Grenade attack in Liege, Belgium

[auscyclefan94]

That's because America is the only country that matters.

Be careful, you better not say anything against America or an American person.

 

[redtreviso]

Be careful, you better not say anything against America or an American person.

Just don't talk about right wingers celebrating their kind's deeds today..Someone in the lower left corner of the US might throw a bf..

 

[Martin318is]

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Lets try to keep this on the real topic and not introduce American politics, etc into the thread, okay...


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[Maxiton]

To me this is just unbelievable. Or at least it ought to be. Firearms have been around for a long time, but it's only in, say, the last twenty or so years that these random mass attacks by individuals have become commonplace. Does anyone have any ideas about why we've seen this sudden, drastic change?

It would seem violence is more prevalent and more acceptable, and people more alienated from each other and from their respective communities. But that still doesn't explain why all this is expressed in this senseless way. I used to think it was a problem specific to the States. Clearly, however, that is not the case. Thoughts?

 

[BroDeal]

To me this is just unbelievable. Or at least it ought to be. Firearms have been around for a long time, but it's only in, say, the last twenty or so years that these random mass attacks by individuals have become commonplace. Does anyone have any ideas about why we've seen this sudden, drastic change?

Charles Whitman killed 16 in 1966. Richard Speck killed eight in 1966.

I would hazard a guess that the only difference is that population density and guns allow a high victim count plus in modern times people don't carry the means to defend themselves. 500 years ago people probably went on hacking sprees.

 

[redtreviso]

Charles Whitman killed 16 in 1966. Richard Speck killed eight in 1966.

I would hazard a guess that the only difference is that population density and guns allow a high victim count plus in modern times people don't carry the means to defend themselves. 500 years ago people probably went on hacking sprees.

pfffffft.........................

 

[Maxiton]

Charles Whitman killed 16 in 1966. Richard Speck killed eight in 1966.

I would hazard a guess that the only difference is that population density and guns allow a high victim count plus in modern times people don't carry the means to defend themselves. 500 years ago people probably went on hacking sprees.

I see what you're saying, I think, but in the cases you cite, the killing is something done to an individual, in private. True, this act for whatever reason was done serially, but that's a very different thing from standing in the town square lobbing bombs and firing indiscriminately. Not better or worse, necessarily, but an entirely different phenomenon.

I don't think people, outside of the extremely odd exception, went on hacking sprees 500 hundred years ago. And certainly in the fifties, sixties, seventies and eighties of the last century this was all but unheard of. Just as, during that same period, you could step onto a plane with no inspection of your person or bags. Society was open and free.

As this kind of thing happens more and more, it will result in an effective lockdown on society. That's my concern, anyway.

 

[BroDeal]

I see what you're saying, I think, but in the cases you cite, the killing is something done to an individual, in private. True, this act for whatever reason was done serially, but that's a very different thing from standing in the town square lobbing bombs and firing indiscriminately. Not better or worse, necessarily, but an entirely different phenomenon.

Whitman did that. He randomly shot people from a tower on a university campus.

I don't think people, outside of the extremely odd exception, went on hacking sprees 500 hundred years ago. And certainly in the fifties, sixties, seventies and eighties of the last century this was all but unheard of. Just as, during that same period, you could step onto a plane with no inspection of your person or bags. Society was open and free.

Outside of the odd exception, people don't go on shooting sprees today.

In the past people could join the army and kill people indiscriminately. In the U.S. people make a mistake when they assume that modern times are getting more violent. In the West of the 19th century life was cheap and murder very common. People don't have the opportunity to kill people like they used to.

 

[greenedge]

R.I.P to all. Hopefully all of the wounded heal and it's terrible news.

 

[ramjambunath]

Reports suggest there's just been a bomb blast in the eastern Indian state of Manipur.

 

[ramjambunath]

Bomb explodes at office of Manipur Public Works Department in Imphal.

 

[El Pistolero]

To me this is just unbelievable. Or at least it ought to be. Firearms have been around for a long time, but it's only in, say, the last twenty or so years that these random mass attacks by individuals have become commonplace. Does anyone have any ideas about why we've seen this sudden, drastic change?

It would seem violence is more prevalent and more acceptable, and people more alienated from each other and from their respective communities. But that still doesn't explain why all this is expressed in this senseless way. I used to think it was a problem specific to the States. Clearly, however, that is not the case. Thoughts?

I'm studying a history of murder right now. What you say simply isn't true.

Homicide numbers have been going down each century(including the 21st). In some Medieval towns like Firenze the homicide rate used to be 110 per 100.000 inhabitants per year.

The duel, a replacement ritual for the Vendetta in Europe, used to be common place in Europe till the start of the first World war! Especially in the Holy Roman Empire(= German Empire) dueling was common place. You wouldn't believe what people from the Middle ages killed for. If you called them a liar that would be more then enough reason to start a Vendetta on him and his kinship. Murder wasn't even a crime for much of the Middle ages and early modern time as long as it wasn't done in a sneaky way(there are rules for a Vendetta and a duel, more so for the latter). If you killed someone on broad day light no one would look surprised in the year 1400. It would actually be an honorable thing to do so. Protecting your honor was very important back then.

Also Pogroms used to be common place in Europe till the 20th century before and after WWII!

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They also found a dead woman, presumably his neighbour, in his shack. Shot in the head. So another victim...

 

[ramjambunath]

A woman's body was found in the Liege attacker's shed, she had a bullet wound to her head.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16172662

Nobody died in the Manipur blast as it was a well fortified building but the blast was a high intensity blast. It's the second in a fortnight in the state.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

What a desperate looser. Making others responsible for his fail.
It turns out that he had a meeting/interview at police, shortly before he went full ***.
So I guess he has planned this thing, plan taking action depending on outcome of hearing. But wouldn't surprised if this was his everyday equipment when "going out".
I live in Aachen just around the corner, 15 miles away, on German side of the "Dreiländereck" (threecountrycorner" NL,B,GER), and I can tell you that Lüttich is no fun.

If you need weapons of any kind, you just go to Lüttich marketplace and buy them. Ugly city, dangerous area.

I watched the NBC nightly news earlier, and not a single mention of this horrible incident. Nothing on CNN either as far as I've seen.

That's because America is the only country that matters.

At least the nut case saved us the trouble and took himself out too.
Sadly for the rest.

I didn't see anything either, Granv...
@nucleardaze... no, USA just has enough of its own probs