Henao at the Giro

[Fetisoff]

lol I was going to mention that. Dont know if you were being serious but there is a elephant in the room with that tt.

Didnt our newly crowned TDF podium finsher come 2nd?

To be fair it was a prologue and Levi isnt as great at them

Yep. And Oscar Sevilla was third. All three of them beating bottle and Van Garderen among others.

Whether I was serious - well let's see, it was technically a time-trial, it was won by Henao, so yeah I was serious in that way.

Was I implying that since Henao won a 2km uphill prologue then he'll do well in a pancake flat TT at the Giro - well, I don't think even Ryo would ever do that.

 

[Kvinto]

this is the profile of the TT he had won in Utah:

But i'm curious about another time trial that he did in the Vuelta Columbia 2011 (though he lost time there):

It's the profile of 7km prologue. So here is the question: how aerodynamical you should be to ride a decent TT on such an altitude? (or maybe it's in feet )

 

[Fetisoff]

Well just looking in 2010 (the year he won) he lost 20 seconds on the final TT to Rujano, and 1:20 to Sevilla.
Although by that point he had such a lead that he didn't really have to race hard

 

[Escarabajo]

Good points, one other thing, has Henao ridden a GT yet?

Tour of Colorado!!

 

[Duartista]

Cunego is only decent on really hilly courses. That's not really due to his TT skills.

By 'decent' I only mean top 30-40. I'm aware Cunego doesn't have great TT skills - neither does Henao.

 

[Escarabajo]

Everything that Henao has lost in his life is due to poor TT.

The Vuelta a Colombia that he won and defended good on the TT was due to his excellent form. He really need to be in peak form to do a decent TT.

That TT that he won in Utah was too short and going slightly uphill. It looked more like a test for his VO2 max.

 

[Fetisoff]

Everything that Henao has lost in his life is due to poor TT.

The Vuelta a Colombia that he won and defended good on the TT was due to his excellent form. He really need to be in peak form to do a decent TT.

That TT that he won in Utah was too short and going slightly uphill. It looked more like a test for his VO2 max.

8% is not really a slight uphill. Maybe it is for Purito or Anton... But still, that's quite a slope

 

[Escarabajo]

8% is not really a slight uphill. Maybe it is for Purito or Anton... But still, that's quite a slope

My bad. Uphill. It was still too short.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

It's the Giro and the TT is only 31kms.

If he's really worried about the 2-3 minutes he could lose there to a pretty good TTer, he'll already be doing very well.

 

[greenedge]

top 10-20 maybe. Failing that a stage win could be feasible.

 

[cineteq]

If he continues to eat this stuff, he won't finish in the top 10

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Considering the work he is putting in already I don't have high hopes for his GC.

Stupid Sky turning Colombian climbers into Cavendish slaves. They should sent them straight to hell for this

 

[maltiv]

Considering the work he is putting in already I don't have high hopes for his GC.

Stupid Sky turning Colombian climbers into Cavendish slaves. They should sent them straight to hell for this

The problem is, any result achieved by Cavendish is worth 100x times more to Sky than a result by Colombians. It is indeed ridiculous, because the work Henao and Uran do at the front maybe increase Cavendish's chances of winning by like 2-3%, but it reduces their own chances to do a good GC by almost a 100%...

 

[hatcher]

He must have done 100k on the front so far.

Sorry, I mean 1k.

 

[will10]

He must have done 100k on the front so far.

Sorry, I mean 1k.

+1

Henao and Uran have hardly been working to the bone have they. And they'll get their chances in the coming days.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

He must have done 100k on the front so far.

Sorry, I mean 1k.

Exactly, so far at least it's not as if they have either Henao or Uran on the front in the style of Navardauskas for Garmin at the Tour.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

He must have done 100k on the front so far.

Sorry, I mean 1k.

Still more than the 0km Basso had to do, protected by his teammates all stage out of the wind.
GT's are all about saving energy not spending it. Something some people who speak a certain language should know by now, even though they are new(er) to the sport

 

[maltiv]

He must have done 100k on the front so far.

Sorry, I mean 1k.

1k in the front in the final 10 kilometers of a race can make a lot of difference. It's the difference between ending the day with fresh legs and with dead legs, which you obviously take with you further in the race.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Still more than the 0km Basso had to do, protected by his teammates all stage out of the wind.
GT's are all about saving energy not spending it. Something some people who speak a certain language should know by now, even though they are new(er) to the sport

Henao is in his first Grand Tour and is there, at best, as a second GC man in a team which has sprint stages as its primary goal.

I like Henao. I really want to see how well he can do. But realistically, if all he's asked to do is ride a very occasional km on the front, he'll be doing well.

 

[The Hitch]

The problem is, any result achieved by Cavendish is worth 100x times more to Sky than a result by Colombians. It is indeed ridiculous, because the work Henao and Uran do at the front maybe increase Cavendish's chances of winning by like 2-3%, but it reduces their own chances to do a good GC by almost a 100%...

I think having a contender in the mountians of the Giro could mean a lot to sky if they are serious when they say italy is a important market to them

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I think having a contender in the mountians of the Giro could mean a lot to sky if they are serious when they say italy is a important market to them

It certainly would. But I doubt if Sky expect either Uran or Henao to be right at the sharp end in this Giro.

Stage wins are worth more to them than, say, the difference between eight and twelfth on GC. And anyway, at least as I understand it, Uran rather than Henao is their primary designated GC man.

If it wasn't Cavendish vs. an exciting young Colombian, everyone here would normally be doing their nut about a team prioritising scraping into a GC top 10 over going for stage wins. That's one of the CN forum cardinal sins!

 

[Caruut]

I think having a contender in the mountians of the Giro could mean a lot to sky if they are serious when they say italy is a important market to them

Well, Italy is an important market to Sky (the company). They are the largest pay TV provider in Italy. They are essentially the same as Sky here.

 

[saunaking]

I think having a contender in the mountians of the Giro could mean a lot to sky if they are serious when they say italy is a important market to them

Ha Ha. Cav's wife & kid are worth more to sky than any top 5 mtf

 

[The Hitch]

But I doubt if Sky expect either Uran or Henao to be right at the sharp end in this Giro.

For the gc maybe not though they should have some hope, but with the altitude finish on stage 20 they might expect one of those two to have a chance at claiming a Cima Coppi and a queen stage.

Ha Ha. Cav's wife & kid are worth more to sky than any top 5 mtf

Considering that far more people watch mountain stages, and Cav is not the total centre of cycling in Italy, like he is in GB.

Well, Italy is an important market to Sky (the company). They are the largest pay TV provider in Italy. They are essentially the same as Sky here.

Ah crap. they got italy too?

 

[Michele]

Henao is in his first Grand Tour and is there, at best, as a second GC man in a team which has sprint stages as its primary goal.

I like Henao. I really want to see how well he can do. But realistically, if all he's asked to do is ride a very occasional km on the front, he'll be doing well.

To me it looked like more than a single km.

For the gc maybe not though they should have some hope, but with the altitude finish on stage 20 they might expect one of those two to have a chance at claiming a Cima Coppi and a queen stage.



Considering that far more people watch mountain stages, and Cav is not the total centre of cycling in Italy, like he is in GB.


Ah crap. they got italy too?

Yeah, Sky is quiet huge in the tv market in here.