Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2021 stage 16: Sacile - Cortina d'Ampezzo 212km

[Red Rick]

"It just a bike race" is a nonargument when it handwaves away bad precedents that take away enjoyment and spirit of the sport.

 

[Red Rick]

Look on the bright side, they'll definitely put Fedaia back in for next year, right? Right!?

Bernal is totally gonna lose the Giro on the Agnello this year.

 

[the delgados]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone here know if images from the famous 1988 Gavia Pass stage were still photos or live footage?
Were the cameras rolling at the summit where riders were stopping for many minutes just to get some semblance of warmth before descending the mountain?

 

[Pricey_sky]

Yeah, but thats not an argument for doing a horrible job regarding the cancellation. Two horrible jobs doesnt justify it. We all know today that RAI in its current state is a bunch of amateurs, it is what it is. Hopefully they will sort it out, but arguing that scrapping two legendary climbs is somewhat okay because we wouldn't have seen it anyways is horse IMO.

I agree, but that wasn’t my point.

I’ve seen a lot of comments from people on social media that they missed seeing riders take on 2 great climbs, whereas actually they wouldn’t have seen a thing.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Andorra 2016 at the Tour another example. From perfect sunny conditions to heavy rain (and even hail, from what I remember) in a matter of minutes.

Exactly. This is a question about being reasonable. No one demands unreasonable things from the riders and everyone applauds the fact that they cancelled that exact stage I was talking about. But they knew they were going to race this exact stage and they know there would be a good possibility of it being cold. Everything was out there to be seen, RCS didn't suddenly add another climb for fun. But we can demand as spectators that the riders will ride the stages if weather isnt extreme which it was far from. Nothing about today was extreme. Very hard, sure, but not extreme.

 

[pastronef]

Dolomites - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But then you could say that stage 20 in 2019 with Rolle counts.

I dont even know which stages was it. maybe the one Bilbao won?

 

[Red Rick]

I dont even know which stages was it. maybe the one Bilbao won?

That's the one. Weird stage design tbh.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I agree, but that wasn’t my point.

I’ve seen a lot of comments from people on social media that they missed seeing riders take on 2 great climbs, whereas actually they wouldn’t have seen a thing.

Most likely no, but these things should be judged separately from each other. I think thats a way too easy cop-out.

 

[Red Rick]

Most likely no, but these things should be judged separately from each other. I think thats a way too easy cop-out.

Using one problem to excuse another. Lot of that going around these days.

 

[pastronef]

That's the one. Weird stage design tbh.

I´ll check on procyclingstats. yes, I live in the total ignorance about current and past Giro stages (not if they are in the western Alps in Piedmont, like Agnello, Sestriere, Finestre, Lombarda etc.) near home

 

[Lequack]

Meanwhile Pogacar got inspired by the cold weather as well. Around Mont Blanc:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396522353539039237

View: https://twitter.com/Cedric_Torelli/status/1396522353539039237?s=20

 

[Valv.Piti]

Using one problem to excuse another. Lot of that going around these days.

It makes no sense - as I said earlier, two wrongs doesnt make a right.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

The forum has set a new record for posts in a thread per minute broadcast.

 

[Netserk]

And this is not wrestling, it's a sporting competition. And it's not sporting to remove the two climbs for no good reason.

 

[Netserk]

The forum has set a new record for posts in a thread per minute broadcast.

2013 Giro d'Italia, Stage19: Ponte Di Legno - Val Martello/Martelltal 160 kms

While it looks like the battle for La Maglia Rosa has ended, there are still questions that remain unanswered........ Like which part of this stage actually is gonna happen:o New route profilr: Technical overview: Last Climb:

forum.cyclingnews.com

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Did they not announce that the times were to be taken on the top of the Giau, and the descent was only to determine finishing order? That would have been odd, but even worse if they said that would be the case and then did not apply it.

 

[staubsauger]

A pity the stage was shortened, Bardet could have gained more time in his bid for a podium place.

There's only one stage that suits him like a glove later in the race.

It seriously looks like RAI, RCS & CPA have stolen a podium spot from Bardet by excluding Fedaia & Pordoi.

Potentially even a 2nd place. Because as good as Caruso has ridden, his issue always has been endurance & recovery to bring his performances from the Tour of Switzerland on the parquet over 3 weeks.

It really is a crime if the main-issue the impossible TV coverage, which was non-existent now anyway.

You could've transmitted the stage delayed. Or at least could've sent recorded images from the Fedaia, Pordoi & Giau via 4G once there's network access again to create a 2 hours highlight show for RAI, Eurosport, L'Equipe etc.

Now, we didn't get to see anything noteworthy either. But the sporting impact for a guy like Bardet, might end up being dramatic. Also for his value as a gc rider!

If it's true what Copeland said and Basso suggested between the lines, this is not okay IMHO!

The weather didn't look worse than what a mailman has to deal with during fall season. Yes, the mailman of course the mailman doesn't need to descent Dolomites cols, but in Scandinavia or Scotland there might be slippery downhill sections as well and these are professional cyclists, which apparently intended to race actually.

 

[Red Rick]

Did they not announce that the times were to be taken on the top of the Giau, and the descent was only to determine finishing order? That would have been odd, but even worse if they said that would be the case and then did not apply it.

I think it was considered in case of snow.

Anyway Bernal basically showed how much he benefitted from the Iseran stage being shortened in 2019

 

[Publiuszam]

It seriously looks like RAI, RCS & CPA have stolen a podium spot from Bardet by excluding Fedaia & Pordoi.

Potentially even a 2nd place. Because as good as Caruso has ridden, his issue always has been endurance & recovery to bring his performances from the Tour of Switzerland on the parquet over 3 weeks.

It really is a crime if the main-issue the impossible TV coverage, which was non-existent now anyway.

You could've transmitted the stage delayed. Or at least could've sent recorded images from the Fedaia, Pordoi & Giau via 4G once there's network access again to create a 2 hours highlight show for RAI, Eurosport, L'Equipe etc.

Now, we didn't get to see anything noteworthy either. But the sporting impact for a guy like Bardet, might end up being dramatic. Also for his value as a gc rider!

If it's true what Copeland said and Basso suggested between the lines, this is not okay IMHO!

The weather didn't look worse than what a mailman has to deal with during fall season. Yes, the mailman of course the mailman doesn't need to descent Dolomites cols, but in Scandinavia or Scotland there might be slippery downhill sections as well and these are professional cyclists, which apparently intended to race actually.

What did Basso say?

 

[Netserk]

Did they not announce that the times were to be taken on the top of the Giau, and the descent was only to determine finishing order? That would have been odd, but even worse if they said that would be the case and then did not apply it.

It was only a rumour amidst the confusion over whether or not they would do the whole stage or not at the start of the day.

 

[staubsauger]

What did Basso say?

He did say that there was confusion, they originally wanted to race and then a whole lot of nothing if I remember correctly.

But something might have been missed in translation of course

And of course the riders didn't all want to ride the stage. But yeah, okay.

It still is injustice towards someone as Bardet who clearly has the skills to benefit from these conditions.

 

[BlueRoads]

How's the weather in the coming days? There are still two mountain stages where you can make a big difference.

 

[Escarabajo]

No disrespect intended, but he’s beating Caruso, Bardet (who hasn’t looked like a GC contender in years). That’s a long way from going head to head with the ski jumper and aspiring rapper. The others are solid on paper, but underperforming to an extent.

That's true. Besides Pogi was beaten than no other than over the hill Valverde in 2019. Last year Him and Rog defeated no other than the king of Willunga hill. I mean, it doesn't get better than that.

And yes, it doesn't always work properly when people start making mathematical calculations with A defeated B and B defeated C, therefore C has to be worse than A.

 

[SafeBet]

Just a random factoid: my friend was on top of the Giau (he's a hero) and his 4G was working just fine. He had all the network to "watch" the final descent on ES Player.

 

[Bonimenier]

How's the weather in the coming days? There are still two mountain stages where you can make a big difference.

At first glance the weather will be better