valv to start in the Giro? He doesn't want to really. He wants to be in top shape in Rio, and therefore the Tour is the best GT to ride. He also loves the Tour, and not so much the bad weather in the Giro.

He only attented the presentation because he was already in Italy and wants to create some goodwill in a country where he isn't that popular (CONI history and not allowed to race in Italy in 2009)

Guys like Valverde, Purito and Pinot will ride the Tour. 100% sure of it.

A hard Tour can take its toll on these guys. From what I've heard, there are many riders who are avoiding the Tour in order to be super-fresh for the Olympics.

Purito is exceped to be at the start by race director Mauro Vegni and Pinot is considering it too.
http://www.sport365.fr/autres-sports/cyclisme/fdj-pinot-sur-giro-en-2016-1273654.shtml

Yes, Poland will also start earlier than usual (12.07 - 18.07), so you could ride the Giro, rest for over a month, then Poland as a preparation race for the Olympics.

 

[WheelofGear]

Yeah, and perhaps add Austria as a warm-up race to the warm-up race (Poland) to keep the muscles going. But Poland is even better with the WT points and all that.

And it's not a bad build-up for those who are racing the Vuelta. They should be fit after the Olympics.

 

[fauniera]

Of the medal winners in London only one (Vino) rode the Tour, the other two (Uran and Kristoff) rode the Giro and Poland.

 

[WheelofGear]

Riding the Tour before the Olympics is the original "Vino option".

 

[guncha]

It looks like a strange route to me. It has some nice mountain stages, it has more ITT kms than TDF 2015. I like that first week is soft and time trialists will have a chance to get time on climbers. The hardest mountain stages are in 2nd part of the race. But I wasn't able to find any HC MTF, maybe I did not search hard enough...
I'll give it 7.

 

[Arredondo]

Re: Re:

Why is everyone expecting Valv to start in the Giro? He doesn't want to really. He wants to be in top shape in Rio, and therefore the Tour is the best GT to ride. He also loves the Tour, and not so much the bad weather in the Giro.

He only attented the presentation because he was already in Italy and wants to create some goodwill in a country where he isn't that popular (CONI history and not allowed to race in Italy in 2009)

Guys like Valverde, Purito and Pinot will ride the Tour. 100% sure of it.

A hard Tour can take its toll on these guys. From what I've heard, there are many riders who are avoiding the Tour in order to be super-fresh for the Olympics.

Purito is exceped to be at the start by race director Mauro Vegni and Pinot is considering it too.
http://www.sport365.fr/autres-sports/cyclisme/fdj-pinot-sur-giro-en-2016-1273654.shtml

Purito himself said he will likely do the Tour.

And Purito and Valv (although perhaps he wants) will not ride for GC in the Tour. Just targeting some stages, in order to be fresh and in super shape for Rio. You can't create Tour-compensation in training.

 

[WheelofGear]

Yeah, but he said that weeks before the race director announced that he was excepted to start at the Giro. He might have changed his mind.

Although I have to say this Giro doesn't look that good for him. I can't find many stages that suits his characteristics. It's so bad for him that the mountain time trial is the stage that suits him the most.

Most of the mountain stages require that you have so balls to attack from far out and he has never been that kind of rider. It's tailor-made for Nibali, but could suit other brave riders like Landa as well.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

Why is everyone expecting Valv to start in the Giro? He doesn't want to really. He wants to be in top shape in Rio, and therefore the Tour is the best GT to ride. He also loves the Tour, and not so much the bad weather in the Giro.

He only attented the presentation because he was already in Italy and wants to create some goodwill in a country where he isn't that popular (CONI history and not allowed to race in Italy in 2009)

Guys like Valverde, Purito and Pinot will ride the Tour. 100% sure of it.

A hard Tour can take its toll on these guys. From what I've heard, there are many riders who are avoiding the Tour in order to be super-fresh for the Olympics.

Purito is exceped to be at the start by race director Mauro Vegni and Pinot is considering it too.
http://www.sport365.fr/autres-sports/cyclisme/fdj-pinot-sur-giro-en-2016-1273654.shtml

Purito himself said he will likely do the Tour.

And Purito and Valv (although perhaps he wants) will not ride for GC in the Tour. Just targeting some stages, in order to be fresh and in super shape for Rio. You can't create Tour-compensation in training.

If Valv doesnt ride GC at the Tour, I dont think he would make any sense of riding it. And considering he got his podium and the route soutes him well, there are better chances than usual. And I dont think anybody expects him to attend the Giro, I guess many of just are hoping.

And its a good debate whether Giro + Poland or Tour is the best way in order to be at your best in Rio. I think its individually since some riders simply can't peak again after a Giro, while it also varies greatly how good different riders are a couple of weeks after the Tour.

 

[WheelofGear]

Don't listen to Arredondo, Valv. He always sounds bitter when it comes to Valverde.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Valverde said he wanted to go for another TDF podium next year. I have no idea where this stage hunting talk comes from, as Bala is obsessed with the Tour GC.

He probably thinks he can do better than third with the right prep and a bit of luck. Remember that none of the GC guys crashed out this year.

 

[Arredondo]

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Don't listen to Arredondo, Valv. He always sounds bitter when it comes to Valverde.

What the heck are you talking about? I haven't talked negative about him in this topic at all

 

[Arredondo]

Re: Re:

Why is everyone expecting Valv to start in the Giro? He doesn't want to really. He wants to be in top shape in Rio, and therefore the Tour is the best GT to ride. He also loves the Tour, and not so much the bad weather in the Giro.

He only attented the presentation because he was already in Italy and wants to create some goodwill in a country where he isn't that popular (CONI history and not allowed to race in Italy in 2009)

Guys like Valverde, Purito and Pinot will ride the Tour. 100% sure of it.

A hard Tour can take its toll on these guys. From what I've heard, there are many riders who are avoiding the Tour in order to be super-fresh for the Olympics.

Purito is exceped to be at the start by race director Mauro Vegni and Pinot is considering it too.
http://www.sport365.fr/autres-sports/cyclisme/fdj-pinot-sur-giro-en-2016-1273654.shtml

Purito himself said he will likely do the Tour.

And Purito and Valv (although perhaps he wants) will not ride for GC in the Tour. Just targeting some stages, in order to be fresh and in super shape for Rio. You can't create Tour-compensation in training.

If Valv doesnt ride GC at the Tour, I dont think he would make any sense of riding it. And considering he got his podium and the route soutes him well, there are better chances than usual. And I dont think anybody expects him to attend the Giro, I guess many of just are hoping.

And its a good debate whether Giro + Poland or Tour is the best way in order to be at your best in Rio. I think its individually since some riders simply can't peak again after a Giro, while it also varies greatly how good different riders are a couple of weeks after the Tour.

But you also have to keep in mind that, if you are doing the Giro with the intention to win it, which should be the objective for Valverde, you can not be at 100% in shape for the Ardennes races.

Just look at Purito in the past. If you decide to be in super shape for the classics, you're coming up short in the 3rd week of the Giro. But if you want to be in your best shape in the 3rd week of the Giro, you come up short in the Ardennes races.

The big 'monster' is that race in Rio. If you really want to win that race, you have to make choices. And i think it's better for Purito and Valverde to just target the Ardennes races and going to the Tour with the intention to win some stages and building towards your best form with Rio in your mind. I think this is a better approach then Ardennes races at 90% + Giro + building a 2nd peak after that.

 

[jsem94]

Actually, Valverde has NEVER raced the Giro. And I don't expect him to ever be on the start line in his entire career.

 

[Arredondo]

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Valverde said he wanted to go for another TDF podium next year. I have no idea where this stage hunting talk comes from, as Bala is obsessed with the Tour GC.

He probably thinks he can do better than third with the right prep and a bit of luck. Remember that none of the GC guys crashed out this year.

But 1 of the big four did falter horrible in the first two weeks, and one of them rode the Giro.

The difference between Froome and Valverde was 5 minutes in the end. Winning the Tour is impossible.

 

[Rollthedice]

Even if Valverde thinks of himself as the best Spanish rider of his generation, a win in TdF is impossible but that won't prevent him to try until he retires to get on the podium. I'd say 1% that he will do the Giro which is a bit sad.

 

[Arredondo]

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Even if Valverde thinks of himself as the best Spanish rider of his generation, a win in TdF is impossible but that won't prevent him to try until he retires to get on the podium. I'd say 1% that he will do the Giro which is a bit sad.

You know he's got that already?

 

[WheelofGear]

I like that you didn't respond to my claim that it's because Purito can't win a stage or be competive in next year's Giro. I can see through you, you desperately want him to become a stage hunter in the Tour instead of participating in the Giro. But Mauro Vegni said that he will be at the start line a couple of days ago.

 

[Arredondo]

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I like that you didn't respond to my claim that it's because Purito can't win a stage or be competive in next year's Giro. I can see through you, you desperately want him to become a stage hunter in the Tour instead of participating in the Giro. But Mauro Vegni said that he will be at the start line a couple of days ago.

Actually i don't really care if the rides the Giro or Tour. I want him to be in super shape in Fleche and Liege. One final shot for victory there. After the Ardennes races, he can hunt for stages in the Giro. If he does that, he can win 2/3 stages.

But i can understand completely if he rides the Tour. Best thing he can do with Rio in mind. But doing the Giro is a possibility too.