He got back on, though... mainly on his own strength(?).BroDeal said:
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He seems to have no jump at all, and races accordingly.
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He seems to have no jump at all, and races accordingly.
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Gibo's just finished. Lost over a quarter of an hour.
All part of the wearing down process today and the most worn down appears to be Levi.
When DDL struck, he was the last to make contact. Still, he was probably relying on those great decending skills.....yes, I was watching closely to where he was in the group and it wasn't anywhere near the front!
Class bit of poker playing from Dennis. At one point, I thought he was struggling. Obviously not.
Basso? looked great, but for nowt. I reckon he is now offically cannon fodder for Mr Permazotti.
He, Sastre and Menchov to contest the podium, if Mr Di Luted blows a gasket.
Yes, Pauwels was order back, by Sastre,( via JPvP) but refused.
Obviously LA rode with Cunego, because he has been officially recognised as the Italian's new Christophe Bassons.
Certainly could do without the a** cam, wasted back there.
All part of the wearing down process today and the most worn down appears to be Levi.
When DDL struck, he was the last to make contact. Still, he was probably relying on those great decending skills.....yes, I was watching closely to where he was in the group and it wasn't anywhere near the front!
Class bit of poker playing from Dennis. At one point, I thought he was struggling. Obviously not.
Basso? looked great, but for nowt. I reckon he is now offically cannon fodder for Mr Permazotti.
He, Sastre and Menchov to contest the podium, if Mr Di Luted blows a gasket.
Yes, Pauwels was order back, by Sastre,( via JPvP) but refused.
Obviously LA rode with Cunego, because he has been officially recognised as the Italian's new Christophe Bassons.
Certainly could do without the a** cam, wasted back there.
Sastre is not gonna win this Giro. Dropping back to help him keep his 5th place versus a stage win in the bag?
Somebody needs to brush up on his expected value analysis.
Somebody needs to brush up on his expected value analysis.
One could (blindly?) hope that once he saw his chances over he took it easy and will go on the attack tomorrow.Mellow Velo said:
Who knows? He knows. But being able to jump chasing Di Luca and suffering on a long climb are not mutually exclusive.
Not so sure about that. Surely Basso didn't gain much time on a Lovkvist-pulled (!) group of favourites. But I don't think that today will be felt in Basso's or Garzelli's legs more than on the others. Either you have something in your fuel tank or not.
His style is pure race-of-attrition. Chose your own limit, and hope the others crack on one of the hard days. Boring. But he probably doesnt have any options.BroDeal said:
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BroDeal said:
i guess a fool like you'd think so.
how did that work out for him?
to have pulled a landis he'd have to actually succeed.
Cobblestones said:
Navarro was with him wasn't he?
levi rogers and basso had mates i think?
i don't think basso made a good move.
would that energy be better spent tomorrow?
maybe he's just feeling frisky.
tomorrow is big.
You send your second up the road and make the other teams work. What's wrong with that?jackhammer111 said:
Cobblestones said:
Ya, it's exactly the type of move you do when you have 2 guys high in the GC. You send one guy out and either he gets time or you make the other teams work and then your other guy is in a better position.
It's the same thing CSC did with Sastre in Alpe dHuez when Fränk had the yellow jersey. In that situation the guy that attacked gets the benefit and other times it's the guy that sucks wheel when the oppopnents work that gets rewarded.
ingsve said:
+1. Basso said this in his diary yesterday: "I mentioned Pellizotti above because he is one of the big favourites for this centennial Giro d'Italia. Up until now, we both have ridden up front at the tail end of a stage. He will try a move and then I will try a move, it is a perfect division of leadership."
Cobblestones said:
You should be careful here. The guy you responded to is a bit tetchy. He PMed me inviting me to fight him. Whether he meant pistols at ten paces, sabers, or fisticuffs was not clear; but he lives in your state of Ohio.
I am currently seeking a second.
I think Basso had a great strategy today. He needed time, and to test himself, and today was the perfect day to do it. Had the climbs been a little bigger, he may have stayed away. It also gives Pelozotti a little rest for tomorrow. We may actually see one or the other of them attack fairly early tomorrow.
To me Basso, Garzelli, and DiLuca were the stars of today for going for it and not treating today like a rest day with tomorrow's big stage.
Menchov had the MR so it makes sense he sat on. But some of the riders who said they would go for it, or were expected to, did nothing. Simoni, Cunego, Soler. And for all of Levi's talk about rather finish 10th and having gone for it, than 2nd, he pretty much just followed wheels again and didn't make a single aggressive move. I'm really curious as to just exactly when he's going to go for it, if he really wants to win?
Big thumbs down to Grivko for stealing the non-existent KOM points from Garzelli on the last climb. You just don't do that, especially to a veteran and former winner. Uncool.
Glad to see the cameras still following Lance's every move, as I need to constantly be reminded where Mr. Dinner Socks is at all times, even if he finishes yet another minute back.
To me Basso, Garzelli, and DiLuca were the stars of today for going for it and not treating today like a rest day with tomorrow's big stage.
Menchov had the MR so it makes sense he sat on. But some of the riders who said they would go for it, or were expected to, did nothing. Simoni, Cunego, Soler. And for all of Levi's talk about rather finish 10th and having gone for it, than 2nd, he pretty much just followed wheels again and didn't make a single aggressive move. I'm really curious as to just exactly when he's going to go for it, if he really wants to win?
Big thumbs down to Grivko for stealing the non-existent KOM points from Garzelli on the last climb. You just don't do that, especially to a veteran and former winner. Uncool.
Glad to see the cameras still following Lance's every move, as I need to constantly be reminded where Mr. Dinner Socks is at all times, even if he finishes yet another minute back.
Thought Basso rode well today, got to do something - he is solid in the TT but unlike Levi he can't wait for it to decide the race. In the end it didn't work today but I like his chances for stage 16.
BroDeal said:You should be careful here. The guy you responded to is a bit tetchy. He PMed me inviting me to fight him. Whether he meant pistols at ten paces, sabers, or fisticuffs was not clear; but he lives in your state of Ohio.
I am currently seeking a second.
There're some areas here which are more like Kentucky and W. Virginia. We've our share of hicks and hillbillies.
Alpe d'Huez said:
I gotta give props to Basso simply for trying that. That is what I love about the Giro. It is more about individuals going for it than teams escorting their GC man to the final few kilometers.
BroDeal said:You should be careful here. The guy you responded to is a bit tetchy. He PMed me inviting me to fight him. Whether he meant pistols at ten paces, sabers, or fisticuffs was not clear; but he lives in your state of Ohio.
I am currently seeking a second.
sorry group.. he now seems to want to drag this out in public.
maybe you guys are ok with him making personal insults.
i am not.
he called me a dumb @ss for having an opionion that differed from his own.
i've invited him to call me a dumb *** to my face.
but like i told him directly, blowhard cowards like him that pass out insults while hiding behind their keyboards are a dime a dozen on the internet, and i've seen many a good forum go down in flame wars because of his kind.
i've told him i'll slam his **** in the dirt every time he opens his smug mouth on here until he publicly retracts the insult.
then we can go back to being respectful adversaries.
this is the same guy that called the riders cowards last week and he now appears to be trolling for sympathy to the forum.
not convinced basso played the right move today, but time will tell, not completely sure what he was up to...
menchov i thought looked the best of them all, di luca frankly looked completely knackered at times..
levi.. dunno.. levi is dissapointing me, and turning into a bit of a cadel, i thought originally that he was waiting for tommoro, but im more and more starting to think he just doesnt have the form..
personally im starting to think this is dennis's to lose.. di luca has to run out of energy at some point, and levi just doesnt seem on it..
we will find out...
as for lance, as no post would be complete without a lance mention.. for a bloke out for four years and coming back from a broken collarbone i think he is looking stronger every day.. im now starting to think the guy could be a contender in july which i never imagined..
menchov i thought looked the best of them all, di luca frankly looked completely knackered at times..
levi.. dunno.. levi is dissapointing me, and turning into a bit of a cadel, i thought originally that he was waiting for tommoro, but im more and more starting to think he just doesnt have the form..
personally im starting to think this is dennis's to lose.. di luca has to run out of energy at some point, and levi just doesnt seem on it..
we will find out...
as for lance, as no post would be complete without a lance mention.. for a bloke out for four years and coming back from a broken collarbone i think he is looking stronger every day.. im now starting to think the guy could be a contender in july which i never imagined..
dimspace said:
A good summary - saved me bashing the keys myself. The only things I would add is my own sense that Basso had no choice but to have a go today - and IMO I think he will be fine tomorrow. Lance is only thinking about July now - I think he's having fun because he knows he's getting stronger. Again IMHO I don't think he'll be strong enough in July to really threaten the podium but just my opinion.
Cobblestones said:
so you've decided to join the fun?
westerville oh. christian conservative suburbia. repub bible thumping whack job john kasich is from here.
i'm college educated.. a musician.
lived in california for 20 years.
dad was a navy fighter pilot.
he's the one that taught me not take crap from anyone.
so no, not a hick or a hillbilly.
so... you, like bro blowhard, get off on belittling people? being so obviously superior to hicks and hillbillies.
if you're a smug as your comments you make a perfect second to bro buffoon.
jackhammer111 said:
Can you guys have a game of rock paper scissors or something to sort this out
If you both log on to the webkins site you can play online - they have an awesome version of BathtubBattleships too 
Susan Westemeyer
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Chill out guys. Take the personal stuff out on one another in email or PMs, the rest of us aren't interested and don't want to hear about it.
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