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Bala Verde said:
Hmm

Meyer (or Maier) Meyer and Sulzberger sound suspicously German as well. Does Australia have some sort of a secret 'immigration' act, that favours German cyclists to enjoy the hospitality of Australians? Or is it because the drinking cultures are so similar, that Germans just love to pop by ;)

Ein prosit, ein prosit...

Zum wohl!
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Those riders are still australian. DOesn't matter what background they are.
 
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Men's road race:
Gerald Ciolek
Johannes Fröhlinger
André Greipel
Christian Knees
Paul Martens
Tony Martin
Grischa Niermann
Marcel Sieberg
Fabian Wegmann
Simon Geschke (Reserve)

I guess he refused selection... Maybe he hasn't given up yet!
 
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Ferminal said:
Men's road race:
Gerald Ciolek
Johannes Fröhlinger
André Greipel
Christian Knees
Paul Martens
Tony Martin
Grischa Niermann
Marcel Sieberg
Fabian Wegmann
Simon Geschke (Reserve)

I guess he refused selection... Maybe he hasn't given up yet!
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Actually I thought he said he'd give it a miss this year, but ride next year...
 
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Susan Westemeyer said:
At the risk of being called a "pretentious princess" once again, I would like to point out that as early as August 20 it was announced that Haussler would not ride the Worlds this year for Germany (or anyone else.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/haussler-to-start-for-german-national-team-again-in-2010

Susan

edit: because somehow the link didn't work out
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Yes indeed, but there's also Gerrans coming out and saying this.

“He hasn’t [put off his attempt to hold an Australian racing licence]. He hasn’t at all. I was talking to him about that on the weekend at [the GPOuest France-] Plouay (the one-day classic Gerrans won on August 23), and he’s still motivated to become Australian,” Gerrans told me two days before the start of the Vuelta a España (Tour of Spain).

“He [Haussler] said what was in the media last week was a load of bulls***, actually,” said Gerrans.

“He said [the report] made him look pretty silly, because not once has he said that he changed his mind about becoming an Australian. He’s still doing everything he can to take his licence in Australia, to become Australian again, and he wants to represent Australia next year.”
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http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentra...The-naked-truth-Haussler-hasn-t-given-up-hope

So who do we believe?

Basically his decision to not do 2009, means that he remains hopeful of an acceptable resolution enabling him to ride for Australia, if he is left with two impossible choices he will obviously ride for Germany in 2010.
 
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Ferminal said:
Yes indeed, but there's also Gerrans coming out and saying this.



http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentra...The-naked-truth-Haussler-hasn-t-given-up-hope

So who do we believe?

Basically his decision to not do 2009, means that he remains hopeful of an acceptable resolution enabling him to ride for Australia, if he is left with two impossible choices he will obviously ride for Germany in 2010.
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I'm sorry, I thought the question was whether he was going to ride for Germany this year.

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Susan Westemeyer said:
I'm sorry, I thought the question was whether he was going to ride for Germany this year.

Susan
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I think there's three questions being asked in this thread.

One, is Haussler racing the 2009 Worlds? For which the answer is a definite "no".

Two, is there really a UCI regulation that prevents a rider from changing their "nationality"? The answer seems to be "yes", but I, and I assume many other Aussies, would like to see if it's challenged at the CAS as it doesn't seem just or rational.

Three, has Haussler said any of the things attributed to him in regards to the 2010 Worlds or have members of the German Federation been putting words into his mouth? Susan maybe can you tell us, was the quote "I would like to start in the BDR jersey in my former homeland," atrributed to Haussler in the article "Haussler to start for German national team again in 2010" CN August 20 2009, directly given by Hausller or did CN source the quote from Udo Sprenger?
 
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Susan Westemeyer said:
That Haussler quote came from the BDR press release. As to whether he said those words or the BDR made them up for him, I do not know. I have not talked to him personally about this question.

If you want to ask him yourself, go here http://www.heinrich-haussler.de/ and click on Kontakt.

Susan
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I sent him a message, but I never got my reply from Heinrich himself. However the November/December issue of Bicycling Australia has an in-depth interview by Simon Hayes with Heinrich Haussler which suggests that he never changed his mind about wanting to race in green and gold.

BA It's been pretty well documented that you want to race for Australia at the World championships in 2010. Is that still the plan?

HH Yep. We're still working on it. It'll take a bit of time but it's still my dream to ride for Australia in Australia. I still want to make it happen.
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Bicycling Australia Issue 160 page 48
 
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badboyberty said:
Haussler is now saying that he will never ride the Worlds for Germany, and is prepared to give up his German passport to be allowed to race as an Australian.

http://player.sbs.com.au/cycling#/cycling_08/interviews/interviews/playlist/Heinrich-Haussler-true-blue/

I wonder whether Udo Springer's misrepresenting him in the press made it easier for him to consider surrendering his German passport?
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With haussler...
Australia are going to have plenty of cards to play for next year and the course which is for sprinters will suit the aussies a lot due to having a lot of different options.

Their many cards to play are
Evans,Mcewen, ogrady, davis, gerrans, haussler (possibly), brown and meyer
 
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With haussler...
Australia are going to have plenty of cards to play for next year and the course which is for sprinters will suit the aussies a lot due to having a lot of different options.

Their many cards to play are
Evans,Mcewen, ogrady, davis, gerrans, haussler (possibly), brown and meyer
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I'd list Mark Renshaw and Matt Goss above Graeme Brown right now. The challenge will be which sprinter to leave out of the squad to make room for Evans. We need a rule that the current WC doesn't count towards the nation's tally of nine riders.

As it is, this is one World's where Australia can pick from about 18 seriously useful riders, who'd have predicted that ten years ago.

My team pick at this stage would be
Haussler
Gerrans
Evans
Davis
Renshaw
O'Grady
McEwen
CJ Sutton
Simon Clarke

The first three to play the joker and to try to get into any moves and the rest to work for a bunch finish and try to lead Davis or Renshaw out for the sprint.

Or Evans could skip the road race and focus on the ITT, leaving room for someone else in the road team.

Yeah, I'm assuming Haussler will start, positive thinking and all that.:eek:
 
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I'd list Mark Renshaw and Matt Goss above Graeme Brown right now. The challenge will be which sprinter to leave out of the squad to make room for Evans. We need a rule that the current WC doesn't count towards the nation's tally of nine riders.

As it is, this is one World's where Australia can pick from about 18 seriously useful riders, who'd have predicted that ten years ago.

My team pick at this stage would be
Haussler
Gerrans
Evans
Davis
Renshaw
O'Grady
McEwen
CJ Sutton
Simon Clarke

The first three to play the joker and to try to get into any moves and the rest to work for a bunch finish and try to lead Davis or Renshaw out for the sprint.

Or Evans could skip the road race and focus on the ITT, leaving room for someone else in the road team.

Yeah, I'm assuming Haussler will start, positive thinking and all that.:eek:
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too many leaders there.

Haussler will have a problem getting the team to ride for him, and getting selected. The Australians will now have in-fighting potential like azzurri.

riders who have not proven ability over 240 kms will not be selected.

Cooke is a big chance to rediscover 2003 form. O'Grady is a big doubt with injury concerns and health, and Mcewen is too old and should not be taken.

Guys like Hayman who have been proven workers would be the first guys selected, with Adam Hansen who was curiously missing this year. The workers are important.

Then comes politics, so likely the guys who have come up through the system will be rewarded, O'Grady, Mcewen, most likely get selected if fit. I think O'Grady would deserve a spot, as he is not too old.

Rogers, Evans, Gerrans, Hayman, certainty as workers. Davis will be given a free role. Goss would need to show something in San Remo and the Flemish classics to get a ride. Sutton gets a ride, his family are royalty, well connected. If you take O'Grady and Mcewen, leaves about one spot for Haussler. No spot for Renshaw, Graeme Brown can be team leader for Tour of Perth instead. Hansen will miss out, because he has not graduated through the system. Davis will get team leadership with Haussler, Davis is loved by the Australians.

If the peloton stays together, can't see anyone beating Cavendish. If Stannard and Thomas get their finger out for 260km legs, and can help him, he will take Evans' jersey from him. GB are pretty weak over 260km, like to see Hunt and Hammond as his wingmen. Hopefully someone is with Cav in the last 5 ks to position him, Miller could do that job, he was on the front and let Joaquim Rodriguez let the string go when Sammy Sanchez took Valverde in Salzburg. Maybe Swift gets 260km legs, cos he has some explosiveness in his legs.

I think the Aussies can forget it, and just give the race to Cav. Wonder if Wiggo pays him back for sucking in Beijing.

AusCycle, you have showed you are clueless once again, there is no chance Meyer rides and Graeme de Bruijn can start his holiday early at Ronde de Curacao.
 
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badboyberty said:
I'd list Mark Renshaw and Matt Goss above Graeme Brown right now. The challenge will be which sprinter to leave out of the squad to make room for Evans. We need a rule that the current WC doesn't count towards the nation's tally of nine riders.

As it is, this is one World's where Australia can pick from about 18 seriously useful riders, who'd have predicted that ten years ago.

My team pick at this stage would be
Haussler
Gerrans
Evans
Davis
Renshaw
O'Grady
McEwen
CJ Sutton
Simon Clarke

The first three to play the joker and to try to get into any moves and the rest to work for a bunch finish and try to lead Davis or Renshaw out for the sprint.

Or Evans could skip the road race and focus on the ITT, leaving room for someone else in the road team.

Yeah, I'm assuming Haussler will start, positive thinking and all that.:eek:
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Evans has to be on the team. he could easily be a diversion or a strong workhorse to chase down some of the moves. I personally don't thinkwe can have all those sprinters you and i have listed in the 1 team. Not enough workhorses. i agree brown has not done much really since 04 in athens so he is really not as good as goss or renshaw. Haussler could be the x factor especially in this course with his climbing abilities (on short climbs) and obviously strong sprinting abilities.
 
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too many leaders there.

Haussler will have a problem getting the team to ride for him, and getting selected. The Australians will now have in-fighting potential like azzurri.

riders who have not proven ability over 240 kms will not be selected.

Cooke is a big chance to rediscover 2003 form. O'Grady is a big doubt with injury concerns and health, and Mcewen is too old and should not be taken.

Guys like Hayman who have been proven workers would be the first guys selected, with Adam Hansen who was curiously missing this year. The workers are important.

Then comes politics, so likely the guys who have come up through the system will be rewarded, O'Grady, Mcewen, most likely get selected if fit. I think O'Grady would deserve a spot, as he is not too old.

Rogers, Evans, Gerrans, Hayman, certainty as workers. Davis will be given a free role. Goss would need to show something in San Remo and the Flemish classics to get a ride. Sutton gets a ride, his family are royalty, well connected. If you take O'Grady and Mcewen, leaves about one spot for Haussler. No spot for Renshaw, Graeme Brown can be team leader for Tour of Perth instead. Hansen will miss out, because he has not graduated through the system. Davis will get team leadership with Haussler, Davis is loved by the Australians.

If the peloton stays together, can't see anyone beating Cavendish. If Stannard and Thomas get their finger out for 260km legs, and can help him, he will take Evans' jersey from him. GB are pretty weak over 260km, like to see Hunt and Hammond as his wingmen. Hopefully someone is with Cav in the last 5 ks to position him, Miller could do that job, he was on the front and let Joaquim Rodriguez let the string go when Sammy Sanchez took Valverde in Salzburg. Maybe Swift gets 260km legs, cos he has some explosiveness in his legs.

I think the Aussies can forget it, and just give the race to Cav. Wonder if Wiggo pays him back for sucking in Beijing.

AusCycle, you have showed you are clueless once again, there is no chance Meyer rides and Graeme de Bruijn can start his holiday early at Ronde de Curacao.
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I was just putting up some aussie riders who can sprint. i never said they will actually ride. don't shoot your mouth. i was making the point that australia has many options and maybe too many options as they have many sprinters to choose from. i'm not so sure if cav will be able to finish off in the finish. it's a tough finish and the final 700m are uphill so i think hushovd or friere would be a good bet.
 
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Cavendish proved he can handle an uphill run-in at the Tour this year, that was more than a false flat, the one Hushovd won. Cav was about 16th by following wheels.

Not many riders have the strength to sprint after 260km. Hopefully they take workers, because there was a little controversy about Gerrans leadership this year.

I would like some odds on Allan Davis, always in the finish at San Remo, he can win the Worlds in Australia next year. Him and Haussler, but if it stays together, Cav cant be beaten if Millar and Hunt and Hammond are hanging around.
 
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Cavendish proved he can handle an uphill run-in at the Tour this year, that was more than a false flat, the one Hushovd won. Cav was about 16th by following wheels.

Not many riders have the strength to sprint after 260km. Hopefully they take workers, because there was a little controversy about Gerrans leadership this year.

I would like some odds on Allan Davis, always in the finish at San Remo, he can win the Worlds in Australia next year. Him and Haussler, but if it stays together, Cav cant be beaten if Millar and Hunt and Hammond are hanging around.
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The worlds is a completely different race than to a tdf stage. cav may not have his leadout men to keep out of trouble. he is still young and sprinters like mcewen can win from nowhere. mcewen still thinks he can beat cav as he thinks disrupting the leadout is the key. cav would definetly have to be a favourite but it won't be easy for him.
 
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see how he handled San Remo.

Best win ever by a sprinter. Mcewen has had some rippers, like 2007 London stage 1, but Cavendish sprinted like a crit, when it was about 270kms in his legs, plus a Poggio and Cipressa. And Cav has a unique ability like Mcewen, to nose his way through a finish, it is just that he never required it, in the last few seasons, because he built the reputation and train at Columbia.

Mcewen is dreaming. He should stay with the weather on the Gold Coast or wherever he lives.
 
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