How did the German Media find out?

[Benotti69]

How did the German Media find out?

Who would/could have leaked it? The Lab or someone in the German cycling federation or have we got a mole in the UCI?

 

[Intelligent Being]

Armstrong.

 

[Der_Gestreifte]

How did the German Media find out?

Who would/could have leaked it? The Lab or someone in the German cycling federation or have we got a mole in the UCI?

I can´t imagine them having someone inside the UCI.
It is always the same few people bloodhounding dopers (especially when it comes to cycling), always pulling the same experts out of their hats and they seem to cooperate very well (wich, btw, leads to conspiracy theories the CNforum-Armstrong-fanboys can only dream of).
Also that lab is situated in Cologne as is WDR where Seppelt works.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I can´t imagine them having someone inside the UCI.
It is always the same few people bloodhounding dopers (especially when it comes to cycling), always pulling the same experts out of their hats and they seem to cooperate very well (wich, btw, leads to conspiracy theories the CNforum-Armstrong-fanboys can only dream of).
Also that lab is situated in Cologne as is WDR where Seppelt works.

There's your answer.

(Relate this to where you work or have worked with other people)

Someone in the lab privy to testing - they find that there is a positive.
A month goes by and silence from the UCI, what could that mean?
Perhaps the athlete has accepted the result and does not request testing of the B sample. Yet there is no public statement.

Then you hear that the B sample has been requested. Still no public announcement - tongues wag, someone informs someone because they are concerned of a coverup. After that its an elimination process as to what big name is not riding or someone who is cancelling (lucrative) events.

Only a matter of time before dots are joined and others are informed.

 

[Escarabajo]

There's your answer.

(Relate this to where you work or have worked with other people)

Someone in the lab privy to testing - they find that there is a positive.
A month goes by and silence from the UCI, what could that mean?
Perhaps the athlete has accepted the result and does not request testing of the B sample. Yet there is no public statement.

Then you hear that the B sample has been requested. Still no public announcement - tongues wag, someone informs someone because they are concerned of a coverup. After that its an elimination process as to what big name is not riding or someone who is cancelling (lucrative) events.

Only a matter of time before dots are joined and others are informed.

Good Job Doctor.

Now, can you extend on the cancelling lucrative deals. Did Contador actually do that?

What about the media or the lab testers. Do they have any idea of who they tested on any given day? that way they narrow the range of probabilities, right?

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

How did the German Media find out?

Who would/could have leaked it? The Lab or someone in the German cycling federation or have we got a mole in the UCI?

Between the lab, a history of Germans in the sport, and their media being doping-crazy, I hope you're being rhetorical.

 

[theswordsman]

I'm not buying the German radio story right now. If they had someone in the Cologne lab, why do they say they got "the exact values" from Spain? From whom? If it's possible to detect the plastic from blood bags, why aren't people being busted for infusions all the time? Why couldn't Dr. Morkeberg, an expert, spot it in Armstrong's suspect values from the 2009 Tour, when transfusions were suspected? Is it something that would show up in normal UCI tests, or did the lab perform additional tests later on solely for the reporter?

People keep talking about the athlete's right to the process. Is an official really supposed to sacrifice that because some reporter asked him? What was the alternative to saying no? A no comment would have been the same as an implied yes. And the guy goes running around saying he lied to us, he lied to us, cover up!?

This is sketchy.

 

[brianf7]

The French Lab who sells everything to the media before the athleats are told
Even if the test in not positive they have shed suspicion .
They can do because we sign a form to give up our rights in order to get a licence.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

It certainly is interesting that this information is circulating, whether it is all accurate or not.

I would suggest that the prevalence of leaks and rumours is not unrelated to the UCI's slowness in announcing the positive tests. Rumours and leaks proliferate when the authorities give the impression that they aren't exactly keen to act in a speedy and transparent way.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Good Job Doctor.

Now, can you extend on the canceling lucrative deals. Did Contador actually do that?

What about the media or the lab testers. Do they have any idea of who they tested on any given day? that way they narrow the range of probabilities, right?

I would assume they would know they would be doing samples from the Tour - but no idea of which samples from which sport are being tested.
But once there is a positive then the lab has to contact WADA and the International Federation (IF) - hard to see that type of information remaining confidential. After that its a case of monitoring the sports news.

Contador was meant to go the US, (IIRC) to appear at interbike in Las Vegas, which would have been a 'requirement' of his contract to Specialized.
He was also due go to Kazakhstan.

 

[Anonymous]

Armstrong.

@lancearmstrong
And now it all makes sense...
1:00 PM Aug 24th via Twitter for BlackBerry®

Not as ridiculous as you think...

although ive now been told that may have been referring to landis

 

[jimmypop]

The French Lab who sells everything to the media before the athleats are told
Even if the test in not positive they have shed suspicion .
They can do because we sign a form to give up our rights in order to get a licence.

I don't believe a contract where you sign away one or more of your *rights* can be upheld in most nations.

Also, you're not very adept at forming articulate arguments, are you?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm not buying the German radio story right now. If they had someone in the Cologne lab, why do they say they got "the exact values" from Spain? From whom? If it's possible to detect the plastic from blood bags, why aren't people being busted for infusions all the time? Why couldn't Dr. Morkeberg, an expert, spot it in Armstrong's suspect values from the 2009 Tour, when transfusions were suspected? Is it something that would show up in normal UCI tests, or did the lab perform additional tests later on solely for the reporter?

People keep talking about the athlete's right to the process. Is an official really supposed to sacrifice that because some reporter asked him? What was the alternative to saying no? A no comment would have been the same as an implied yes. And the guy goes running around saying he lied to us, he lied to us, cover up!?

This is sketchy.

If (if!) this is true - and I have only read one english piece on this - the Spainish connection would make more sence than the lab.

The Spansh Federation (RFEC) would be one of those notified in the event of a positive and they would be given all the paperwork on it, name, PED, from when, if B is requested etc while the lab would have info but not know who it belongs to.

 

[Publicus]

I would assume they would know they would be doing samples from the Tour - but no idea of which samples from which sport are being tested.
But once there is a positive then the lab has to contact WADA and the International Federation (IF) - hard to see that type of information remaining confidential. After that its a case of monitoring the sports news.

Contador was meant to go the US, (IIRC) to appear at interbike in Las Vegas, which would have been a 'requirement' of his contract to Specialized.
He was also due go to Kazakhstan.

I thought the labs didn't have the control numbers for the samples? They would only know sample 'x' came back positive, right? Or has this changed since AFLD tested the Armstrong samples in 2005 and the intrepid reporter requested Armstrong's control numbers to match them up?

EDIT: Btw, he went to Kazakhstan.

 

[Arnout]

I thought the labs didn't have the control numbers for the samples? They would only know sample 'x' came back positive, right? Or has this changed since AFLD tested the Armstrong samples in 2005 and the intrepid reporter requested Armstrong's control numbers to match them up?

EDIT: Btw, he went to Kazakhstan.

In theory, yes. But in theory also A and B sample should be tested by different labs. Doesn't happen very often. I remember Mayo's case being extraordinary for that reason. Lab A gave positive, Lab B had to test B sample because Lab A was on vacation, Lab B produced inconclusive result (whatever that may be), Lab C confirmed Lab B, so they went back to Lab A where he was found positive again. So I suspect the official rules are not that important.

 

[Race Radio]

If (if!) this is true - and I have only read one english piece on this - the Spainish connection would make more sence than the lab.

The Spansh Federation (RFEC) would be one of those notified in the event of a positive and they would be given all the paperwork on it, name, PED, from when, if B is requested etc while the lab would have info but not know who it belongs to.

it is possible this is a miss-translation. It is possible they meant that they had the exact numbers of the Spainish (Meaning AC) not From the Spanish.

 

[Der_Gestreifte]

it is possible this is a miss-translation. It is possible they meant that they had the exact numbers of the Spainish (Meaning AC) not From the Spanish.

Not lost in translation.
I just watched the video one more time, he undoubtedly says

ARD has the exact values, we got them from spain, and the values show
that it is not very feasable that this comes from contaminated food...

But I wouldn´t wonder if there was some kind of connection to Spain. It just sprang to my mind that in FuentesAge Prof. Franke had an enormous knowledge about Fuentes´ notes (i.e the files from Guardia Civil) and even claimed to be in posession of them (also I vaguely remember him doing an Interview solely on Contador in 2007 but I can´t find anything on their site).
So maybe... </conspiracy>

 

[Race Radio]

Not lost in translation.
I just watched the video one more time, he undoubtedly says


But I wouldn´t wonder if there was some kind of connection to Spain. It just sprang to my mind that in FuentesAge Prof. Franke had an enormous knowledge about Fuentes´ notes (i.e the files from Guardia Civil) and even claimed to be in posession of them (also I vaguely remember him doing an Interview solely on Contador in 2007 but I can´t find anything on their site).
So maybe... </conspiracy>

Thanks for the clarification. I know that some dialects, like Schweizerdeutsch, use the article.

Could you clarify what numbers they are claiming? They seem convinced that it could not be food based because of the numbers they received from Spain....are the numbers they received from Spain different then the ones we have seen?

 

[flyor64]

How did the German Media find out?

Who would/could have leaked it? The Lab or someone in the German cycling federation or have we got a mole in the UCI?

Man, I was gonna make a joke that maybe ACF94 tipped them...but maybe not so funny now

 

[Vonn Brinkman]

Damn Germans....
First they test the stuff in Cologne and find some crazy amount of clenbuterol that French labs might have never detected....and now their media knew as well!
I sense a political conspiracy!

 

[Benotti69]

i would be interested in knowing the chain, was it a simple matter of someone in the Cologne lab leaked it to a media friend who then told a sports media friend who then went fishing for Contador on a hunch.

 

[brianf7]

I don't believe a contract where you sign away one or more of your *rights* can be upheld in most nations.

Also, you're not very adept at forming articulate arguments, are you?

On your application form for a licence you sign away the rights to any court other than CAS .

They are all in same situation read the declaration you have to sign. this is for 2011.

Should I participate in a cycling race where a drug test is conducted under the UCI Drug Test Regulations, I agree to submit to such drug tests. I agree that the results of the analysis may be made public and communicated in detail to my club, team or trade team or to my coach or doctor. I undertake to submit any protests concerning drug abuse to the “Court of Arbitration for Sport” (CAS), whose decision I shall accept as final. I agree that all urine samples taken shall become the property of the UCI, which may have them analysed, especially for purposes of health protection research and information. I agree that my doctor or the doctor of my club, team or trade team may, on a request from the UCI, communicate to it a list of any medicines I took and treatment I underwent before any given competition.

So how do the Media find out.

 

[sherer]

what we need to know is where ARD got this info from and how they then knew to get more info from Spain. Testers aren't meant to know who they are testing if they do the test will be invalid and not following protocol. Even if the lab in Cologne leaked a positive result they wouldn't know who the test was for.

Did ARD know this was a positive for Contador or just that it was a positive

 

[mastersracer]

what we need to know is where ARD got this info from and how they then knew to get more info from Spain. Testers aren't meant to know who they are testing if they do the test will be invalid and not following protocol. Even if the lab in Cologne leaked a positive result they wouldn't know who the test was for.

Did ARD know this was a positive for Contador or just that it was a positive

guess you didn't follow the Landis hearing...

 

[sherer]

guess you didn't follow the Landis hearing...

not in as much people as everyone here. I know Landis claimed there were a lot of things wrong with his test.

Care to tell me what I am missing ?