GP Québec, 201.6 km 07.09.18, GP Montréal, 195.2 km 09.09.18

[42x16ss]

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It's not a sprint classic. Neither is Montreal (first edition was won by an 8km Gesink solo)

It's what you say, the racing has become ****. If they attack more on the final climbs from 2 laps from the end the race is very selective. But if you see the startfield lining up with Gva, Matthews and co as main guns you know they will all try to control it and go for the sprint instead

The other problem is just how versatile riders like GvA and Matthews are. GvA was 30th(!) at the Tour this year, while Matthews has come top 10 at Liege as well as one of the most stacked l’Avenir fields we’ve seen at 19.

Northern classics riders and sprinters shouldn’t be able to do this. And then there’s Sagan...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

That may be, but when you attack with multiple good riders and make the selection harder, than Matthews, GVA, Sagan cannot react to everyone in a small group. And you'll increase the odds of beating them.

This is just riding yourself to slaughter. Kudos to Kennaugh at least for trying

 

[shalgo]

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Why not to discuss Grand Prix Cycliste de Montreal here?

Good idea. Maybe if shalgo, or a mod, can change the title to reflect the "double discussion"
(and re-stickify the thread.)

I have updated the thread title and am adding a Montreal preview post in the second post of the thread.

 

[Red Rick]

Stickied, and added the route, profile and starting list of Montreal in the 2nd post.

 

[roundabout]

That's the old profile for Montreal

The new one is here

https://gpcqm.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/PARCOURS_MTL_FR_2018-1.pdf

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

The climb at KM9 is new, the Claude Champagne.
So that's 1 extra climb each lap compared to the old profile

 

[Red Rick]

Alright, I changed it again. This is the right one, isn't it?

 

[El Pistolero]

Re:

It's not a sprint classic. Neither is Montreal (first edition was won by an 8km Gesink solo)

It's what you say, the racing has become ****. If they attack more on the final climbs from 2 laps from the end the race is very selective. But if you see the startfield lining up with Gva, Matthews and co as main guns you know they will all try to control it and go for the sprint instead

That was in 2010 when the race wasn't even part of the WT and the field was relatively weak. Smaller races often provide more attractive racing because the field can be very uneven. In a WT race the playing field is more even and thus it's much more difficult to create the difference.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

The race was WT from the beginning (although the WT was called the PT back then) . Even in 2010. Stop telling everyone fake news. You're almost as bad as trump

Besides, weak field? The chasers contained Sagan and Hagen. lol

 

[El Pistolero]

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The race was WT from the beginning (although the WT was called the PT back then) . Even in 2010. Stop telling everyone fake news. You're almost as bad as trump

Besides, weak field? The chasers contained Sagan and Hagen. lol

Sagan in 2010... Hardly the same as beating Sagan in his prime.

And lol at Hagen. And yes, the field was weak compared to later editions.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/gp-montreal/2010

In the top 10 then alone you have multiple top 10 GT men, a later Giro winner, an ex-world champion and a 3 times future world champion.
I don't know but I claim classic Pisti ***

 

[El Pistolero]

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https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/gp-montreal/2010

In the top 10 then alone you have multiple top 10 GT men, a later Giro winner, an ex-world champion and a 3 times future world champion.
I don't know but I claim classic Pisti ***

So using the same logic, does a race have an amazing field if pre-2011 Froome made it in the top ten?

I said relatively weak field, I didn't say every rider was ***.

And as always, teams can sometimes miscalculate and fail to bring back a rider, especially when this is the first time the race was held.

The field is stronger nowadays, so the racing has become more controlled. Anyone with a little bit of cycling knowledge knows this. That's why smaller races are often much more exciting to watch than the big WT races.

 

[toolittle]

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All World tour teams are presented. It cannot be a weak field anyway.
UCI prepared 2 WT races in North American within 1 week.
With so many UCI points available, noway to have a weak field there.

In Spring, there is a holy week, Cobbled stone classics. Ardennes Classics is another series of races.

If there are series of
- Sprinter races
- breakaway races
- uphill sprint races
- Puncheur races
- Downhill races
whose favour different kinds of riders qualities.
I believe it could attact more attentions.

 

[AQETUYIOI]

Is 'tiz' the 'best quality live stream on the internet'?

 

[Kwibus]

Re: Re:

The race was WT from the beginning (although the WT was called the PT back then) . Even in 2010. Stop telling everyone fake news. You're almost as bad as trump

Besides, weak field? The chasers contained Sagan and Hagen. lol

Sagan in 2010... Hardly the same as beating Sagan in his prime.

And lol at Hagen. And yes, the field was weak compared to later editions.

Hagen in 2010 is the reverse of Sagan in 2010

It certainly was a new race that helped Gesink that day, but he certainly was very strong as well.

 

[Velolover2]

On paper, Montreal is a harder race than Quebec. But I doubt it will make much difference. The final group will be smaller but that's about it.

It's still Bling vs. Greg.

 

[Rollthedice]

So soon, Wellens? And sunny weather?

 

[Kwibus]

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On paper, Montreal is a harder race than Quebec. But I doubt it will make much difference. The final group will be smaller but that's about it.

It's still Bling vs. Greg.

Usually it's a lot harder to control the final, that's why it's usually a sprint from a small select group.

Wellens attacking with 2 laps to go.. wow?

 

[Rollthedice]

Mohoric doing a motoric on the descent.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

This is what I hoped for. An early finale

 

[Rollthedice]

Only Polanc and Mohoric have no chance. Sunweb chasing.

 

[Rollthedice]

Sepp attacks the Sunweb train, another group is formed, exciting now.

 

[shalgo]

I am not seeing any stream at all on Tiz. The spot on the page where the stream would normally be is blank.

 

[Rollthedice]

Konrad Rensburg and Vanmarke join Mohoric, Polanc and the rest of the initial break, 31 sec. 23km to go.

 

[Rollthedice]

Its Muhlberger from Bora, Mohoric and Polan, Sep and tje rest dropped.