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what peptides ? peptides offer so little PED value why would anyone even bother with them
staubsauger said:
what peptides ? peptides offer so little PED value why would anyone even bother with them
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Well probably the peptides the two riders who got busted took before the Giro, among others. As far as benefit, I'd like to see some evidence of "so little PED value" since everything I read shows it to be significant.
Gloin22 said:
Well probably the peptides the two riders who got busted took before the Giro, among others. As far as benefit, I'd like to see some evidence of "so little PED value" since everything I read shows it to be significant.
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Robert5091 said:
medical update -
Gazprom had gas!
[/quote]Maybe they are banking on one of the late MTF when perhaps the favorites are all looking at each other and not attacking. Saving energy and maybe a breakaway that holds firm at one of the MTF. Or the peptides aren't working.
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I didn't know Bardiani got caught lol havent paid attention that is hilarious
To be fair, I agree with you, GHRPs are quite okay ( I was thinking of different peptides when answering ) , they can't be compared to exogonous HGH in any way, it's like maybe 10-20% of the feel you'd get, but noticable you feel slightly better in general, you recover better and most importantly you sleep like a god. So definitely clear benefits.
Still hardly worth the risk, Bardiani must have been desperate :lol: Peptides wont make a rider go from non to a winner
red_flanders said:
I didn't know Bardiani got caught lol havent paid attention that is hilarious
To be fair, I agree with you, GHRPs are quite okay ( I was thinking of different peptides when answering ) , they can't be compared to exogonous HGH in any way, it's like maybe 10-20% of the feel you'd get, but noticable you feel slightly better in general, you recover better and most importantly you sleep like a god. So definitely clear benefits.
Still hardly worth the risk, Bardiani must have been desperate :lol: Peptides wont make a rider go from non to a winner
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In cases where riders have come clean later, I've never known of a case where the rider got popped for all of the drugs he was doing. They simply get popped for one, but that one drug is invariably part of a larger program. That a rider (or riders in this case) were popped on the eve of a GT for a drug which is used to cut weight and which has powerful endurance enhancing capabilities is hardly surprising.
As far as donkey into racehorse, this is wholly subjective on several levels. Not sure how one would determine if the use of peptides alone can do such a thing, not sure that was the goal of the particular riders. and I'm incredibly skeptical of the notion that this is all the riders were doing. Stacking AICAR and GW-501516 have been shown to significantly reduce fat and increase endurance.
I don't know where you're getting the percentages you're posting, but I don't find the use of them in that context compelling, personally. I strongly doubt anyone was desperate. I think they just took it too late, were still glowing and were far enough down the food chain such that busting them has certain PR advantages for the organizations involved. More small fish getting caught as sacrificial lambs in the fight against doping.
Gloin22 said:
In cases where riders have come clean later, I've never known of a case where the rider got popped for all of the drugs he was doing. They simply get popped for one, but that one drug is invariably part of a larger program. That a rider (or riders in this case) were popped on the eve of a GT for a drug which is used to cut weight and which has powerful endurance enhancing capabilities is hardly surprising.
As far as donkey into racehorse, this is wholly subjective on several levels. Not sure how one would determine if the use of peptides alone can do such a thing, not sure that was the goal of the particular riders. and I'm incredibly skeptical of the notion that this is all the riders were doing. Stacking AICAR and GW-501516 have been shown to significantly reduce fat and increase endurance.
I don't know where you're getting the percentages you're posting, but I don't find the use of them in that context compelling, personally. I strongly doubt anyone was desperate. I think they just took it too late, were still glowing and were far enough down the food chain such that busting them has certain PR advantages for the organizations involved. More small fish getting caught as sacrificial lambs in the fight against doping.
The percentages are subjective from reading a lot of PED related forums, GHRPs are widely used but it doesn't really matter as you said.
And you are absolutely right in taking it too late, most common recommendation with GHRps is taking roughly for 6 months so that HGH levels steadily rise and achieve most benefit.
As far as GW-501516, its the real wonder peptide for cycling, both fat loss enducing and stamina increasing, surprise more cyclist don't get caught on it. It's starting to become widespread at common gyms too, middle aged women and fatties in particular, give it time and it'll replace Thyroid meds for women at gyms :lol:
And you are absolutely right in taking it too late, most common recommendation with GHRps is taking roughly for 6 months so that HGH levels steadily rise and achieve most benefit.
As far as GW-501516, its the real wonder peptide for cycling, both fat loss enducing and stamina increasing, surprise more cyclist don't get caught on it. It's starting to become widespread at common gyms too, middle aged women and fatties in particular, give it time and it'll replace Thyroid meds for women at gyms :lol:
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Yea my mistake, most people sort GW-501516 in peptide category same way MK-677 is always put in SARM category even if it's just oral HGH secretatogue.
King Boonen said:
Yea my mistake, most people sort GW-501516 in peptide category same way MK-677 is always put in SARM category even if it's just oral HGH secretatogue.
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GW-501516 is a PPARD agonist. PPARD commonly binds to fatty acids. If anyone is grouping it with "peptides", and you're going to have to define that group because "peptides" is pretty wide ranging, they need to learn some basic chemistry/biochemistry.
If you are going to group things on some mode of action-mimic class MK-677 should be grouped in your "peptides" group as it is a GHSR agonist, of which the majority are actually peptides (ghrelin being the endogenous agonist), even if MK-677 isn't.
If you are going to group things on some mode of action-mimic class MK-677 should be grouped in your "peptides" group as it is a GHSR agonist, of which the majority are actually peptides (ghrelin being the endogenous agonist), even if MK-677 isn't.
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Peptides are easily and routinely defined as short chains of amino acids linked by the peptide bonds.
Short bits of what would be protein in a longer form (Usually more than 50 AAs), used by biology for a variety of functions. (or created during digestion of proteins by the GI tract)
Any other definition is simply incorrect.
Short bits of what would be protein in a longer form (Usually more than 50 AAs), used by biology for a variety of functions. (or created during digestion of proteins by the GI tract)
Any other definition is simply incorrect.
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Once again we saw that Movistar riders loose at least 30W if the TT takes place outside of Spain.
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Probably home field advantage and better logistics, a bit like the Italian gc riders in the early/mid 2000s. and some motopacing.Valv.Piti said:
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Am I so jaded than when I saw the way TeeJay has been riding, he had the look of a completely clean rider?
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I've been thinking the same thing. If somehow true (he did lose 20 minutes today), is this where a line can be drawn? Or is it somewhere like 10 minutes, or 15 minutes that a clean rider could lose to a doped stage winner? Not calling Fraile a doper by any means, but TJVG is getting weaker with each pedal stroke. Some have suggested that he is saving something for future stages where he can get in a breakaway and finally get a GT stage win. That begs another question. If he is taking it 'easy,' how many 'easy' days or days where he paces himself to save energy, will be enough to have enough to be in a day long breakaway and win? This is assuming that he is riding clean NOW.
Alpe d'Huez said:
I've been thinking the same thing. If somehow true (he did lose 20 minutes today), is this where a line can be drawn? Or is it somewhere like 10 minutes, or 15 minutes that a clean rider could lose to a doped stage winner? Not calling Fraile a doper by any means, but TJVG is getting weaker with each pedal stroke. Some have suggested that he is saving something for future stages where he can get in a breakaway and finally get a GT stage win. That begs another question. If he is taking it 'easy,' how many 'easy' days or days where he paces himself to save energy, will be enough to have enough to be in a day long breakaway and win? This is assuming that he is riding clean NOW.
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I still think something happened to him at the 2015 TdF when he had that massive meltdown, to me it looked like a bad blood bag.
I don't know about that, he was 5th on gc and one of the strongest riders in Romandie, probably the 2nd strongest right behind Richie and most of the early Giro stages weren't that hard to explain such a meltdown early on after a strong perfrmance in Romandie.Alpe d'Huez said:
I still think something happened to him at the 2015 TdF when he had that massive meltdown, to me it looked like a bad blood bag.
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