DirtyWorks said:Fight on Wonderboy! Be a champion!
thehog said:Don't let Hein be your Daddy. Show him who's the boss. Fight!
i'm crackin up here.
DirtyWorks said:Fight on Wonderboy! Be a champion!
thehog said:Don't let Hein be your Daddy. Show him who's the boss. Fight!
Yeah Sylvia Schenk exposed that during the summer of 2005. Under the UCI Constitution, no member of the management committee could also have a salaried contract. Pat was double-dipping. Of course the UCI Ethics Commission absolved McBruggen of any wrongdoing and even had the nerve to fine Schenk 25,000 Euros to pay for the proceedings.sniper said:Also, interesting comment from Schenk about how McQuaid had already secured his position as president well before the elections in September 2005. Apparently, he moved to Aigle, got a UCI car and presidential salary, all already in February.
She also notes (not sure if this is news) that, according to UCI rules, McQuaid shouldn't even have been eligible for the presidency (don't know exactly why). She explicitly calls it corruption.
sure, but it's turning into a PR desaster for Hein.Dazed and Confused said:McQ was just a puppet. Hes gone and without any power. Hein is still in the game. Can't say how far his web stretches, but its still in place.
The fact he hasn't resigned from his post, tells me everything I need to know.
Lance's first attempt sitting in a sh!tty pub in Florida and dishing out uncoordinated dirt will be easy game for Hein.
Hein's conscience has "never tested positive".sniper said:nice play of words here by Hein:
Correct. And McQuaid used UCI funds for campaigning. He flew out to each country to make sure he secured the votes. Schenk had nothing but her own money.Epicycle said:Yeah Sylvia Schenk exposed that during the summer of 2005. Under the UCI Constitution, no member of the management committee could also have a salaried contract. Pat was double-dipping. Of course the UCI Ethics Commission absolved McBruggen of any wrongdoing and even had the nerve to fine Schenk 25,000 Euros to pay for the proceedings.
Verbruggen made sure McQuaid became president by personally campaigning for him (which was against the rules) and changing some Asian delegates. I wouldn't be surprised if Verbruggen explicitly paid for some votes as well. Pat's competition dropped out of the race before the election because he knew the deck was stacked against him.
At least not without the benefit of a backdated TUE.Moose McKnuckles said:Hein's conscience has "never tested positive".
stevenhaagen also tells that after that threat he suddenly got tested remarkably frequently, so much so that he drastically toned down his program.Dazed and Confused said:Stevenhaagen recalled Verbruggen stating: You have a problem, boy. I can I make or break riders like you. I decide who is positive. I knows what's going on at PDM.
From an article on CN: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/former-riders-speak-of-threats-intimidation-by-verbruggen
Check the voicemail Hein left for JV. Clearly the man didn't turn mellow with the years.
Look at Mayo in 2004. Had his program toned down so much he could barely ride a bike!sniper said:stevenhaagen also tells that after that threat he suddenly got tested remarkably frequently, so much so that he drastically toned down his program.
it's the kind of manipulation we've been speculating about so often in here, UCI abusing their grip on the testing to influence results.
Apparently Hein was able to pull that kind of strings, already in the late 80s.
I give JV a hard time, but p*ssing Heiny off gains him half a point...Dazed and Confused said:Stevenhaagen recalled Verbruggen stating: You have a problem, boy. I can I make or break riders like you. I decide who is positive. I knows what's going on at PDM.
From an article on CN: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/former-riders-speak-of-threats-intimidation-by-verbruggen
Check the voicemail Hein left for JV. Clearly the man didn't turn mellow with the years.
yep, JV's intentions are good imo.JMBeaushrimp said:I give JV a hard time, but p*ssing Heiny off gains him half a point...
yet, if you re-read that OP by JV on Hein and Pat the other day (the one where he posted that voicemail), you'll see that JV never seems to have had any dispute with Hein over antidoping. Only business dispute.JMBeaushrimp said:I give JV a hard time, but p*ssing Heiny off gains him half a point...
There's a large distance between running a clean team and being Don Quichotte. JV never claimed to be the messiah who would clean cylcing. He said he would run his team differently.sniper said:yet, if you re-read that OP by JV on Hein and Pat the other day (the one where he posted that voicemail), you'll see that JV never seems to have had any dispute with Hein over antidoping. Only business dispute.
That's odd if JV has dedicated his life to antidoping.
It looks as if JV has never raised any sort of antidoping flags within the UCI during Pat's presidency. Only towards the very end, when Pat's ship was already firmly sinking after the Lance fall out, has JV come out and raise his voice. a bit late imo. Especially striking to me, still, is JV's silence during Lance comeback in '09.
No doubt people are going to misinterpret this as another irrational, anti-JV rant, but meh.sniper said:yet, if you re-read that OP by JV on Hein and Pat the other day (the one where he posted that voicemail), you'll see that JV never seems to have had any dispute with Hein over antidoping. Only business dispute.
legitimate question.Dear Wiggo said:No doubt people are going to misinterpret this as another irrational, anti-JV rant, but meh.
What I want to know is: what exactly is the "business" or the "we" that existed between Hein and JV, that (is now or is going) to be over because JV is boycotting the Tour of China?
Hein at that time was honorary president, and clearly a wheeler and dealer, seeing as he was setting the Tour up in the first place. He owns or is owner of a media company (?) from memory. But he had no official capacity with the UCI (as documented on the UCI website).
So what is it he was doing, that JV would need or desire a relationship with Hein.
Hein's a bit of a doosh, but he's not dumb, IMO. If it (the "we" of Hein and Garmin/JV) meant nothing, wtf was he thinking, by threatening JV with its cessation?
How about a bit more transparency?
Power lies not in titles, but influence and what you can get done.Dear Wiggo said:No doubt people are going to misinterpret this as another irrational, anti-JV rant, but meh.
What I want to know is: what exactly is the "business" or the "we" that existed between Hein and JV, that (is now or is going) to be over because JV is boycotting the Tour of China?
Hein at that time was honorary president, and clearly a wheeler and dealer, seeing as he was setting the Tour up in the first place. He owns or is owner of a media company (?) from memory. But he had no official capacity with the UCI (as documented on the UCI website).
So what is it he was doing, that JV would need or desire a relationship with Hein.
Hein's a bit of a doosh, but he's not dumb, IMO. If it (the "we" of Hein and Garmin/JV) meant nothing, wtf was he thinking, by threatening JV with its cessation?
How about a bit more transparency?
It's not abuse though.sniper said:UCI abusing their grip on the testing to influence results. Apparently Hein was able to pull that kind of strings, already in the late 80s.
This is despot politics and JV's just one of the royal court.sniper said:legitimate question.
the nature of that voicemail indeed seemed to suggest some preexisting understanding/relationship between jv and hein which had now come under pressure.
It's Don Quixote.Franklin said:There's a large distance between running a clean team and being Don Quichotte. JV never claimed to be the messiah who would clean cylcing. He said he would run his team differently.
I respect JV's behavior in this, had he played it differently there wouldn't have been Garmin. I also don't have the opinion that it is JV's responsibility to spill all the dirt he knows just for greater justice. Most did much less than JV in the whole road to exposure.
I'm sure many of you diagree with me on this![]()