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They should retire Passo GIau in honor of Ben Swift's legendary ride over it in 2023, what tension, what drama!
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Start in Bellinzona, 30 km flat until start of Motta di Gribbio (from south) then two loops with Motta di Gribbio and Cari. Only 110-115 km, but 3900 meters of climbing and basically not a flat meter in the last 80 kilometers. Would've been really cool, but a 115 km mountain stage with two loops doesnt sound much like a Giro stage to me. Maybe if it was ASO.
In an unrealistic dreamworld:
Do these two loops of Gribbio+Cari and then after second Cari descend once again and then finish on Gotthardpass (155km, 5300m climbing) or take Gotthardpass and Furkapass before descending into finish to Goms/Ulrichen (200km, 6300m of climbing).
What’s a more competitive race- Pog vs Jonas in the 2026 Tour route or potentially Jonas vs Remco in the Giro, with potentially a very Remco friendly route? The Tour is designed to be close into the third week so I’ll go with that. But if it’s a soft Giro with say over 50k of itt, then who knows.
depends how long the first ITT is
If its around 50 km, we will finally have the TT vs climber battle we have wanted for some time (that Gouvenou is too dumb to give us)
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You DO know that 50 km of the race of truth is NOT soft.
first of all every legitimate GT should have a minimum of 100 kms of flat or rolling ITT.
And soft is the 1984 Giro where they cancelled mountain stages for no reason to benefit Moser.
100 kms of flat or rolling ITTs would force Vingo to attack like a crazy person. Why would that not be fun? Rather than seeing the lightest guy who can simply produce the most watts per kg on a climb win 10 MTFs. How is that a test of all around riding.
The 2012 Vuelta was THE worst race ever. The same 4 riders contesting 12 MTFs. The epitome of dull.
Modern GT routes have been a stain on cycling.
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Based on what I've seen for week 3 of the Giro, 100% Remco has no chance whatsoever against 100% Jonas. Anything under 5 minutes of advantage would be erased
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Wasn't Veghni quoted earlier in this thread on something about returning to the high mountains? At the current moment I can't see any other rumours than a couple of climbs in the Dolomites fitting this......?
Edit: If they will do Furka and Nufenen they will fit that description. But will we see a Cima Coppi completely outside Italy and not one of the border climbs like Agnello, Grand Bernard, etc...,?
Edit: If they will do Furka and Nufenen they will fit that description. But will we see a Cima Coppi completely outside Italy and not one of the border climbs like Agnello, Grand Bernard, etc...,?
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Fjuk, if they do that combo on the Piani Pezze stage, it could really be anything. Either soft pedalling until the last 5 kms or big attacks already on Giau, but I rather doubt the latter.....
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5 minutes is probably a bar too high (it can definitely happen though). But I'm pretty sure you will have Remco fans telling you Remco was only 3' behind Vingegaard in the 2024 TdF (they live and die for this Tour, specially when they want to justify how good Remco is in GTs)
5 minutes is high because Vingegaard is not like Pogacar, he is not so agressive and when he has a good gap for the second, he rides conservative.
In 2024, Vingegaard was much much more injured in thay Basque country crash than Remco. If anything, Remco was closer to 100% than Jonas. Besides, for most of the Tour, Jonas wasn't even thinking about Remco
I mean, what I see here is Jonas could drop Remco on any of the 2nd to last mountain then have someone in the valley to pull him into the last climb and on the remaining stage, he could drop Remco on that 12% climb. Jonas can be super aggressive if he needs to be, otherwise we wouldn't have Granon on 2022, Tourmalet in 2023, Madeleine this year. All these cases Jonas attacked on 2nd to last climb
It's hard to say. The riders from this year's Giro would've attacked on Giau, so maybe there's room to be optimistic
Wait a second, Muro di Ca del Poggio! In a stage-defining position! Vegni has realised his dream in his final race. Great to see
The main negative aspect is that you (probably) have Piancavallo the next day.....
No and my bet is that he isn’t going but he’s definitely implied he’s open to it. We shall see.
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That's why he, and his team kept racing after Evenepoel at Superdévoluy.
5min really just isn't enough, but keep thinking that. I'm looking forward to a Giro with both of them, will be more exciting than a TDF with all 3 of them.
actually, would make Cassano d'Adda to Cari and then Bellinzona to Madonna di Campiglio not make more sense?
RCS could denitely made better and sometimes much better design choiced the latest years without changing start and finish locations:
2021: Not much to complain about. The best mountain stage was shortened due to weather.
2022: The Aprica stage should of course been with Mortirolo the normal way. But the worst was Belluno to Passo Fedaia via San Pellegrino and Pordoi. Here they could rather have done Rolle, San Pellegrino and Fedaia and ended at Pordoi.
2023: Monte Lussari as the last mountain stage and after a big Tre Cime stage. This is by a margin the worst.
2024: This is a bit difficult, but it's pretty annoying that when they first have a stage finish in Val Gardena, it is too far from the start to connect it with any interesting climbs and end up with a murito at the end.
2025: Both the Bormio stage and the Champoluc stage could have been great, but due to other priorities and sequence of the stages ends up as a bit underwhelming.
2021: Not much to complain about. The best mountain stage was shortened due to weather.
2022: The Aprica stage should of course been with Mortirolo the normal way. But the worst was Belluno to Passo Fedaia via San Pellegrino and Pordoi. Here they could rather have done Rolle, San Pellegrino and Fedaia and ended at Pordoi.
2023: Monte Lussari as the last mountain stage and after a big Tre Cime stage. This is by a margin the worst.
2024: This is a bit difficult, but it's pretty annoying that when they first have a stage finish in Val Gardena, it is too far from the start to connect it with any interesting climbs and end up with a murito at the end.
2025: Both the Bormio stage and the Champoluc stage could have been great, but due to other priorities and sequence of the stages ends up as a bit underwhelming.
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