How did the German Media find out?

[Race Radio]

not in as much people as everyone here. I know Landis claimed there were a lot of things wrong with his test.

Care to tell me what I am missing ?

Most of what Landis' claimed was BS. The A sample was anonymous but by the time the B sample was tested the UCI and Landis' team had already leaked the result so they knew whose sample they were testing.

This did not matter much as Landis had his own observers to interfere and observe the testing of the B.

It appears the results for AC were kept quite. It is certainly possible that both were tested anonymously.

 

[Benotti69]

Most of what Landis' claimed was BS. The A sample was anonymous but by the time the B sample was tested the UCI and Landis' team had already leaked the result so they knew whose sample they were testing.

This did not matter much as Landis had his own observers to interfere and observe the testing of the B.

It appears the results for AC were kept quite. It is certainly possible that both were tested anonymously.

Anonymously by the lab? but the UCI and Contador would have obviously known.

I wonder was someone planning a trip to Switzerland in the near future to leave a brown envelope at the UCI office...

 

[Cobblestones]

The test of the B sample is not anonymous, since it gives the opportunity for the lawyer of the accused to watch the testing procedure, check the seals before breaking etc.

 

[staubsauger]

maybe the positive results should orginally disapear like contadors positive giro samples or his name on the funentes list through a gentlemans agreement. i bet that's the true reason why it didn't came out earlier. but the german's ruined that plan when somebody gives the information to the media.

 

[sherer]

The test of the B sample is not anonymous, since it gives the opportunity for the lawyer of the accused to watch the testing procedure, check the seals before breaking etc.

surely the lab would just know there is a witness etc there rather than who the witness is working for ?

 

[Cobblestones]

surely the lab would just know there is a witness etc there rather than who the witness is working for ?

Probably. But how hard would it be for a journalist to find out? Assume a journalist is alerted by someone in the lab that on a certain day, they're going to open the B sample in the presence of mysterious lawyer X. I would think that it's not going to be too difficult to find out (i) who mysterious lawyer X is and (ii) who his client is.

 

[Race Radio]

surely the lab would just know there is a witness etc there rather than who the witness is working for ?

You are correct. The Smoke a mirrors of Landis' was more focused on the fact that some testers performed both the A&B.

 

[Der_Gestreifte]

Could you clarify what numbers they are claiming? They seem convinced that it could not be food based because of the numbers they received from Spain....are the numbers they received from Spain different then the ones we have seen?

They don´t make clear which numbers they are talking about, or where they got them from.
It´s just (for that softener stuff) "10 times higher [than what you would expect]".

 

[oldschoolnik]

Probably. But how hard would it be for a journalist to find out? Assume a journalist is alerted by someone in the lab that on a certain day, they're going to open the B sample in the presence of mysterious lawyer X. I would think that it's not going to be too difficult to find out (i) who mysterious lawyer X is and (ii) who his client is.

Absolutely, the lab is secure, visitors would need to be announced or would have to sign-in or be escorted in. An enterprsing journo or techinician could just ask the front desk person, the secretary, security guard etc.. for the name even just the first name, then hit Google from the same country that the name is from....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I thought the labs didn't have the control numbers for the samples? They would only know sample 'x' came back positive, right? Or has this changed since AFLD tested the Armstrong samples in 2005 and the intrepid reporter requested Armstrong's control numbers to match them up?

EDIT: Btw, he went to Kazakhstan.

Firstly - all the samples would be anonomous - I am speculating that it would be known by most in the lab that there was a positive. But they may not know which event or even sport, but if a case is shrouded in silence then it would not be a stretch to join the dots that its a big nsme star.

We even did it here recently with the rider who rode the US Pro champs who was part of the Papp probe.


I didn't realise that AC went to Kazakhstan - but I read that he had pulled out of several event and he cited 'personal reasons'. Again a flag raiser to someone looking to see which top athetes have gone quiet.

 

[Race Radio]

They don´t make clear which numbers they are talking about, or where they got them from.
It´s just (for that softener stuff) "10 times higher [than what you would expect]".

Thanks, but I am still confused.

On one hand they are talking about the Clen levels and how they could not be from beef. I would assume this was because the levels were too high, which is different from what we are hearing....that the numbers were low.

On the other hand you have them talking about the plastics levels.

this thing is so confusing.

 

[Der_Gestreifte]

Thanks, but I am still confused.

On one hand they are talking about the Clen levels and how they could not be from beef. I would assume this was because the levels were too high, which is different from what we are hearing....that the numbers were low.

Ah, ok.

ARD has exact values and these values show that it not very likely,
especially as in europe it is almost impossible that food is
contaminated with clenbuterol.

That does sound nebulous and maybe this is too simple, but I think they just put 1 one 1 together:
Contadors press conference was at 12:00, this show ist at (I believe, but it certainly is well past 12:00) 13:00 to 14:00.
Contador says he had two meals containing that meat on two consecutive days. They look at their numbers which (as they are getting smaller) don´t seem to match incorporation an two days in a row (in which case a layman like me would expect a nearly constant level).

 

[Christian]

Lol I like ARD/ZDF, but when it comes to cycling and the Tour, they are beyond ridiculous.

No one cares whether you drop your crappy coverage of the Tour! Everyone watches Eurosport anyways!!

Oh, and remember what happened when you dropped it after the Sinkewitz case - it was on Sat1 and Pro7 the next day.

It just really doesn't matter.

 

[Escarabajo]

...
Contador says he had two meals containing that meat on two consecutive days. They look at their numbers which (as they are getting smaller) don´t seem to match incorporation an two days in a row (in which case a layman like me would expect a nearly constant level).

+1. LOL. I thought the same thing. When he heard his samples had contaminants for two days in a row he maybe thought the better answer was that he had meat two days in a row. LOL. Now that we know the concentrations are decreasing forming a pattern, is coming back to bite him.

 

[Race Radio]

Ah, ok.That does sound nebulous and maybe this is too simple, but I think they just put 1 one 1 together:
Contadors press conference was at 12:00, this show ist at (I believe, but it certainly is well past 12:00) 13:00 to 14:00.
Contador says he had two meals containing that meat on two consecutive days. They look at their numbers which (as they are getting smaller) don´t seem to match incorporation an two days in a row (in which case a layman like me would expect a nearly constant level).

Don't get me wrong, I think that Contador is a doper and I like that the German media are on it.....but the claim that in Europe it is not possible to get Clen from meat seems a little arrogant.

While it certainly appears that it is less possible then the past it still is possible.... especially in Spain. You only have to see what their fishing industry has done to know they have little regard for food rules.

 

[DAOTEC]

of interest

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German TV yesterday evening ARD: http://ARDitem/video/dopingtest-contador.

 

[python]

i am going out on a limb here and speculating - the primary source of the leak was........













damsgaard.

no, i don't think he picked up the receiver and called the station but more likely boasted to some friend who spilled.

he's a known lose tongue, the uci insider, quick to criticize and with tainted credibility. there i said it.