Grouping the pro peleton (720 groups)

[Motopace]

For those interested in Myers-Briggs etc., this is how we can group the pro peleton according to PCS. You know that PCS points per specialty graph which all riders have on their page, they feature six categories - and we now use these categories to assign a six-digits code to each rider. We number each category according to their appearance on PCS:

1: Onedayraces
2: GC
3: TT
4: Sprint
5: Climber
6: Hills

So, for example, Tadej Pogacar gets the code 5-2-1-6-3-4. This is because the category in which he has scored most points is Climber (5), and then it is GC (2), and so forth, his worst category being Sprint (4).

The point is, if two riders have the same code, they must have some commonalities, just like two people with the same Myers-Briggs code, so it's a small, fun kind of event like that.

I plan to talk PCS into integrating this feature to their site, so you can group riders by their code like this. Meanwhile, I've gone through the PCS top 200 riders in the male peleton and noted down their code. The below, then, is the ensuing riders groups, meaning that each two riders in one group have the same code.

I've excluded all groups that featured one rider only - so if your favorite riders isn't in a group here, either their code is unique among the top 200 PCS riders, or else they aren't in the top 200 PCS riders at all.

To not bore you with so many numbers, I have instead given each resulting group a name. My hope in making this thread is that you might come up with better names for them, so the accuracy and usefulness of this code system is clearly rendered.

Wins monuments and GC:
Romain Bardet
Clément Berthet
Felix Gall
David Gaudu
Bauke Mollema
Tadej Pogacar
Lennert Van Eetvelt
Mauri Vansevenant
Aleksandr Vlasov
Adam Yates

1st tier GC riders (half of them are Visma):
João Almeida
Koen Bouwman
Ion Izagirre
Wilco Kelderman
Daniel Felipe Martínez
Primoz Roglic
Ilan Van Wilder
Jonas Vingegaard

Not Visma so must get in the extra hard miles before they can enter the 1st GC tier:
Juan Ayuso
Remco Evenepoel

2nd tier GC riders (there’s only one Visma here, he’ll be 1st tier soon):
Egan Bernal
Emanuel Buchmann
Eddie Dunbar
Jack Haig
Jai Hindley
Matteo Jorgenson
Juan Pedro López
Oscar Onley
Rémy Rochas
Wout Poels
Mattias Skjelmose
Ben Zwiehoff

Unknown tier GC riders, who knows what they might do:
Damiano Caruso
Isaac del Toro
Laurens De Plus
Felix Grossschartner
Florian Lipowitz
Ben O’Connor
Cian Uijtdebroeks

Underrated tier GC riders (hype these guys plz):
Paul Double
Jesús David Peña
Nicolas Prodhomme

I wanna win GC like legend GC G:
Thymen Arensman
Damien Howson
Brandon McNulty
Luke Plapp
Geraint Thomas

GC underdogs, hardworking:
Rui Costa
Jesús Herrada
Merhawi Kudus
Alexey Lutsenko
Aurélien Paret-Peintre
Carlos Rodríguez
Cristián Rodríguez
Pavel Sivakov
Filippo Zana

KOM jersey-type riders:
Warren Barguil
Guilio Ciccone
Davide Formolo
Guillaume Martin
Michael Storer

Real ciclismo:
Pello Bilbao
Santiago Buitrago
Richard Carapaz
Tobias Halland Johannessen
Mikel Landa
Rafal Majka
Enric Mas
Einar Rubio
Dylan Teuns
Attila Valter

Favourites for winning La Vuelta:
Sepp Kuss
Marc Soler
Simon Yates

I guess Giro top 10 incoming???:
Lennard Kämna
Antonio Tiberi

Tour of Guangxi five star favourites:
Milan Vader
Frank van den Broek

GC riders sent to win fringe races so their team can win the UCI ranking:
Finn Fisher-Black
Bart Lemmen

GC riders working hard for teams in need of UCI points:
Chris Harper
Eduardo Sepúlveda

Not really GC but also working hard for teams in need of UCI points:
Vincenzo Albanese
Corbin Strong

Good sprinters:
Sam Bennett
Mark Cavendish
Bryan Coquard
Arnaud Démare
Fabio Jakobsen
Olav Kooij
Matteo Moschetti
Gerben Thijssen
Danny van Poppel

Almost-good sprinters:
Nils Eekhoff
Milan Fretin
Sam Welsford

Wild sprinters:
Alberto Dainese
Timothy Dupont
Caleb Ewan
Dylan Groenewegen
Tim Merlier
Jasper Philipsen
Tom Van Asbroeck
Elia Viviani

Pro team sprinters:
Arvid de Kleijn
Jason Tesson

GC team sprinters:
Max Kanter
Juan Sebastián Molano
Marjin van den Berg

“Sprinters” who win in Catalunya/Itzulia/Romandie-type races:
Axel Laurance
Andrea Vendrame

Good in Belgian .Pro-races:
Jonas Abrahamsen
Simone Consonni
Jasper De Buyst
Arnaud De Lie
Hugo Hofstetter
Alexander Kristoff
Jordi Meeus
Milan Menten
Luca Mozzato
Paul Penhoët
Dries Van Gestel

Like the above except they don’t win anything?
Jenthe Biermans
Iván García Cortina
Jasper Stuyven

Favourites to win WC RR though they haven’t won a race in +10 years:
Biniam Girmay
Michael Matthews

Amstel Gold Race-type riders:
Tiesj Benoot
Mathieu Burgaudeau
Benoît Cosnefroy
Valentin Madouas
Thomas Pidcock
Toms Skujins
Simone Velasco
Georg Zimmermann

Like the above except they don’t win so put them in the break?
Andreas Kron
Christian Scaroni

IDK, put them in the break?:
Rémi Cavagna
Magnus Sheffield

Weren’t they half-decent in Eschborn-Frankfurt this year-type riders:
Andrea Bagioli
Dorian Godon
Romain Grégoire
Marc Hirschi
Maxim Van Gils

MvdP’s pretty good, no wonder some Norwegian entered the PCS top 100 by imitating him closely:
Rasmus Tiller
Mathieu van der Poel

MvdP’s “competition” in monuments:
Pierre Gautherat
Christophe Laporte
Mads Pedersen

RVV top 10 incoming???:
Felix Engelhardt
António Morgado
Oliver Naesen
Axel Zingle

Clásica Jaén Paraiso Interior specialists:
Ewen Costiou
Oier Lazkano
Tim Wellens

My picks to win MSR every year:
Alexandre Delettre
Matej Mohoric

Missed the 2024 classics because of injuries:
Neilson Powless
Florian Vermeersch

But I guess these riders rode them instead?:
Madis Mihkels
Riley Sheehan

I think these were all in a Giro 2024 breakaway?:
Quinten Hermans
Jhonatan Narváez
Kevin Vermaerke

Well respected in the peloton:
Sandy Durjardin
Matteo Trentin

Strong boys, wake me up when they win something next time:
Søren Kragh Andersen
Mikkel Bjerg
Stefan Küng

 

[Potomac]

tldr

 

[QueenStagiaire]

1st tier GC rider Koen Bouwman 🗣️

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Too sad to be funny.

 

[Izzyeviel]

Nice to see the GC G thing catching on!

 

[SafeBet]

There should be more threads like this but I'm too lazy to create one
SafeBet

 

[RedheadDane]

Those are some wild groups!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

See the problem with using sheer results with no context is that you now have Kuss as a GC favourite at La Vuelta, because he won it, but not taking into account that he won it because Twitter got upset when he started shipping time so Visma let him win for PR reasons. Realistically he belongs in the GC underdogs group, but because of the points that the social media win got him he's elevated above that somewhat, he was realistically 3rd strongest in that race but won due to unusual circumstances with the team's level of domination allowing them to hand it out to him like that. And Marc Soler has one GT top 10 in 12 GT entries, it was five years ago, and he gets "GC favourite" status? Feels like there needs to be a group for "one week stage race specialists", since that's where he'd be best served. I guess the 'favourites for La Vuelta' thing is because 3/4 of his stage race top 10s have been in Spain?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

See the problem with using sheer results with no context is that you now have Kuss as a GC favourite at La Vuelta, because he won it, but not taking into account that he won it because Twitter got upset when he started shipping time so Visma let him win for PR reasons. Realistically he belongs in the GC underdogs group, but because of the points that the social media win got him he's elevated above that somewhat, he was realistically 3rd strongest in that race but won due to unusual circumstances with the team's level of domination allowing them to hand it out to him like that. And Marc Soler has one GT top 10 in 12 GT entries, it was five years ago, and he gets "GC favourite" status? Feels like there needs to be a group for "one week stage race specialists", since that's where he'd be best served. I guess the 'favourites for La Vuelta' thing is because 3/4 of his stage race top 10s have been in Spain?

Well, the actual point of the post is that it‘s ordering riders based on PCS specialties so the actual groups are all set. The idea is to then find a thing, all the riders from one of these 720 possible groups could share with their group mates in potential palmarès or riding style. Of course this would be boring, if you didn‘t choose some interesting group names, then.

 

[RedheadDane]

MvdP’s pretty good, no wonder some Norwegian entered the PCS top 100 by imitating him closely:
Rasmus Tiller
Mathieu van der Poel

Brilliant group!
Also, does this imply that MvdP is imitating... MvdP?

 

[DorothyYoung]

For those interested in Myers-Briggs etc., this is how we can group the pro peleton according to PCS. You know that PCS points per specialty graph which all riders have on their page, they feature six categories - and we now use these categories to assign a six-digits code to each rider. We number each category according to their appearance on PCS:

1: Onedayraces
2: GC
3: TT
4: Sprint
5: Climber
6: Hills

So, for example, Tadej Pogacar gets the code 5-2-1-6-3-4. This is because the category in which he has scored most points is Climber (5), and then it is GC (2), and so forth, his worst category being Sprint (4).

The point is, if two riders have the same code, they must have some commonalities, just like two people with the same Myers-Briggs code, so it's a small, fun kind of event like that.

I plan to talk PCS into integrating this feature to their site, so you can group riders by their code like this. Meanwhile, I've gone through the PCS top 200 riders in the male peleton and noted down their code. The below, then, is the ensuing riders groups, meaning that each two riders in one group have the same code.

I've excluded all groups that featured one rider only - so if your favorite riders isn't in a group here, either their code is unique among the top 200 PCS riders, or else they aren't in the top 200 PCS riders at all.

To not bore you with so many numbers, I have instead given each resulting group a name. My hope in making this thread is that you might come up with better names for them, so the accuracy and usefulness of this code system is clearly rendered.

Wins monuments and GC:
Romain Bardet
Clément Berthet
Felix Gall
David Gaudu
Bauke Mollema
Tadej Pogacar
Lennert Van Eetvelt
Mauri Vansevenant
Aleksandr Vlasov
Adam Yates

1st tier GC riders (half of them are Visma):
João Almeida
Koen Bouwman
Ion Izagirre
Wilco Kelderman
Daniel Felipe Martínez
Primoz Roglic
Ilan Van Wilder
Jonas Vingegaard

Not Visma so must get in the extra hard miles before they can enter the 1st GC tier:
Juan Ayuso
Remco Evenepoel

2nd tier GC riders (there’s only one Visma here, he’ll be 1st tier soon):
Egan Bernal
Emanuel Buchmann
Eddie Dunbar
Jack Haig
Jai Hindley
Matteo Jorgenson
Juan Pedro López
Oscar Onley
Rémy Rochas
Wout Poels
Mattias Skjelmose
Ben Zwiehoff

Unknown tier GC riders, who knows what they might do:
Damiano Caruso
Isaac del Toro
Laurens De Plus
Felix Grossschartner
Florian Lipowitz
Ben O’Connor
Cian Uijtdebroeks

Underrated tier GC riders (hype these guys plz):
Paul Double
Jesús David Peña
Nicolas Prodhomme

I wanna win GC like legend GC G:
Thymen Arensman
Damien Howson
Brandon McNulty
Luke Plapp
Geraint Thomas

GC underdogs, hardworking:
Rui Costa
Jesús Herrada
Merhawi Kudus
Alexey Lutsenko
Aurélien Paret-Peintre
Carlos Rodríguez
Cristián Rodríguez
Pavel Sivakov
Filippo Zana

KOM jersey-type riders:
Warren Barguil
Guilio Ciccone
Davide Formolo
Guillaume Martin
Michael Storer

Real ciclismo:
Pello Bilbao
Santiago Buitrago
Richard Carapaz
Tobias Halland Johannessen
Mikel Landa
Rafal Majka
Enric Mas
Einar Rubio
Dylan Teuns
Attila Valter

Favourites for winning La Vuelta:
Sepp Kuss
Marc Soler
Simon Yates

I guess Giro top 10 incoming???:
Lennard Kämna
Antonio Tiberi

Tour of Guangxi five star favourites:
Milan Vader
Frank van den Broek

GC riders sent to win fringe races so their team can win the UCI ranking:
Finn Fisher-Black
Bart Lemmen

GC riders working hard for teams in need of UCI points:
Chris Harper
Eduardo Sepúlveda

Not really GC but also working hard for teams in need of UCI points:
Vincenzo Albanese
Corbin Strong

Good sprinters:
Sam Bennett
Mark Cavendish
Bryan Coquard
Arnaud Démare
Fabio Jakobsen
Olav Kooij
Matteo Moschetti
Gerben Thijssen
Danny van Poppel

Almost-good sprinters:
Nils Eekhoff
Milan Fretin
Sam Welsford

Wild sprinters:
Alberto Dainese
Timothy Dupont
Caleb Ewan
Dylan Groenewegen
Tim Merlier
Jasper Philipsen
Tom Van Asbroeck
Elia Viviani

Pro team sprinters:
Arvid de Kleijn
Jason Tesson

GC team sprinters:
Max Kanter
Juan Sebastián Molano
Marjin van den Berg

“Sprinters” who win in Catalunya/Itzulia/Romandie-type races:
Axel Laurance
Andrea Vendrame

Good in Belgian .Pro-races:
Jonas Abrahamsen
Simone Consonni
Jasper De Buyst
Arnaud De Lie
Hugo Hofstetter
Alexander Kristoff
Jordi Meeus
Milan Menten
Luca Mozzato
Paul Penhoët
Dries Van Gestel

Like the above except they don’t win anything?
Jenthe Biermans
Iván García Cortina
Jasper Stuyven

Favourites to win WC RR though they haven’t won a race in +10 years:
Biniam Girmay
Michael Matthews

Amstel Gold Race-type riders:
Tiesj Benoot
Mathieu Burgaudeau
Benoît Cosnefroy
Valentin Madouas
Thomas Pidcock
Toms Skujins
Simone Velasco
Georg Zimmermann

Like the above except they don’t win so put them in the break?
Andreas Kron
Christian Scaroni

IDK, put them in the break?:
Rémi Cavagna
Magnus Sheffield

Weren’t they half-decent in Eschborn-Frankfurt this year-type riders:
Andrea Bagioli
Dorian Godon
Romain Grégoire
Marc Hirschi
Maxim Van Gils

MvdP’s pretty good, no wonder some Norwegian entered the PCS top 100 by imitating him closely:
Rasmus Tiller
Mathieu van der Poel

MvdP’s “competition” in monuments:
Pierre Gautherat
Christophe Laporte
Mads Pedersen

RVV top 10 incoming???:
Felix Engelhardt
António Morgado
Oliver Naesen
Axel Zingle

Clásica Jaén Paraiso Interior specialists:
Ewen Costiou
Oier Lazkano
Tim Wellens

My picks to win MSR every year:
Alexandre Delettre
Matej Mohoric

Missed the 2024 classics because of injuries:
Neilson Powless
Florian Vermeersch

But I guess these riders rode them instead?:
Madis Mihkels
Riley Sheehan

I think these were all in a Giro 2024 breakaway?:
Quinten Hermans
Jhonatan Narváez
Kevin Vermaerke

Well respected in the peloton:
Sandy Durjardin
Matteo Trentin

Strong boys, wake me up when they win something next time:
Søren Kragh Andersen
Mikkel Bjerg
Stefan Küng


Your categorization of pro cyclists based on PCS points is impressive! Each group reflects their specialties well. It's a great idea to integrate this into PCS for easier reference. Naming suggestions are spot on for clarity and categorization. Writing a thesis can be daunting, but it doesn't have to be expensive. With https://academized.com/pay-for-thesis you can get top-quality thesis writing services at an affordable price. Their team of expert writers ensures that your thesis meets all academic standards and is delivered on time. I was impressed with their professionalism and the quality of their work. Give them a try!

hahaha

Edit: I am not Chat GTP ;p

 

[Red Rick]

Chat GPT is leaking

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

 

[hfgon1]

What the hell? And why?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

What the hell? And why?

Why not, eh?

 

[Gigs_98]

I actually kinda like the idea in the same way I like the Myers-Briggs test, as a way to group people and then half jokingly discuss the outcome. But I think there is a good reason the MBTI test has 16 personalities and not 720 since making too many categories only disguises the likeness of two very similar riders, if their data deviates just slightly.

To create something more like MBTI for cycling one would need to find traits of riders which are polar opposites, which is kinda hard to do because for every two traits I'm sure I can find at least one rider who has both of them. I guess you could take categories like "sprint, punch, climbing, TT, endurance" and answer whether a rider has that skill or not. That would give you 2^5=32 groups instead of 5!=520, but then again the result would be more about how good and versatile the respecitve riders are than finding unexpected similarities.

 

[Netserk]

You wanted to write "6!=720"?

 

[Panda Claws]

Only question is: what type is Merckx and is it the same as Evenepoel?

 

[Red Rick]

I actually kinda like the idea in the same way I like the Myers-Briggs test, as a way to group people and then half jokingly discuss the outcome. But I think there is a good reason the MBTI test has 16 personalities and not 720 since making too many categories only disguises the likeness of two very similar riders, if their data deviates just slightly.

To create something more like MBTI for cycling one would need to find traits of riders which are polar opposites, which is kinda hard to do because for every two traits I'm sure I can find at least one rider who has both of them. I guess you could take categories like "sprint, punch, climbing, TT, endurance" and answer whether a rider has that skill or not. That would give you 2^5=32 groups instead of 5!=520, but then again the result would be more about how good and versatile the respecitve riders are than finding unexpected similarities.

My question is how relative can traits be. Like Pogacar is the best sprinter I've seen in my lifetime from GC riders, yet in absolute terms, he's still not a sprinter. So are you gonna give Pogacar the sprinting trait or not. And do you give a guy like Van Aert the climbing trait in the opposite direction.

My guess is you don't and everyone is a puncheur today