Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 15: Tolmezzo – Sappada 176 km

[LaFlorecita]

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I am wondering if we are seeing the beginning of the end of Froome

we saw Contador have a great day followed by a poor day at the end

I get you, and I am wondering as well. But I don't think we ever saw something like this from Berto, he rather had many poor days and then one or two okay days (last TDF), or many decent to good days and then one or two bad days (last Vuelta). Inconsistency can be a sign of a decline I suppose but Froome's highs and lows are so far apart, you have to wonder.

 

[Blanco]

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That tom made it back is indicative of the absolute jokers in that group

Carapaz especially is the biggest clown i've ever seen.

No, he was the smartest of them, he rode just like he should have. Others not so much...

 

[movingtarget]

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Yates the obvious star today, and (from what I saw) Pinot/Pozzo were the losers. I do think Dumoulin was cooked when they gapped him. Had Pinot/Pozzo just rode steadily instead of continually yapping/looking at Carapaz/MAL, they could have taken 30 seconds off him, and cut Yates's advantage. Pinot (of whom I'm a fan) looked like he was wasting a lot of energy that could have been better spent going forward in pursuit of Yates or distancing Dumoulin...he could have ridden himself into second place today...still, great stage all around!

It's probably a little early to bury Froome and Aru, but they sure looked like riders whose time has passed.

Aru is done. Froome can at least do better in the TT.

 

[yaco]

Pinot, Pozzovivo and Pinot suffered from the competition between the South American riders to win the White jersey competition - Not that anyone would suspect Lopez and Carapaz would fight for this jersey.

 

[jaylew]

Would be nice to finally see Pozzo get on a GT podium. This seems like his best (and possibly last) shot at it.

 

[phanatic]

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Pinot, Pozzovivo and Pinot suffered from the competition between the South American riders to win the White jersey competition - Not that anyone would suspect Lopez and Carapaz would fight for this jersey.

That makes sense if they're getting a lot of press.

 

[JosephK]

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Pinot correctly pointing out the lack of work by Carapaz and Lopez as key to that group not catching Yates.

If you're Dumoulin or Pinot you shouldn't be giving a **** about what Carapaz and Lopez are doing. They are effectively 5+ minutes behind, given the TT to come. If they sit on and jump off into the distance with 2km to go, who cares? Froome and Dumoulin should take responsibility themselves and race against Froome and Yates.

This I do agree with to a degree, dumo in particular today was far too worried about others intent then his own race. Hes a rider who likes to ride with principles and we've seen a few times in the past that he can get annoyed when other riders don't do what he perceived as right.

The thing is, if he would have led the descent himself they would have co-operated and they would have closed the gap. Yates perhaps still would have won on the uphill finish, but now he was gifting Yates 30ish seconds which weren't necessary. But I guess that he was completely spent at the top of the Costalissoio, otherwise there's no excuse.

Yeah I'm pretty sure he would have just ridden his own pace if he had the petrol to do so. He has form in this area. I think he was out of gas and probably took his frustration out on the others tactics.

Obviously I'm a fan of Tom, but he probably needs to understand that riders don't always have the same goals as him. I think letting his emotions get the better of him only made him ride worse.

Me, too (fan of Tom), and I see what you're saying . . . and I agree that his annoyance with the group's failure to work together was apparent. But in the end, I think he rode very well -- as good as he was going to be able to ride today. I think yesterday's effort was still in his legs today.

 

[Blanco]

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Pinot correctly pointing out the lack of work by Carapaz and Lopez as key to that group not catching Yates.

If you're Dumoulin or Pinot you shouldn't be giving a **** about what Carapaz and Lopez are doing. They are effectively 5+ minutes behind, given the TT to come. If they sit on and jump off into the distance with 2km to go, who cares? Froome and Dumoulin should take responsibility themselves and race against Froome and Yates.

This I do agree with to a degree, dumo in particular today was far too worried about others intent then his own race. Hes a rider who likes to ride with principles and we've seen a few times in the past that he can get annoyed when other riders don't do what he perceived as right.

And what about a principle to take responsibility to chase your direct rival?! That one is not on his list it seems

 

[Brullnux]

Ciccone in blue! Well, sort of. Hopefully he can take the points on the way to Bardonecchia and Cervinia and wrestle it from yates.

 

[yaco]

Breakaway riders better hope that the Sky Train is back to its best in the TDF as they allow breaks to succeed - Otherwise it will be more slim pickings.

 

[yaco]

I expect Yates to lose 2+ minutes in the ITT - As long as he is within a minute of Dumoulin and holds his form he will win the Giro.

 

[Climbing]

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I expect Yates to lose 2+ minutes in the ITT - As long as he is within a minute of Dumoulin and holds his form he will win the Giro.

With this form, I'd say 2 mins at worst, probably 1:30

 

[pink_jersey]

FFS, Yates is as explosive as Purito but also with an engine like Nibali/Evans He's incredible. When he attacks he leaves them all in the dust because he's super explosive(Adam Yates did the same in Tirreno) but after the attack unlike Purito can sustain a very high rhythm.

 

[Blanco]

I would like to go back to EF Drapac team and their tactics and display in today's stage. What the *** was that?!!!
First they missed the break, then they burned all their riders in the chase to allow Michael Woods, 12th in the GC some 30-40 sec from top 10, to attack from 70km out on a stage which finish suits him just fine, just to see him losing more than 4 minutes and ending miles away from top 10.
Their DS should be fired on the spot.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Btw, the reason why Oomen suddenly started riding was the following: They heard Sky was planning something in the downhill, but the group was still pretty big which made Dumoulin worried. So to be more comfortable in the descend Oomen thinned out the group.
Dumoulin went into the downhill as 3rd and then made the tiny split on the group with Froome on the climb were Yates went.

 

[Amazinmets87]

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I am wondering if we are seeing the beginning of the end of Froome

we saw Contador have a great day followed by a poor day at the end

Contador won his last GT at 32 years 4 months. Froome turned 33 today. Wonder what the O/U is on him winning another GT?

 

[Red Rick]

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Btw, the reason why Oomen suddenly started riding was the following: They heard Sky was planning something in the downhill, but the group was still pretty big which made Dumoulin worried. So to be more comfortable in the descend Oomen thinned out the group.
Dumoulin went into the downhill as 3rd and then made the tiny split on the group with Froome on the climb were Yates went.

Yeah, smart decision.

Oomen very good today, doing most of the work on the San Antonio and still finishing top 10 on the stage.

 

[Gigs_98]

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I would like to go back to EF Drapac team and their tactics and display in today's stage. What the **** was that?!!!
First they missed the break, then they burned all their riders in the chase to allow Michael Woods, 12th in the GC some 30-40 sec from top 10, to attack from 70km out on a stage which finish suits him just fine, just to see him losing more than 4 minutes and ending miles away from top 10.
Their DS should be fired on the spot.

This :lol:
You don't attack with 70 kilometers to go when there are still long flat or at least false flat sections left, when you don't have a teammate in front and can expect that the gc teams will ride very fast for most of the stage.

 

[bigcog]

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Yates - there is no other explanation, than that his performance is fueled by clinic stuff ... .

While he does have history in that area, I haven't seen anything too over the top here.

He has climbing VAMs we haven`t seen since the 90s.

Figures ?

 

[Lequack]

I haven't seen the pink jersey being honored like this in a while, just an assertion of dominance and attacking all the way. Reminds me of the good old days without the power meters and radios and the trains.

 

[Pantani_lives]

After today Yates is a heavy favorite to win the Giro. He will probably still be in pink after the ITT. The only danger seems to be a bad day in one of the final mountain stages, but more likely his opponents will be the ones with another bad day.

Dumoulin is still his main rival. Today he made a mistake by letting Oomen waste his energy on the San Antonio. He could have been a crucial help in that final descent.

Pinot and Pozzo are becoming something of a comical side plot, riding against each other for that third podium spot. It's understandable, because they have already finished fourth and fifth. However they should have collaborated to gain more time on Froome, who's still in contention for the third place as well.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

The good old days..yeah, they turned out not to be so good didn't they?

 

[Velolover2]

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FFS, Yates is as explosive as Purito but also with an engine like Nibali/Evans He's incredible. When he attacks he leaves them all in the dust because he's super explosive(Adam Yates did the same in Tirreno) but after the attack unlike Purito can sustain a very high rhythm.

Purito had one of the best engines (in mountains and hills) in the peloton besides his signature punch. What he lacked was guts and ability to gamble big. Had he been more brave, he could have won the double in 2012.

The Yates brothers are Purito-types who the race harder terrain a bit more like cobbled classics. And that is exactly what we need.

 

[Jspear]

I was so sick of Froomes result yesterday, I stayed away from cycling sites. My joy has been restored! Can’t wait to watch the stage.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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I wonder what that means for the TT. So Yates 35.7km/h for the last 3,5km, Dumoulin 37,2.. 330 vs 390W after a super tough stage