Henao at the Giro

[Gloin22]

Again Colombia was not a full 3 week European raced GT, your thickness and failure to understand the simplest points amazes me.

But again, we can the see the claims for "he will podium easy" at giro was indeed ridiculous.

I don't think you understood what Ryo is saying.

Escarbajo said : 'Henao proved once more that he has great recovery and is very consistent.'.

But before that one week before said he thought Henao would fade during the 3rd week...which is contradictory to the statement he put.

That's why Ryo said :''yeah and now he sees he prooves again he recovers well (and is consistant). how can he proove that AGAIN when appearantly he never did before? oh the irony...''

Hope that makes sense

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I don't think you understood what Ryo is saying.

Escarbajo said : 'Henao proved once more that he has great recovery and is very consistent.'.

But before that one week before said he thought Henao would fade during the 3rd week...which is contradictory to the statement he put.

That's why Ryo said :''yeah and now he sees he prooves again he recovers well (and is consistant). how can he proove that AGAIN when appearantly he never did before? oh the irony...''

Hope that makes sense

My post to him has nothing to do with the other poster, I also had discussions on the topic. My post was only about the topic, not a personal discussion between others.

My point is that statements as fact without really considering the unknowns are stupid, despite what one perceives an entire nation may be capable of.

Hope that makes sense.

And no henao didn't surprise me or did better then I thought he would. I said at start of giro I expected 8-10th.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

You said he'd either podium or blow up, nothing in between.

yeah and he blew up in a few stages. the pampeago one and the day before I think

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I don't think you understood what Ryo is saying.

Escarbajo said : 'Henao proved once more that he has great recovery and is very consistent.'.

But before that one week before said he thought Henao would fade during the 3rd week...which is contradictory to the statement he put.

That's why Ryo said :''yeah and now he sees he prooves again he recovers well (and is consistant). how can he proove that AGAIN when appearantly he never did before? oh the irony...''

Hope that makes sense

thank you. this is what I meant

 

[Escarabajo]

I don't think you understood what Ryo is saying.

Escarbajo said : 'Henao proved once more that he has great recovery and is very consistent.'.

But before that one week before said he thought Henao would fade during the 3rd week...which is contradictory to the statement he put.

That's why Ryo said :''yeah and now he sees he prooves again he recovers well (and is consistant). how can he proove that AGAIN when appearantly he never did before? oh the irony...''

Hope that makes sense

Listen, I don't know who you are but I tell you one thing, don't put in my mouth words that I never said OK. Go back and read my posts correctly before you start the discussion. And please "read" again.

Thanks.

This is a very stupid argument.

The only reference for me was the Vuelta a Colombia, and if I am being honest is the best reference I have of him of great recovery. Having said that, that tour is only two weeks as opposed to three weeks that is the Giro. When I said he proves again I was refering to La Vuelta a Colombia. I never said He would fade in the third week. Never, never, never, never. I was was afraid that he could fade, but so a lot of forists and probably Team Sky was fearing the same thing. that is normal because he never proved himself for a third week Tour.

 

[Escarabajo]

thank you. this is what I meant

I never said he would fade. Never. And why would I do that?????? I have very high hopes for him. But in this race he proved once again, first in La Vuelta a Colombia, and now here that he can recover very well. Get it?
The only difference is that this race was three weeks as opposed to the Vuelta that was two weeks.

 

[Oliver]

Very good result! Hope to see him back @ Giro next year!

 

[hrotha]

yeah and he blew up in a few stages. the pampeago one and the day before I think

He didn't blow up. Kreuziger blew up. Henao was simply not that good in a few stages. When people were saying he'd be top 10 or 15 or whatever you said "podium or nothing".

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

that is blowing up. just like rujano blew up last year on zoncolan for instance, but still lose only 1 minute or a little more. the fact that he can limit his losses is pure mentality. and indeed I said podium or nothing and 9th place is nothing to write home about. but he showed to me enormous glimpses of great potential as a gt rider.

 

[Michele]

Losing 1 minute on something like Zoncolan would be blow up? You have some weird standards...

I agree with hrotha, he didnt blow up at all.

 

[Red Rick]

that is blowing up. just like rujano blew up last year on zoncolan for instance, but still lose only 1 minute or a little more. the fact that he can limit his losses is pure mentality. and indeed I said podium or nothing and 9th place is nothing to write home about. but he showed to me enormous glimpses of great potential as a gt rider.

Did you see Landis on la Toussuire? That was blowing

 

[Lanark]

Did you see Landis on la Toussuire? That was blowing

Obviously Landis didn't have the mentality of Colombian riders, he could have limited his losses to 20-30 seconds if he had.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Losing 1 minute on something like Zoncolan would be blow up? You have some weird standards...

I agree with hrotha, he didnt blow up at all.

you have to know the rider to understand what is blowing up. and I know them. rujano had a hungerflat and he blew. just like he blew this year on punta veleno when he was near szmyds wheel. with henao is the same thing. he can blow on steep climbs and when he does in europe it isn´t much because the climbers in giro that were steep were a lot shorter than in colombia where he would lose many minutes on linea for instance

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Obviously Landis didn't have the mentality of Colombian riders, he could have limited his losses to 20-30 seconds if he had.

clinic-landis

landis was never a real climber. just a made climber. this is like comparing apples to oranges but as usual not many understand

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

you have to know the rider to understand what is blowing up. and I know them. rujano had a hungerflat and he blew. just like he blew this year on punta veleno when he was near szmyds wheel. with henao is the same thing. he can blow on steep climbs and when he does in europe it isn´t much because the climbers in giro that were steep were a lot shorter than in colombia where he would lose many minutes on linea for instance

Ryo's knowledge of these riders is so intense he's able to see when they succeed, even when to the untrained eye it looks like yet another failure.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Losing 1 minute on something like Zoncolan would be blow up? You have some weird standards...

I agree with hrotha, he didnt blow up at all.

Selective criteria.

If a colombian/rujano loses a minute, the rider blew up and did an INCREDIBLE(!?!!) job to lose 1 minute. Amazing rider.

Anyone else and they are weak cowards basically.

 

[The Hitch]

Obviously Landis didn't have the mentality of Colombian riders, he could have limited his losses to 20-30 seconds if he had.

lol

Ryo often does provide entertainment i give him that.

 

[greenedge]

It seems odd @Ryo: that you say there is nothing to write home about with his 9th place performance but then say he showed glimpses of potential.

Finishing 9th in a first GT is quite an amazing accomplishment and shows he can develop for the future. If he were to "write home" it could talk about the days he went well ( showing those glimpses of potential ).

 

[greenedge]

You said he'd either podium or blow up, nothing in between.

Evidently he did not account for Henao having to ride for Uran after they both had bad days ( but Uran was higher ). Ryo probably did not think the mountains would also be raced so boringly.

The 21 days of racing probably also affected him more than the 16 days in the Vuelta Colombia.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It seems odd @Ryo: that you say there is nothing to write home about with his 9th place performance but then say he showed glimpses of potential.

Finishing 9th in a first GT is quite an amazing accomplishment and shows he can develop for the future. If he were to "write home" it could talk about the days he went well ( showing those glimpses of potential ).

as I said before. for someone like henao finishing 9th in a gt is nothing. but he showed glimpses of potential by being very consistant and especially, in his better days he was one of the 3 best in the race. like the sunday stage purito and and the stelvio stage after 3 weeks. also his final itt was very promising

 

[Escarabajo]

as I said before. for someone like henao finishing 9th in a gt is nothing. but he showed glimpses of potential by being very consistant and especially, in his better days he was one of the 3 best in the race. like the sunday stage purito and and the stelvio stage after 3 weeks. also his final itt was very promising

I don't think that Henao would agree with you. IMO.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

it's a big deal only in that it cements your place in a team more. henao should have more leverage considering he is 24 and in his first gt and first year ever in real european peloton. but I'm sure he didn;t amaze himself or anything. he himself said he went for top 5. so top ten is nothing amazing

 

[Froome19]

as I said before. for someone like henao finishing 9th in a gt is nothing. but he showed glimpses of potential by being very consistant and especially, in his better days he was one of the 3 best in the race. like the sunday stage purito and and the stelvio stage after 3 weeks. also his final itt was very promising

So was he not in your opinion in good form then.....
Or was he not in his best form, or was he not just consistent enough?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

no. he blowed in 2 stages that had steep climbs. that's what I said. the rest he rode very well

 

[Froome19]

no. he blowed in 2 stages that had steep climbs. that's what I said. the rest he rode very well

So he didnt show glimpses.......