How dirty is SaxoBank-Tinkoff?

[Dazed and Confused]

Looks like Saxo (and several others) have step up the game a little in week 3.

Still more evidence is needed before we can say Contador is back on a full program.

Maybe the Alpe stage will give us more details.

 

[gustienordic]

Contador's improvement-rate is amazing, if only the TdF were three weeks longer, then his rest-day steak-dinners would give him the win!

(Too bad that steak itself is worthless for endurance athletes, perhaps he needs clen-(plus-plasticizer-)pasta, instead of clen-beef?)

Contador is a vegetarian now... just saying...

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Contador gained 2 mins on Mollema and Ten Dam, and useful time on most of the others. But do you think that Froome could have set a time 2 minutes faster? (Like in the first ITT.)

P.S. I don't think that Contador is doping, but he really does seem to be closing the gap to Froome.

Even if they were helped with a little extra pressure, Mollema and Ten Dam faded as per there usual form?

Froome had any move today covered... 12% extra is enough to cover any peaking form. loosing 9" is an interesting way to close the gap? The only recourse now is forcing tactical errors and testing his riding skills.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Riis is apparently 'pleased' with today (as opposed to Berty who wasn't). So the blood goes in tonight or have you negotiated a big payout for second?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-pleased-with-saxo-tinkoffs-time-trial-performance

Froome might be too strong to beat, but that doesn't mean he is too smart beat.

Is the BS deflection you're posting hear helping you deal with the reality that nobody believes a word coming from the Team Sky and BC camp? I don't know a single cycling fan that hasn't shed a tear of despair at what we have witnessed from the "who?" in this tour.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Looks like Saxo (and several others) have step up the game a little in week 3.

Still more evidence is needed before we can say Contador is back on a full program.

Maybe the Alpe stage will give us more details.

Yep, they should have dominated cycling for two years rather than ply real world methods at peaking for specific weeks in events like normal human athletes.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Yep, they should have dominated cycling for two years rather than ply real world methods at peaking for specific weeks in events like normal human athletes.

do you believe in Santa as well?

A person wakes up after a rest day and is world class. Precision peaking.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

do you believe in Santa as well?

A person wakes up after a rest day and is world class. Precision peaking.

No I believe in hyperbole, misrepresentation, buncombe, spin, balderdash, pseudo reasoning, and the preservation of your obviously needy ego.

Clearly you think the understanding of physiology is at neanderthal levels and that correct target peak physical fitness is definitive grounds to pretend to have a clue [!]

 

[Dazed and Confused]

No I believe in hyperbole, misrepresentation, buncombe, spin, balderdash, pseudo reasoning, and the preservation of your obviously needy ego.

Clearly you think the understanding of physiology is at neanderthal levels and that correct target peak physical fitness is definitive grounds to pretend to have a clue [!]

Clearly you think turning on a physical performance operates like a light switch.

I think you can do better, if you try harder.

 

[hrotha]

Contador didn't seem to have got better relative to Froome. Froome didn't even take the ITT too seriously, and he still beat him.

The only ones he's gained on as days gone by are the Belkin guys.

 

[Big Doopie]

Contador didn't seem to have got better relative to Froome. Froome didn't even take the ITT too seriously, and he still beat him.

The only ones he's gained on as days gone by are the Belkin guys.

Clentadopucci lost 3 mins at dauphine, two minutes at first itt, lost a whole minute in like the last two km of ventoux. But after the blood bags day he is suddenly attacking for the first time all tour and coming within 9 seconds of a guy who destroyed him just two days previous.

What a freaking joke he is. A joke that should be in prison.

Btw, when they catch gollum that will be great too. But these unrepentant proof positive dopers need to go now.

I feel sorry for mollema and ten dam. I am guessing that after everything that has gone down with rabobank and the Dutch inquiry, my guess is that they are fairly clean, and their drop in performance seems to reflect that.

And then there was peraud, Martin and talansky, the next riders you can be sure are clean. Would those guys be multi-tour winners without these state supported blood dopers?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Clentadopucci lost 3 mins at dauphine, two minutes at first itt, lost a whole minute in like the last two km of ventoux. But after the blood bags day he is suddenly attacking for the first time all tour and coming within 9 seconds of a guy who destroyed him just two days previous.

What a freaking joke he is. A joke that should be in prison.

Btw, when they catch gollum that will be great too. But these unrepentant proof positive dopers need to go now.

I feel sorry for mollema and ten dam. I am guessing that after everything that has gone down with rabobank and the Dutch inquiry, my guess is that they are fairly clean, and their drop in performance seems to reflect that.

And then there was peraud, Martin and talansky, the next riders you can be sure are clean. Would those guys be multi-tour winners without these state supported blood dopers?

Sure is a pretty strong word there. Some people are just as "sure" that Contador's overall performance so far this year shows that he is now clean.
Me? I think they all do something that falls somewhere between illegal and very fishy.

 

[rata de sentina]

Contador didn't seem to have got better relative to Froome. Froome didn't even take the ITT too seriously, and he still beat him.

The only ones he's gained on as days gone by are the Belkin guys.

Given Contador's time gaps on those behind him in this TT are pretty modest compared to what we might have seen from a fully charged AC in the past I tend to agree with you. Rest day blood bags have much more significant effects. Contador's progression in this Tour is entirely consistent with a guy coming in a little underdone with a view to lasting out the entire Tour. Meanwhile the event is clearly taking its' toll on some other people.

This would actually be a pretty good race in the absence of Froome. I am not so sure that Froome didn't take the ITT "too seriously" more likely he focussed on not going over the limit and not taking risks. Otherwise he would have won by minutes.

 

[rata de sentina]

Clentadopucci lost 3 mins at dauphine, two minutes at first itt, lost a whole minute in like the last two km of ventoux. But after the blood bags day he is suddenly attacking for the first time all tour and coming within 9 seconds of a guy who destroyed him just two days previous.

What a freaking joke he is. A joke that should be in prison.

The joke is that you are embarrassment to yourself by posting utter tripe. We get that you hate Contador and want him "in prison", just don't waste your time dressing it up with fictions. Clearly your AC antipathy is affecting your cognition.

 

[Big Doopie]

The joke is that you are embarrassment to yourself by posting utter tripe. We get that you hate Contador and want him "in prison", just don't waste your time dressing it up with fictions. Clearly your AC antipathy is affecting your cognition.

Fictions? Lol! Everything I posted in what you quoted happened exactly as I wrote it. What tour and dauphine results have you been reading.

Rotfflmfao@u!

 

[gustienordic]

Contador didn't seem to have got better relative to Froome. Froome didn't even take the ITT too seriously, and he still beat him.

The only ones he's gained on as days gone by are the Belkin guys.

Also, the parcours weren't even that suited to Froome. More climbing & Less descending would've seen a huge difference. Plus, Froome looked incredbily relaxed in the TT.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Clentadopucci lost 3 mins at dauphine, two minutes at first itt, lost a whole minute in like the last two km of ventoux. But after the blood bags day he is suddenly attacking for the first time all tour and coming within 9 seconds of a guy who destroyed him just two days previous.

What a freaking joke he is. A joke that should be in prison.

Btw, when they catch gollum that will be great too. But these unrepentant proof positive dopers need to go now.

I feel sorry for mollema and ten dam. I am guessing that after everything that has gone down with rabobank and the Dutch inquiry, my guess is that they are fairly clean, and their drop in performance seems to reflect that.

And then there was peraud, Martin and talansky, the next riders you can be sure are clean. Would those guys be multi-tour winners without these state supported blood dopers?

All the people who were struggling earlier in the tour have suddenly come up with miraculous performances. They could not even attack once earlier, and are now attacking fiercely. Sky, Belkin, Quintana at the same level but suddenly Contador, Kreuziger, Valverde, Rodriguez, Schleck are suddenly at a new level in comparison. That is very very suspicious. It is highly improbable that in the span of 4 days such an improvement can be gained.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yes Big Dopie you are completely right, Alberto should be in prison together with child rapists and murderers. What a load of BS.

 

[Cimber]

Yes Big Dopie you are completely right, Alberto should be in prison together with child rapists and murderers. What a load of BS.

He and Froome can share a cell

 

[Roninho]

I feel sorry for mollema and ten dam. I am guessing that after everything that has gone down with rabobank and the Dutch inquiry, my guess is that they are fairly clean, and their drop in performance seems to reflect that.

Yes except for that thing that Ten Dam is borderline top 5 material out of nowhere at the age of 32.

And then there was peraud, Martin and talansky, the next riders you can be sure are clean. Would those guys be multi-tour winners without these state supported blood dopers?

Eh sure to be clean? You havn't been following cycling for long have you? The last thing you want to say about a rider is that you can be sure they are clean, especially if your talking about 3 guys in top 10 of the TDF.

I actually think the overall level of the top 10-15 seems to be a bit down in terms of performance, so i could see a couply of cleanish to somewhat dirty (non blood doping/exotic drugs) riders to get a top finish. On the other hand i also think i see circumstancial evidence of doped up riders, for some a bit stronger then others, but there isn't one rider in the top 10 óf who i am going to say that i'm 'sure to be clean'.

As for Contador, he doesn't look like he is on the 2007-2010/11 programm, but with his background, running 2nd overall, riding for Riis and his teammate Kreuziger in the form of his life as well i would say i expect him to be on some form of a decent to good program.

 

[rata de sentina]

All the people who were struggling earlier in the tour have suddenly come up with miraculous performances. They could not even attack once earlier, and are now attacking fiercely. Sky, Belkin, Quintana at the same level but suddenly Contador, Kreuziger, Valverde, Rodriguez, Schleck are suddenly at a new level in comparison. That is very very suspicious. It is highly improbable that in the span of 4 days such an improvement can be gained.

"miraculous" but they still lost.... good luck with that

Valverde wasn't 2nd until he got a flat - tick
Kreuziger didn't drag AC up Ax3 - tick
No one attacked Sky on stage 9 - tick
No one took 1min out of Froome on stage 13 - tick
Belkin boys are at the "same level" but have lost a bunch of time - tick
Schleck unexpectedly does better in a mountain TT than a flat one - tick

Are you and Big Doopie having some kind of memory loss competition?

 

[Bakhjulet]

Contador didn't seem to have got better relative to Froome. Froome didn't even take the ITT too seriously, and he still beat him.

The only ones he's gained on as days gone by are the Belkin guys.

Froome dopes, so the time gaps should be big. The gaps weren't big. Conclusion: Froome took it relatively easy.

 

[lemoogle]

Froome dopes, so the time gaps should be big. The gaps weren't big. Conclusion: Froome took it relatively easy.

No, Froome clearly said he took it easy... All the other GC guys overperformed really ( looking at guys like rodriguez ). So yes it is pretty amazing that he takes it easy expecting to lose time but still wins. The arrogance in saying that he wasn't trying really doesn't help his case.

 

[Bakhjulet]

No, Froome clearly said he took it easy... All the other GC guys overperformed really ( looking at guys like rodriguez ). So yes it is pretty amazing that he takes it easy expecting to lose time but still wins. The arrogance in saying that he wasn't trying really doesn't help his case.

Where did he say that? That he wouldn't risk too much on the descents is one thing, but did Froome actually say he took it easy on the climbs? He was equal with a full blast going Contador on the first climb, 15-20 seconds ahead of Purito, Piti and Kreuziger. On the second climb he was just a few seconds slower than Purito and faster than everyone else if you consider the bike change.

 

[uphillstruggle]

Clentadopucci lost 3 mins at dauphine, two minutes at first itt, lost a whole minute in like the last two km of ventoux. But after the blood bags day he is suddenly attacking for the first time all tour and coming within 9 seconds of a guy who destroyed him just two days previous.

What a freaking joke he is. A joke that should be in prison.

Btw, when they catch gollum that will be great too. But these unrepentant proof positive dopers need to go now.

I feel sorry for mollema and ten dam. I am guessing that after everything that has gone down with rabobank and the Dutch inquiry, my guess is that they are fairly clean, and their drop in performance seems to reflect that.

It's must be hard for AC to take watching Froome get away with the same level of doping he has previous got away with. In the end the 'why should I be singled out and punished' when everyone else is doping is what destroyed Pantani. I can see AC getting caught again - he just seems to be unlucky compared to most.

I mean look at the record times on vontoux. In 2009 nearly everyone in the top ten finishers on the stage beat Froomes time. 4 years later only one person is hitting those times.

Oh, and interesting Tem Dam's contract is up

 

[hrotha]

Froome dopes, so the time gaps should be big. The gaps weren't big. Conclusion: Froome took it relatively easy.

Don't blame me, blame Froome. He said it himself.

Plus, hello, we have eyes.