Granfondopers

[Alex Simmons/RST]

3 year ban for a French event rider, details sketchy:

Translated from French FB page of Route de Saône & Loire:

Flash News: Positive control of a rider to the doping products on the Road After 2014 Reviews arriving at Saint Vallier. This rider has-beens excluded all federations for a period of 3 years. #ledopagecestpasbien ( Translated by Bing )

FB link:
https://www.facebook.com/routedesaoneetloire?fref=ts

 

[Michele]

Funny things happening in Italy this year.

Since last 1st January, all ex dopers and new (?) dopers with with suspensions of 6 months or longer have been banned from racing, but could get only a cyclotouring license (doesnt allow you to ride for a race ranking for example at granfondo).
This new rule was welcomed from the majority of italian amateurs but got several people against it by saying that if you already done a ban it's not right to get a lifetime ban.
These days it seems that this rule might have some changes in the future cause it would be against UCI rules (donno if this is actually true or not.
Funny enough an ex pro who had been banned years ago for doping had a foreigner (non-italian) racing license and he went to win the UCI rainbow jersey, which was later returned when italian federation FCI got the facts straight.

To add some more meat on the fire as we say in Italy, around June FCI/Coni got some money for do some doping test for all categorie from juniors to U23 and amateurs too.
Most of times they would go to races with a list with names, like if they already knew who was surely doping; the result so far has been that around 99% of the tested ones got caught for 1 or more substances.
As far as I could see, most of them are around 40-50, and with a wealthy job.
I do race locally and I raced against many of them and yes you could see something was a bit exagerated but I personally dont like to think right away about doping and Im honestly disgusted.

 

[Benotti69]

Funny things happening in Italy this year.

Since last 1st January, all ex dopers and new (?) dopers with with suspensions of 6 months or longer have been banned from racing, but could get only a cyclotouring license (doesnt allow you to ride for a race ranking for example at granfondo).
This new rule was welcomed from the majority of italian amateurs but got several people against it by saying that if you already done a ban it's not right to get a lifetime ban.
These days it seems that this rule might have some changes in the future cause it would be against UCI rules (donno if this is actually true or not.
Funny enough an ex pro who had been banned years ago for doping had a foreigner (non-italian) racing license and he went to win the UCI rainbow jersey, which was later returned when italian federation FCI got the facts straight.

Proper order.

To add some more meat on the fire as we say in Italy, around June FCI/Coni got some money for do some doping test for all categorie from juniors to U23 and amateurs too.
Most of times they would go to races with a list with names, like if they already knew who was surely doping; the result so far has been that around 99% of the tested ones got caught for 1 or more substances.
As far as I could see, most of them are around 40-50, and with a wealthy job.
I do race locally and I raced against many of them and yes you could see something was a bit exagerated but I personally dont like to think right away about doping and Im honestly disgusted.

Somebody been informing??? Or maybe it is so easy to spot who is juicing.

 

[Michele]

No info so far but it's clear that someone must have spoken; probably some sort of "dealer" or any client cause otherwise it doesn't explain the police going to the events with a list of names.

 

[Jancouver]

GrandFondo Dopers

Winner of Campagnolo Gran Fondo New York 2015 was doping + 3rd place overall in the women’s field was positive as well.

https://gfny.com/gfny15-winner-was-doping/

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Another one....
https://gfny.com/gfny15-winner-was-doping/

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

There's already an exiting thread for this:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=22503

 

[BigMac]

If it wasn't embarassing enough to have former dopers hosting their own Granfondos.

Safe to say they did it together.

Edit: Thanks Alex, moving the posts.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Actually they pinged two riders:

Winner:

Oscar Tovar from Colombia, the winner of the 2015 Campagnolo Gran Fondo New York and first annual GFNY Championship, tested positive for synthetic testosterone use during the in-competition doping controls administered by US Anti Doping Agency (USADA) at the race

and third placed woman:

Another athlete who tested positive for a banned substance is Yamile Lugo of Colombia, who finished in 3rd place overall in the women’s field. Just like Tovar, the values detected in Lugo’s sample were consistent with the administration of a steroid of exogenous origin. Those values certainly could have been caused by the athlete’s use of testosterone, but it could have also been caused by her use of another anabolic agent such as DHEA.

 

[Irondan]

Re:

If it wasn't embarassing enough to have former dopers hosting their own Granfondos.

Safe to say they did it together.

Edit: Thanks Alex, moving the posts.

I'm not surprised at all that some people feel the need to cheat at even the smallest events.

It's sad really, sad for cycling...

You beat me to moving these posts Bigmac.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Granfondos, a frontier of full ***...

At this year’s race, GFNY also randomly checked bikes for motors. Current technology allows to invisibly integrate inaudible motors into the frame that produce up to 250 Watts for 30 minutes which increases a top rider’s output by more than 50%. For the 2016 race, GFNY plans to further extend the controls.

 

[the sceptic]

synthetic testosterone? Must have been taking the same supplement as Tommy Dope.

 

[del1962]

One of Uli Fluhme's dopers

There's a kind of orony in the person that insinuates against others without evidence is found to organise a GF full of dope

 

[the sceptic]

Re:

One of Uli Fluhme's dopers

There's a kind of orony in the person that insinuates against others without evidence is found to organise a GF full of dope

So because he calls team sky dopers it's his fault that some random colombians show up to his gran fondo doped? Seems like a bit of a stretch.

I think the real irony is that people still think top level pros are cleans despite everyone below them doping.

 

[blackcat]

portmanteau felicitous

 

[zlev11]

Re:

One of Uli Fluhme's dopers

There's a kind of orony in the person that insinuates against others without evidence is found to organise a GF full of dope

wasn't it Fluhme himself who organized to have USADA do drug testing at his gran fondos in the first place? i don't think he's going to encourage doping and in the same breath pay to have drug testing for a friggin' gran fondo. maybe he's a complete moron, though, i don't know.

 

[42x16ss]

Re:

One of Uli Fluhme's dopers

There's a kind of orony in the person that insinuates against others without evidence is found to organise a GF full of dope

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re:

I understand the humor but even you realize that:

1. neither of them was oficially ever found out to be doping (Olano cut it reaaaaally close though).
2. neither of them was competing the event.

What would be stranger is that someone would have a problem with those two riding. Vigilante justice is despicable.

Indurain tested positive at the 1994 Tour de l'Oise. Salbutamol was banned in France at the time but had not yet found its way onto the UCI's banned list. Indurain was not sanctioned.

Dutch broadcaster NOS quoted Italian investigator Sandro Donati who claimed that Banesto riders were involved with Conconi and another source corroborated the story.

Olano tested positive after winning Stage 1 of the 1994 Volta a Catalunya. He blamed the result on a product he had been using called Frenadol.

Following the 2013 publication of a French Senate Anti-Doping report and its annexe showing the results of 2004 retested samples, Olano was shown to have tested positive in the 1998 Tour de France after Stage 8.

Great info, thanks.

This is kind of like those same folks(including Wonderboy himself) who claimed he "never tested positive". But he did, didn't he test positive of at least 9-12 samples at one of the Tours? I'm sure Miggy was doping even after this.

 

[del1962]

Re: Re:

One of Uli Fluhme's dopers

There's a kind of orony in the person that insinuates against others without evidence is found to organise a GF full of dope

wasn't it Fluhme himself who organized to have USADA do drug testing at his gran fondos in the first place? i don't think he's going to encourage doping and in the same breath pay to have drug testing for a friggin' gran fondo. maybe he's a complete moron, though, i don't know.

Where did I say encourages doping, I just think its ironic that someone who grandstands on twitter and rails against others without evidence like a 1970s west midlands police officer should find that his own Grandfondo's are infested with doping, Alanis Morisette should have used this example in her song, then at least she would have had an example of irony in it

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

One of Uli Fluhme's dopers

There's a kind of orony in the person that insinuates against others without evidence is found to organise a GF full of dope

wasn't it Fluhme himself who organized to have USADA do drug testing at his gran fondos in the first place? i don't think he's going to encourage doping and in the same breath pay to have drug testing for a friggin' gran fondo. maybe he's a complete moron, though, i don't know.

Where did I say encourages doping, I just think its ironic that someone who grandstands on twitter and rails against others without evidence like a 1970s west midlands police officer should find that his own Grandfondo's are infested with doping, Alanis Morisette should have used this example in her song, then at least she would have had an example of irony in it

How is this ironic?

"Guy who condemns doping dares to have successful doping controls at his events"?

 

[HelmutRoole]

Re: Re:

One of Uli Fluhme's dopers

There's a kind of orony in the person that insinuates against others without evidence is found to organise a GF full of dope

wasn't it Fluhme himself who organized to have USADA do drug testing at his gran fondos in the first place? i don't think he's going to encourage doping and in the same breath pay to have drug testing for a friggin' gran fondo. maybe he's a complete moron, though, i don't know.

Where did I say encourages doping, I just think its ironic that someone who grandstands on twitter and rails against others without evidence like a 1970s west midlands police officer should find that his own Grandfondo's are infested with doping, Alanis Morisette should have used this example in her song, then at least she would have had an example of irony in it

You know, it's not possible to have a bicycle race without doping, right?

 

[Anaconda]

What would be massively hypocritical would be for the organizer of GFNY to rail against dopers via tweeter then NOT have an anti doping policy or pay for testing at his event. Testing in this day and age means that some tests will probably come back positive. Doping in GF's is no new phenomenon. Even CIRC brought it up in their report.

Can you imagine GF Liepheimer or GF Hincappie having drug tests? Now that would be something hilarious, LL or GH at a press conference condemming doping at their events. Probably a waste of money though as all their fondo riders probably stopped doing what they were doing in 2006

 

[doperhopper]

Re: Re:

Indurain tested positive at the 1994 Tour de l'Oise. Salbutamol was banned in France at the time but had not yet found its way onto the UCI's banned list. Indurain was not sanctioned.

Dutch broadcaster NOS quoted Italian investigator Sandro Donati who claimed that Banesto riders were involved with Conconi and another source corroborated the story.

Olano tested positive after winning Stage 1 of the 1994 Volta a Catalunya. He blamed the result on a product he had been using called Frenadol.

Following the 2013 publication of a French Senate Anti-Doping report and its annexe showing the results of 2004 retested samples, Olano was shown to have tested positive in the 1998 Tour de France after Stage 8.

Great info, thanks.

This is kind of like those same folks(including Wonderboy himself) who claimed he "never tested positive". But he did, didn't he test positive of at least 9-12 samples at one of the Tours? I'm sure Miggy was doping even after this.[/quote]

With the progress of retesting methods it's quite probable they may end up as "never tested negative".

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

This is the quote form the February 2015 CIRC report:

Amateur cycling
The Commission believes that doping in amateur cycling is becoming endemic. This was confirmed by amateur riders, as well as professionals, managers and anti-doping personnel who had exposure to it. It has been caused by a combination of ease of access to drugs via gyms and the internet, the reduction in costs for substances, a spread of knowledge in means and methods of administration, and a lack of funding for regular testing at the amateur level.

Masters races were also said to have middle-aged businessmen winning on EPO, with some of them training as hard as professional riders and putting in comparable performances. Some professional riders explained that they no longer ride in the Gran Fondos because they were so competitive due to the number of riders doping.

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/87/99/CIRCReport2015_Neutral.pdf
page 68

 

[HelmutRoole]

Re:

This is the quote form the February 2015 CIRC report:

Amateur cycling
The Commission believes that doping in amateur cycling is becoming endemic. This was confirmed by amateur riders, as well as professionals, managers and anti-doping personnel who had exposure to it. It has been caused by a combination of ease of access to drugs via gyms and the internet, the reduction in costs for substances, a spread of knowledge in means and methods of administration, and a lack of funding for regular testing at the amateur level.

Masters races were also said to have middle-aged businessmen winning on EPO, with some of them training as hard as professional riders and putting in comparable performances. Some professional riders explained that they no longer ride in the Gran Fondos because they were so competitive due to the number of riders doping.

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/87/99/CIRCReport2015_Neutral.pdf
page 68

This is why I don't race anymore. My city's weekly crit series is full of ex-pros and pro wannabes jacked up on amphetamines and steroids. And the promoters and officials don't see it because they didn't race at a significant enough level to know what they're looking at.