Giro d'Italia Stage 8: Chianciano - Monte Terminillo (189km)

[Andrichuk]

Nibali was much stronger than Basso yesterday. Might just be a bad day, who know? But I was quite surprised that Nibali had to wait for Basso as he could easily have minimized his losses if he didn't had to drag Basso up the ascent.

Basso looked like he hit the ground pretty hard in the crash today. I think once he recovers he will ride well.

 

[issoisso]

The Eurosport crew addressed that question a couple of days ago, and they said that when it was done without the canned sound, it looked weirdly odd, it just didn't "feel" right. It needed the ambient (canned) sound to make it appear more normal to us. Ever since, they have added it.

Our brains are funny like that. We usually don't notice ambient sounds as we tend to filter them out, but we miss them when they are gone, but are expected. If you ever watched a poorly dubbed movie that replaced speech and sounds, your head will probably be telling you that something just "ain't quite right" and the movie will feel oddly flat.

The volume level is kinda important to me. There is probably a magic formula somewhere that dictates how loud it can be before appreciates flips into too irritating (for too many people). If it gets to you now, it seems you are in the unfortunate minority.

So it's not really there to remind us, but when done right, to stop us from reminding us. Most of us, that is.

Exactly. There are tons of examples of such things in movies and TV. For example, american movies tend to once in a while show the bald eagle, the symbol of the US.......but the sound is always the sound of a hawk because a real bald eagle sounds....well, like a loud annoying cat.

It's all done in the name of the viewer being comfortable, really.

 

[Galic Ho]

Nibali was much stronger than Basso yesterday. Might just be a bad day, who know? But I was quite surprised that Nibali had to wait for Basso as he could easily have minimized his losses if he didn't had to drag Basso up the ascent.

You said the same thing yesterday. Almost word for word.

Did it skip your judgement that Nibali only waited on the downhill section? Nibali is a far better descender than anyone else on Liquigas.

Sure Nibali also waited after the crash...but only to change his bike. They worked evenly.

 

[ErmOkk]

It wasn't only on the descent, nibali was just stronger yesterday... Basso might suffered more pain after the crash though.

 

[Sasquatch]

Moncoutie has been way back every stage so far. I'll go with him for the win today.

He took it easy yesterday, same with Simoni.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

You said the same thing yesterday. Almost word for word.

Did it skip your judgement that Nibali only waited on the downhill section? Nibali is a far better descender than anyone else on Liquigas.

Sure Nibali also waited after the crash...but only to change his bike. They worked evenly.

What? Get your facts straight. I didn't even write a single post yesterday.

You couldn't have been following the stage very close if you don't noticed Nibali constantly looked back and had to wait for Basso no matter if it went up or down.

 

[Poppert]

Cunego will loose 15 minutes today. It would be typical of him to mix great with poor performances.

Sastre don't have the legs, not yet anyway.

Liquigas may have a go just to see how Evans and Vino responds, but I suspect there will not be huge gaps today.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Scarponi for the stage victory today. He will feel a bit frustrated after yesterday when he showed that he's in great form.

I really hope that we'll see someone like Moncoutie or Pozzavivo unfold today, thogh.

 

[Galic Ho]

What? Get your facts straight. I didn't even write a single post yesterday.

You couldn't have been following the stage very close if you don't noticed Nibali constantly looked back and had to wait for Basso no matter if it went up or down.

My apologies. Must have been another forumist with a very similar looking photo. There were 800 plus posts on yesterdays thread. Easy to mix new forum members old racing avatar's up when theya re black and white.

I saw the entire last hill. I did however see it after the stage was over, FA Cup gets priority. Footage I saw was from Rai Sports thus it was a recording of the live stream. No, I did not see Nibali looking super strong. He looked like he was working evenly with Basso. Wait and see. Basso is the stronger rider. Nibali only looked back right after the crasha and also on the downhill section. I saw them both takes turns when it was uphill. Bit hard for Nibali to look back at his team mate who is in front of him.

You have what most people on this forum have. Selective blinkers. Don't worry, plenty others were sprouting the same thing about Nibali yesterdat when I read the thread. Hence my surprise when I watched the footage as I thought they'd seen one thing, made a massive generalisation and drawn the wrong conclusion. Same concept and behaviour I saw after Astana's TTT. "Vino popped his team." No, his poor team mate had nothing left. If Vino had attacked his team like many claimed why was it he crossed the line third? He was the one attempting to wait.

Heck if you really believe Nibali was strongest and was looking back then why did he wait? Would it not have been better to power on? Could it be that Basso is the strongest rider for the whole 3 weeks and he knew that and raced accordingly to aid him? As I said, what and see. Basso will be up there ahead of Nibali.

But if you'd like I'll give you a link to the footage and point out the time intervals for the feed where they show the Liquigas guys and you can count the number of times Nibali looks back and turns Basso takes. They shared the load. Smartest thing to do given their overall strategy, the stages characteristics and their respective form.

 

[Galic Ho]

He took it easy yesterday, same with Simoni.

I know. He is way back on GC. Outside the top 100 by almost an hour. Moncoutie was biding his time for a stage win. Clever move. Hopefully it pays dividends today.

 

[Anonymous]

First mountain stage. What would Lance do?

You mean the "juice your team to the point that Hincapie can win mountain stages and all of them can carry you to the foot of the final climb regardless of the profile of the race before reaching it" technique...yea, Cadel obviously is lacking something in that...a juiced team.

Either way, fatty is racing in some Cat 3 race in California that they believe is the second best race in the world, lets just leave him out of the discussion for the remainder of this thread...mmmkay?

 

[Nick777]

What? Get your facts straight. I didn't even write a single post yesterday.

You couldn't have been following the stage very close if you don't noticed Nibali constantly looked back and had to wait for Basso no matter if it went up or down.

I watched about 2 hours of stage 7 this morning, and the Eurosport commentator mentioned this a few times.

 

[Anonymous]

My apologies. Must have been another forumist with a very similar looking photo. There were 800 plus posts on yesterdays thread. Easy to mix new forum members old racing avatar's up when theya re black and white.

I saw the entire last hill. I did however see it after the stage was over, FA Cup gets priority. Footage I saw was from Rai Sports thus it was a recording of the live stream. No, I did not see Nibali looking super strong. He looked like he was working evenly with Basso. Wait and see. Basso is the stronger rider. Nibali only looked back right after the crasha and also on the downhill section. I saw them both takes turns when it was uphill. Bit hard for Nibali to look back at his team mate who is in front of him.

You have what most people on this forum have. Selective blinkers. Don't worry, plenty others were sprouting the same thing about Nibali yesterdat when I read the thread. Hence my surprise when I watched the footage as I thought they'd seen one thing, made a massive generalisation and drawn the wrong conclusion. Same concept and behaviour I saw after Astana's TTT. "Vino popped his team." No, his poor team mate had nothing left. If Vino had attacked his team like many claimed why was it he crossed the line third? He was the one attempting to wait.

Heck if you really believe Nibali was strongest and was looking back then why did he wait? Would it not have been better to power on? Could it be that Basso is the strongest rider for the whole 3 weeks and he knew that and raced accordingly to aid him? As I said, what and see. Basso will be up there ahead of Nibali.

But if you'd like I'll give you a link to the footage and point out the time intervals for the feed where they show the Liquigas guys and you can count the number of times Nibali looks back and turns Basso takes. They shared the load. Smartest thing to do given their overall strategy, the stages characteristics and their respective form.

Nah, there was definitely more than one instance of him looking back, not to mention a couple of times where he dropped Basso and subsequently waited.

 

[The Sheep]

Petacchi abandon

 

[Archibald]

You mean the "juice your team to the point that Hincapie can win mountain stages and all of them can carry you to the foot of the final climb regardless of the profile of the race before reaching it" technique...yea, Cadel obviously is lacking something in that...a juiced team.

Either way, fatty is racing in some Cat 3 race in California that they believe is the second best race in the world, lets just leave him out of the discussion for the remainder of this thread...mmmkay?

Hahahaha!!
or "LOL" for the rest...

 

[Stelvio]

It is currently 13C and rain in Rieti. On top of Terminillo (200 meters above the finish) it is 2C.

It is going to be a cold day on the mountain.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

A couple of big names have left the Giro.
F. Masciarelli DNS and Petacchi has abandoned the race now.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Petacchi had bronchitis, understandable

 

[Anonymous]

It is currently 13C and rain in Rieti. On top of Terminillo (200 meters above the finish) it is 2C.

It is going to be a cold day on the mountain.

Another epic day shaping up. Man this race is great.

 

[Anonymous]

Petacchi had bronchitis, understandable

Yea, bronchitis and a cold final climb are not a good combination.

 

[Delicato]

F. Masciarelli DNS and Petacchi has abandoned the race now.

Radiocorsa says it is one of the crappier Masciarellis, Andrea, not Francesco.

 

[Sasquatch]

I know. He is way back on GC. Outside the top 100 by almost an hour. Moncoutie was biding his time for a stage win. Clever move. Hopefully it pays dividends today.

He has always stated he is going for a stage win and the KOM jersey.

If he doesn't go for it today, it will come in the third week.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Radiocorsa says it is one of the crappier Masciarellis, Andrea, not Francesco.

Oh really? That would be great to be honest. Too bad for Andrea obviously.

 

[SpartacusRox]

Sastre is now forced to attack tomorrow. What else was he saving himself for?

The way he is riding....retirement is my guess!

 

[movingtarget]

Stage 8

Stage 7 was just thrilling! Unfortunately there's absolutely no live coverage here in Aus for stages 7 and 8. Eurosport is showing French rugby union instead of the Giro!

I've been following much of stage 7 right here with you guys and have thoroughly enjoyed the banter and knowledge you have. Looks like I'll be parked up to the laptop tonight to read the forum as it happens.

Looks like today's stage is shaping up to one that will show who the strongest (and freshest) competitors are after the gruelling stage yesterday...
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Actually the rugby union caused delayed viewing last night but in Australia on CH 511, Eurposport is supposed to showing live coverage from 10 PM till 1.30 tonight. At least that is what it says in my Austar guide. You will still see the best part of the race, live.