GW501516 for performance enhancement.

[Franklin]

And we have another winner: Marlon Perez (former Caisse d'Epargne) positive for GW1516.

I thought Colombians didnt dope?

Japanese and Colombians never dope. Ryo explained this very clearly.

 

[Cyivel]

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDetails.asp?source=SiteSearch&id=OTI3Ng&MenuId=MTI2Mjg

Press release: Miguel Ubeto Aponte provisionally suspended

15.05.2013

The UCI advised Venezuelan rider Miguel Ubeto Aponte that he is provisionally suspended. The decision to provisionally suspend this rider was made in response to a report from the WADA accredited laboratory in Köln indicating an Adverse Analytical Finding of GW1516 sulfone – Metabolic Modulator in a urine sample collected from him in an out of competition test on 16 April 2013.

The provisional suspension of Mr. Miguel Ubeto Aponte remains in force until a hearing panel convened by the Venezuelan Cycling Federation determines whether he has committed an anti-doping rule violation under Article 21 of the UCI Anti-Doping Rules.

Mr. Miguel Ubeto Aponte has the right to request and attend the analysis of his B sample.
Under the World Anti-Doping Code and the UCI Anti-Doping Rules, the UCI is unable to provide any additional information at this time.


UCI Communication Service

 

[manafana]

And we have another winner: Marlon Perez (former Caisse d'Epargne) positive for GW1516.

I thought Colombians didnt dope?

interesting thread, as many have said theirs legal ways of tossing weight too, that are pretty damn bad for you too.

 

[Benotti69]

I wonder if they tested all last years samples for GW1516 how many samples would test positive.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I wonder if they tested all last years samples for GW1516 how many samples would test positive.

I REALLY hope they do this within the statute of limitations.

 

[Benotti69]

I REALLY hope they do this within the statute of limitations.

I guess after Armstrong's '99 samples being retested that the important samples from recent times have been made to disappear no doubt UCI charged for it too.

 

[Havetts]

And another small fish. Never the big riders in cycling.. Strange.

 

[131313]

I wonder if they tested all last years samples for GW1516 how many samples would test positive.

I'm betting not that many. I imagine that there are quite a few riders using Telmisartin (Micardis) instead. I actually wouldn't be surprised is that's what Sky are using, since I remember reading some quote from Brailsford where he talked about "going right up to the line, but not crossing it". Telmisartin isn't specifically banned, and it's of a class of drugs (ARB's) which aren't banned. So, it's technically "legal" to use, or at least not banned. Thing is, it has metabolic modulating effects as well even though it doesn't fall into that class of drugs.

I don't personally know of guys using it, since I don't run in those circles, but I'd be in shock if there weren't quite a few athletes with notes from their doctors for their hypertension...

 

[Benotti69]

And another small fish. Never the big riders in cycling.. Strange.

And UCI never following the same protocol. Some riders have the A sample positive announced to the world before they know and before they have option of a B sample test, until which time they can still ride, others nothing.

As i keep asking, when posters claim the sport is cleanER, what has changed?

 

[Benotti69]

I'm betting not that many. I imagine that there are quite a few riders using Telmisartin (Micardis) instead. I actually wouldn't be surprised is that's what Sky are using, since I remember reading some quote from Brailsford where he talked about "going right up to the line, but not crossing it". Telmisartin isn't specifically banned, and it's of a class of drugs (ARB's) which aren't banned. So, it's technically "legal" to use, or at least not banned. Thing is, it has metabolic modulating effects as well even though it doesn't fall into that class of drugs.

I don't personally know of guys using it, since I don't run in those circles, but I'd be in shock if there weren't quite a few athletes with notes from their doctors for their hypertension...

Strange if it is effective, that riders are getting popped for GW1516 then.

I guess Sky have an arrangement with McQ similar to Armstrong's hence the love from Wiggins.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

I'm betting not that many. I imagine that there are quite a few riders using Telmisartin (Micardis) instead. I actually wouldn't be surprised is that's what Sky are using, since I remember reading some quote from Brailsford where he talked about "going right up to the line, but not crossing it". Telmisartin isn't specifically banned, and it's of a class of drugs (ARB's) which aren't banned. So, it's technically "legal" to use, or at least not banned. Thing is, it has metabolic modulating effects as well even though it doesn't fall into that class of drugs.

I don't personally know of guys using it, since I don't run in those circles, but I'd be in shock if there weren't quite a few athletes with notes from their doctors for their hypertension...

+ Artemisia iwayomogi

 

[131313]

Strange if it is effective, that riders are getting popped for GW1516 then.

I guess Sky have an arrangement with McQ similar to Armstrong's hence the love from Wiggins.

It's strange to me, but then again bike riders and their handlers aren't particularly impressive people. Trust me on this one. There are some thoughtful folks, and then there are some real idiots. You should never be surprised by stupid, particularly when it comes to folks involved in bike racing.

As far as Telmisartan not being banned (yet), that's a WADA thing, not a UCI or a McQuaid thing. I don't know why they've been dragging their feet on it, but they've completely ignored the well-established secondary effects of it. I understand why ARB's aren't specifically banned, but the metabolic modulatory effects are equal to or exceed that of drugs which are banned (PPAR agonists like GW1516). The side effects are FAR less and it's not banned. So any semi-thougtful folks will be using this stuff instead.

 

[Benotti69]

It's strange to me, but then again bike riders and their handlers aren't particularly impressive people. Trust me on this one. There are some thoughtful folks, and then there are some real idiots. You should never be surprised by stupid, particularly when it comes to folks involved in bike racing.

As far as Telmisartan not being banned (yet), that's a WADA thing, not a UCI or a McQuaid thing. I don't know why they've been dragging their feet on it, but they've completely ignored the well-established secondary effects of it. I understand why ARB's aren't specifically banned, but the metabolic modulatory effects are equal to or exceed that of drugs which are banned (PPAR agonists like GW1516). The side effects are FAR less and it's not banned. So any semi-thougtful folks will be using this stuff instead.

Yes i agree and it also depends what the docs are able to get from the dealers, and make money on.

The riders really seem to be a sideshow to the money making in the sport.

 

[131313]

+ Artemisia iwayomogi

Yep, another effective PPAR agonist. There's less published research on it, since you can't patent it! Once you synthesize it a little and put you own label on it, then the research will follow...

Thing is, I suspect that Telmisartin is being used over this since I firmly believe that drug companies are behind pushing this stuff to team doctors. Because I'm a bit paranoid like that.

 

[thehog]

premise is they WANT to catch them.

If Brailsford can fly to Aigle and Amaury Sport, and say, please give me this type of race, two long chronos, a prologue, and three hilltop finishes where the final climb is maximum of 15km and 7percent, and no switchbacks,

do you think they do their darndest to catch the winners?


nein
nein
nein


Do you think Brazil will catch any athletes in the next 3 years leaving up to the next Olympics? No chance.

Do you think that Britain miraculously found prior fore invisible talent in all olympic disciplines?

god no dawkins

Mr. Cat that is an astute observation.

 

[gooner]

premise is they WANT to catch them.

If Brailsford can fly to Aigle and Amaury Sport, and say, please give me this type of race, two long chronos, a prologue, and three hilltop finishes where the final climb is maximum of 15km and 7percent, and no switchbacks,

do you think they do their darndest to catch the winners?


nein
nein
nein


Do you think Brazil will catch any athletes in the next 3 years leaving up to the next Olympics? No chance.

Do you think that Britain miraculously found prior fore invisible talent in all olympic disciplines?

god no dawkins

Sky have done this since 2009 so why not routes in 2010 and 2011 and not just 2012?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Yep, another effective PPAR agonist. There's less published research on it, since you can't patent it! Once you synthesize it a little and put you own label on it, then the research will follow...

Thing is, I suspect that Telmisartin is being used over this since I firmly believe that drug companies are behind pushing this stuff to team doctors. Because I'm a bit paranoid like that.

Funny how these things work. On one hand you ban substances, on the other hand you have numerous products with the same effects that are not banned:

= not doping

The Rat Race goes on.

But good to see a small fish got burned, again.

Sky have done this since 2009 so why not routes in 2010 and 2011 and not just 2012?

Olympics? Contador on the route in 2010/2011?

 

[thehog]

Sky have done this since 2009 so why not routes in 2010 and 2011 and not just 2012?

Give you a hint.

Starts with O and ends with S.

Occurs every 4 years.

 

[gooner]

Give you a hint.

Starts with O and ends with S.

Occurs every 4 years.

If the relationship is as strong as you say it is, it would have also influenced routes in previous years, considering they had meetings since 2009. You can't just use one meeting and an Olympic year to suit your agenda and thinking to validate an opinion.

Even I take the meeting(the one mainly referred to) in isolation to suit you, that happened anyway long after the route was announced.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Nice summary. http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ive-for-GW501516-provisionally-suspended.aspx

We're up to 6 positives.

 

[thehog]

If the relationship is as strong as you say it is, it would have also influenced routes in previous years, considering they had meetings since 2009. You can't just use one meeting and an Olympic year to suit your agenda and thinking to validate an opinion.

Even I take the meeting(the one mainly referred to) in isolation to suit you, that happened anyway long after the route was announced.

The 2009 route was watered down for Armstrong's return. You know that. There's the infamous meeting between Armstrong & ASO at an airport. Armstrong flew in. Sealed the deal and flew straight back home again.

Shleck and Contador were a good 4 minutes faster than anyone else in that Tour.

Instead we got soft pedalling over the Tourmalet protecting Armstrong.

The idea it was going to be Armstrong V Contador on Ventoux.

 

[gooner]

The 2009 route was watered down for Armstrong's return. You know that. There's the infamous meeting between Armstrong & ASO at an airport. Armstrong flew in. Sealed the deal and flew straight back home again.

Shleck and Contador were a good 4 minutes faster than anyone else in that Tour.

Instead we got soft pedalling over the Tourmalet protecting Armstrong.

The idea it was going to be Armstrong V Contador on Ventoux.

That doesn't address my last post.

I'm not on about the 2009 Tour. This is about Sky. Two separate instances(Sky and Armstrong) that should be judged independently from each other on the information we have.

 

[thehog]

That doesn't address my last post.

I'm not on about the 2009 Tour. This is about Sky. Two separate instances(Sky and Armstrong) that should be judged independently from each other on the information we have.

It does address your post and more.

The fact you couldn't make a correlation between the London Olympics and a British Tour winner shows you're a little slow.

I'm not here to educate you. Just to inform.

 

[gooner]

It does address your post and more.

The fact you couldn't make a correlation between the London Olympics and a British Tour winner shows you're a little slow.

I'm not here to educate you. Just to inform.

I told you the route was announced long before the meeting with the ASO took place. You haven't addressed this point as you only deflected it on to Armstrong to dodge the questioning. You took one meeting in isolation to suit yourself to further your argument and say nothing about the previous ones. The timing of that meeting shows that the route couldn't have been influenced from that and if you use the previous ones you have to bring up 2010 and 2011 also.

Resorting to personal insults when you don't like the line of questioning.

I won't stoop to it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I told you the route was announced long before the meeting with the ASO took place. You haven't addressed this point as you only deflected it on to Armstrong to dodge the questioning. You took one meeting in isolation to suit yourself to further your argument and say nothing about the previous ones. The timing of that meeting shows that the route couldn't have been influenced from that and if you use the previous ones you have to bring up 2010 and 2011 also.

Resorting to personal insults when you don't like the line of questioning.

I won't stoop to it.

When was the route announced?
Sky's first meeting with ASO was in 2009.