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Ferminal

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I don't know, either Roche wasn't close to this good in 2010 or the 2010 Velits is a lot better than the one seen in the past three seasons.
 
Benotti69

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Kokoso said:
Good point. Benotti talking BS.
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Nope. What makes you think Roche ever rode clean? He is omerta like most of the peloton. His father was a an unaplogetic doper, who to this day denies doping and who appears to be influential in his Nicos career. He is protected by McQuaid. His performance has also risen with Riis. Riis = better doping.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Nope. What makes you think Roche ever rode clean? He is omerta like most of the peloton. His father was a an unaplogetic doper, who to this day denies doping and who appears to be influential in his Nicos career. He is protected by McQuaid. His performance has also risen with Riis. Riis = better doping.
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Just've talked about Roche considering a sprinter, that's just too much.

Sins of fathers but...are just sins of fathers. His performance rise in TT with Riis and that's expectable, considering he raced for AG2R who appeared to ignore TT's. He doesn't look to me much better climber, does he?
 
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Just've talked about Roche considering a sprinter, that's just too much.

Sins of fathers but...are just sins of fathers. His performance rise in TT with Riis and that's expectable, considering he raced for AG2R who appeared to ignore TT's. He doesn't look to me much better climber, does he?
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Roche was a much bigger rider and contested sprints, never won them as he was not a Cav, Petacchi, Grepiel, etc

Roche Snr has had a big influence on Roche Jnrs career. I guess in more ways than one. The Roche's are very closely aligned with the McQuaids. The McQauids never had a problem with doping and neither it would appear has Roche Jnr when ever he opened his mouth or penned an article he ignored it.

AG2R ignore TTs? Since when? They might not have the money to wind tunnel test.
 
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I suspect that this is in part down to him spending most of his career with Ag2r, who may be second only to Euskaltel in the who pays the least attention to TTing stakes in the pro peloton. They didn't even issue their GC riders with TT bikes up until recently, which is even more indicative of their attitude to the discipline than their consistent record of getting clubbed like baby seals in TTTs.

I suspect that any GC rider who moves from a long spell at AG2r to Garmin, Movistar, Saxo etc will stand a good chance of improving at least at the TT. Ag2r have had a few decent TT riders on their team, but all of the ones I can think of arrived at the team as noted TT riders to begin with.

(Pozzovivo's freak TT performance in this Vuelta is even odder against that background0.
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I know about the whole not having a TT bike to train on and it was certainly a poor move by AG2R. But still, he's had the equipment when he needed it to race and I'm a bit skeptical of the idea that a bit of practice and a day in a wind tunnel makes that big a difference. Shaving a few seconds is certainly possible but its not as if he was riding TTs on a penny farthing dressed in a clown costume up to now.

Yeah, memories of Rasmussen 07 or Pantani 98 there alright...
 
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Clean Saxo Bank?

If there is any question marks on Saxo Bank-Tinkoff I would look into Chris Horner`s performance in this years Vuelta.

Chris Horner is for sure a dopehead, there is no way that this guy is clean!

Yeah, but he have never tested positive! Lance Armstrong did not test positive either!!

Since the Americans start showing up on the world stage in the nineties please give me ONE name/rider whom is/or was clean?

And now the British is showing up, same scenario.
 
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kalmar11 said:
If there is any question marks on Saxo Bank-Tinkoff I would look into Chris Horner`s performance in this years Vuelta.

Chris Horner is for sure a dopehead, there is no way that this guy is clean!

Yeah, but he have never tested positive! Lance Armstrong did not test positive either!!

Since the Americans start showing up on the world stage in the nineties please give me ONE name/rider whom is/or was clean?

And now the British is showing up, same scenario.
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butthurt nationalistic fans :) welcome to the right part of the forum for you. You will find many friends here, like you.
 
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kalmar11 said:
If there is any question marks on Saxo Bank-Tinkoff I would look into Chris Horner`s performance in this years Vuelta.

Chris Horner is for sure a dopehead, there is no way that this guy is clean!

Yeah, but he have never tested positive! Lance Armstrong did not test positive either!!

Since the Americans start showing up on the world stage in the nineties please give me ONE name/rider whom is/or was clean?

And now the British is showing up, same scenario.
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Wrong Thread:(

It doesn't mean you are not right, obviously..
 
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Benotti69 said:
Nope. What makes you think Roche ever rode clean? He is omerta like most of the peloton. His father was a an unaplogetic doper, who to this day denies doping and who appears to be influential in his Nicos career. He is protected by McQuaid. His performance has also risen with Riis. Riis = better doping.
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In the end he was probably only slightly better than in Vuelta 2010. He had better team and that's what enabled him to reach better GC placing - TT and stage 17 to Burgos. If not for the stage 17, Pozzovivo and Pinot would end in front of him probably.
Not better climber, but improved hi TT.

So much for your BS talks.
 
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Cycle Chic said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-and-riis-ride-box-hill

What's going on here then ?? well fishy !! or is Box Hill the new Ventoux ?
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Whatever it is you smoke, please pass it around.

Saxo was on a one week promotion tour of Europe. I am sure Contadors favourite thing to do on a friday evening does not inlude box hill twice in the rain. But with his salary also comes responsibility in keeping the sponsors happy, hence appearances like this.
 
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Cycle Chic said:
Ohhh....didn't get that.
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From the article:
Contador and Riis ride Box Hill
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In London on the last leg of their 'European tour' of main sponsor Saxo Bank's various offices, the pair took the opportunity to stretch their legs on one of the UK's best-loved climbs in the backyard of British rivals Team Sky.
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Together with a number of Saxo Bank employees, two laps were, given Friday's weather, quite enough — but the 30-year-old Spaniard will need to up his intensity if he wants to unseat reigning champion Chris Froome at the Tour de France next summer.
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LaFlorecita

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Can someone explain to me how Contador and Riis climbing Box Hill with Saxo Bank employees can be considered fishy?
 
Zam_Olyas

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LaFlorecita said:
Can someone explain to me how Contador and Riis climbing Box Hill with Saxo Bank employees can be considered fishy?
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They were in ENgland and had fish and chips for breakfast so cyclechic felt the smelt of fish. :D
 
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