Giro d'Italia 2018: Stage 20: Susa - Cervinia, 214 KM

[Tonton]

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Kreuziger to win the stage from breakaway, Yates to attempt a O. Perireo, Sky to implode from FDJ, Astana, and Sunweb setting a high pace, Pinot to win GC with a Falcon descent. Forum to be in total disbelief and crash for 5 hours.

Yes, the forum would crash as I'm posting 10,000 "O my God, o my God" posts in less than 3 minutes .

 

[movingtarget]

Nothing seems set in stone in this race. Expect another shake up in the top 10 but maybe tiredness keeps the gaps low. It would be unheard of for Sky to lose a GT at this point but this has been one crazy race.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Kreuziger to win the stage from breakaway, Yates to attempt a O. Perireo, Sky to implode from FDJ, Astana, and Sunweb setting a high pace, Pinot to win GC with a Falcon descent. Forum to be in total disbelief and crash for 5 hours.

Quite possible, maybe even Aru can sneak back and go in the break.

 

[Sandisfan]

I read where Dumo said on one of the descents he slowed and waited for Riechenbach (SP)? Thinking he would help pull later and and gave up 10, 20, 30 seconds or so because of it. Now if he hadn't waited we don't know how much of a difference that would have made but probably some. I guess the only hope is that his teammates realized very early that they wouldn't be able to help this day and rode very easily the rest of the stage and after the big effort from Foome's teammates Tom has the stronger team tomorrow. Oh who am I kidding we will just have to put up with Froome winning here. I would rather Simon or Dumo would win.

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[SHAD0W93]

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Kreuziger to win the stage from breakaway, Yates to attempt a O. Perireo, Sky to implode from FDJ, Astana, and Sunweb setting a high pace, Pinot to win GC with a Falcon descent. Forum to be in total disbelief and crash for 5 hours.

I forgot to add Yates will finish second and there will be a uproar that Kreuziger didn't let him win to get the 4".

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

Kreuziger to win the stage from breakaway, Yates to attempt a O. Perireo, Sky to implode from FDJ, Astana, and Sunweb setting a high pace, Pinot to win GC with a Falcon descent. Forum to be in total disbelief and crash for 5 hours.

Quite possible, maybe even Aru can sneak back and go in the break.

Aru has left the race. O'Connor also.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Dumo cracks a little but Froome does a Yates and loses 30 minutes. The mythical Tibo Pino finishes the stage second to Lopez in the same time and wins the Giro.

Yes please!

 

[120mmStem]

Was Froome's power meter stuck on 350 on the Finestre?

 

[gregrowlerson]

There's also a chance that one of Froome/Dumoulin will pay big price for today losing a lot of time. If one of them cracks tomorrow the other will win but what if both crack? Imagine this scenario: the race would be turned around again with 3 new candidates for victory :surprised:

Yes please !

I seriously had not seen your reply before my reply! :lol:

 

[gregrowlerson]

Re: Re:

Kreuziger to win the stage from breakaway, Yates to attempt a O. Perireo, Sky to implode from FDJ, Astana, and Sunweb setting a high pace, Pinot to win GC with a Falcon descent. Forum to be in total disbelief and crash for 5 hours.

I forgot to add Yates will finish second and there will be a uproar that Kreuziger didn't let him win to get the 4".

Perfect end to an epic three weeks!

 

[jaylew]

The last climb looks good for Dumo but I think Froome would really have to crack for him to get enough time there. I don't know if just another off day would be enough.

 

[Tonton]

There's also a chance that one of Froome/Dumoulin will pay big price for today losing a lot of time. If one of them cracks tomorrow the other will win but what if both crack? Imagine this scenario: the race would be turned around again with 3 new candidates for victory :surprised:

Yes please !

I seriously had not seen your reply before my reply! :lol:

Give me mayhem tomorrow and I shall give you the Deliverer. Il Grandissimo Tibopino. So let it be written, so let it be done. The race started in the Holy land. My interpretion of the 10 plagues may have been inaccurate, but when the 10 Commandments meets StarWars, may the force be with Tibopino, stage 20 defending Champion, living proof that you can be one of us and win. Whatever he wins. He will be strong tomorrow.

 

[Cookster15]

I think the likelihood of Froome cracking tomorrow is far higher than Dumo.

 

[Singer01]

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I think the likelihood of Froome cracking tomorrow is far higher than Dumo.

That sounds like the wish being father to the thought.

 

[Cookster15]

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I think the likelihood of Froome cracking tomorrow is far higher than Dumo.

That sounds like the wish being father to the thought.

How so? Froome cracked after Zoncolan. Froome lost time earlier in the race it was obvious he isn't at his peak for whatever reason(s). Today's stage would have expended far, far more energy than he did to Zoncolan. I think he was a little underdone coming into this race so is more likely to pay for his extreme effort today than Dumuloun who has measured his efforts. I think Froome will be vulnerable tomorrow. No wish, just facts and logic.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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I think the likelihood of Froome cracking tomorrow is far higher than Dumo.

That sounds like the wish being father to the thought.

How so? Froome cracked after Zoncolan. Froome lost time earlier in the race it was obvious he isn't at his peak for whatever reason(s). Today's stage would have expended far, far more energy than he did to Zoncolan. I think he was a little underdone coming into this race so is more likely to pay for his extreme effort today than Dumuloun who has measured his efforts. I think Froome will be vulnerable tomorrow. No wish, just facts and logic.

That could well happen and I've long given up trying to predict what will happen in this race, but its pretty clear he has timed his peak to perfection to be strongest in week 3. He has every chance of backing it up with another strong ride.

Everyone was on their limit today, it will just come down to who can recover best.

 

[Singer01]

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I think the likelihood of Froome cracking tomorrow is far higher than Dumo.

That sounds like the wish being father to the thought.

How so? Froome cracked after Zoncolan. Froome lost time earlier in the race it was obvious he isn't at his peak for whatever reason(s). Today's stage would have expended far, far more energy than he did to Zoncolan. I think he was a little underdone coming into this race so is more likely to pay for his extreme effort today than Dumuloun who has measured his efforts. I think Froome will be vulnerable tomorrow. No wish, just facts and logic.

Froome's form is clearly on an upward trajectory, Dumoulin has previous for cracking recently in multi climb stages of grand tours while Froome does not, Dumoulin probably used just as much energy as Froome today, Froome has a very strong team who all look like they are riding into form and had a pretty easy second half to the stage once Froome went off.
That isn't to say that Froome won't crack, just that out of the two Dumoulin is far more likely, especially since he will have to go into the red to drop the sky train (probably) while Froome just needs to follow wheels.

 

[The Barb]

Probably one for the break. Sky will ride tempo and Sunweb won’t be able to do anything.

Luis Leon Sanchez (monstrous form lately) and Jack Haig the best candidates for me.

Interested to see if Miguel Angel Lopez tries something to gets podium. I hope so, rather than just riding to protect white jersey.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Meh my enthousiasm for Lopez has dropped. He is too much of a one trick pony. Follow the wheels and attack late on a mountain, and then he doesnt even gain much or get passed enough. Just an average version of Purito but bad at short steep walls. Yates did his trick better

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Serious question: How many points separate the sprinters Jersey? With two intermediate sprints before any uphill, could Bennett put himself in range to take the jersey on the last stage?

 

[search]

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Serious question: How many points separate the sprinters Jersey? With two intermediate sprints before any uphill, could Bennett put himself in range to take the jersey on the last stage?

yes, he can put himself in the range that could get him the win if Viviani crashes and doesn't score points tomorrow. But I don't think he will even go for it. The more interesting fight should be the one for the mountain jersey.

I forecast a nice Sanchez-Ciccone fight - with Froome winning it in the end, because the steal too many points form each other

 

[HelloDolly]

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Meh my enthousiasm for Lopez has dropped. He is too much of a one trick pony. Follow the wheels and attack late on a mountain, and then he doesnt even gain much or get passed enough. Just an average version of Purito but bad at short steep walls. Yates did his trick better

+1
For me Pinot deserves the podium above MAL....Yesterday Pinot rode and tried to get time
MAL just wheel sucked

 

[DNP-Old]

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Meh my enthousiasm for Lopez has dropped. He is too much of a one trick pony. Follow the wheels and attack late on a mountain, and then he doesnt even gain much or get passed enough. Just an average version of Purito but bad at short steep walls. Yates did his trick better

+1
For me Pinot deserves the podium above MAL....Yesterday Pinot rode and tried to get time
MAL just wheel sucked

Give me one, just one, reason why Superman should have been helping with the chase.

 

[The Barb]

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Serious question: How many points separate the sprinters Jersey? With two intermediate sprints before any uphill, could Bennett put himself in range to take the jersey on the last stage?

yes, he can put himself in the range that could get him the win if Viviani crashes and doesn't score points tomorrow. But I don't think he will even go for it. The more interesting fight should be the one for the mountain jersey.

I forecast a nice Sanchez-Ciccone fight - with Froome winning it in the end, because the steal too many points form each other

It's pretty hard for Froome (123) to lose the Mountains classification from here but if he does it will be Yates (91) Pinot (70) or Ciccone (52) not Luis Leon Sanchez (22).

LLS would need maximum points on all three climbs and for Froome to get no more than 4 to win.

It would be a major surprise if Yates could bounce back and pick up enough to win.

Pinot can't get into the break, so his prospects of any points on the first climb are minimal, meaning he would need big points on the second and third, with Froome getting few. Not likely at all.

So that really only leaves Ciccone. He needs to get into the break (not easy for him, given the flat start) get maximum over the first two climbs, then finish ahead of Froome at the finish. Not impossible, if he gets in the break and they go ten minutes up the road, but obviously the odds are heavily in Froome's favour.

And fair enough too. The breakaways have had so little success in this Giro that the Mountains classification should to to either Yates or Froome.

 

[search]

Re: Re:

Serious question: How many points separate the sprinters Jersey? With two intermediate sprints before any uphill, could Bennett put himself in range to take the jersey on the last stage?

yes, he can put himself in the range that could get him the win if Viviani crashes and doesn't score points tomorrow. But I don't think he will even go for it. The more interesting fight should be the one for the mountain jersey.

I forecast a nice Sanchez-Ciccone fight - with Froome winning it in the end, because the steal too many points form each other

It's pretty hard for Froome (123) to lose the Mountains classification from here but if he does it will be Yates (91) Pinot (70) or Ciccone (52) not Luis Leon Sanchez (22).

LLS would need maximum points on all three climbs and for Froome to get no more than 4 to win.

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So that really only leaves Ciccone. He needs to get into the break (not easy for him, given the flat start) get maximum over the first two climbs, then finish ahead of Froome at the finish. Not impossible, if he gets in the break and they go ten minutes up the road, but obviously the odds are heavily in Froome's favour.

the situation isn't that different for Sanchez and Ciccone. Get in the break (that makes it to the end), win all three climbs, get the jersey.