How dirty is SaxoBank-Tinkoff?

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roundabout

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GreasyMonkey said:
If the same situation occurred in any EU country where the blood (or any sample of their being i.e. tissue, DNA, etc) of a party not subject to criminal sanction is provided as evidence in a court of law, it can ONLY be used for evidence for that particular instance in the charges before the court, not be sampled, passed around amongst other parties, etc - then it must either be returned to the rightful owner or destroyed.

If you can provide me a documented account of such an instance, I would love to see it, but I will not hold my breath.

EU laws are not applicable in Switzerland, either, so don't send that dog a'hunting.
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Gee, I wonder how Italians or Germans managed to get hold of DNA samples from blood bags in Spain?

I wonder why nobody didn't tell them that it's illegal.

Oh, right, doping was a criminal offence there. Another unfair advantage to the spanish
 
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And speaking of dogs, it might have gone over your apologist head, but CAS is based in Switzerland so good luck hiding behind "privacy laws".
 
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something i find mighty interesting is that all those (of former employees) pointing fingers at Saxo-Tinkoff, is in at least one of these boxes

1. had a bad break with the team either doing or following their change to another team

2. have been caught lying though their teeth about own doping abuse.

Hence they have plausible motivation for trying to pull Riis through the mud, hence their witness credibility is suspect.
 
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Devilen said:
something i find mighty interesting is that all those (of former employees) pointing fingers at Saxo-Tinkoff, is in at least one of these boxes

1. had a bad break with the team either doing or following their change to another team

2. have been caught lying though their teeth about own doping abuse.

Hence they have plausible motivation for trying to pull Riis through the mud, hence their witness credibility is suspect.
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In other words, you like Riis' credibility?
 
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roundabout said:
Gee, I wonder how Italians or Germans managed to get hold of DNA samples from blood bags in Spain?

I wonder why nobody didn't tell them that it's illegal.

Oh, right, doping was a criminal offence there. Another unfair advantage to the spanish
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CONI had a legal sample of Valverde's DNA from a blood sample taken when the Tour de France crossed into Italian territory, they requested a check if that DNA profile was a match to any of the Operación Puerto samples - the initial court rejected the request, a higher court ruled on appeal that a "Yes/No" answer could be given, that was all - no physical sample or identifying records could be given.

German anti-doping authorities (or court..), did likewise presented a DNA profile requesting clarification if there was a match - again the ruling from the Spanish courts was that a "Yes/No" answer could be given, that was all - no physical sample or identifying records could be given.

CAS is not a court with powers of evidence collection or formulation of prosecution, they are the final appellate body for the hearing of disputes in International Sport.
They will not and cannot collect evidence (hence cannot request such from any other body or court), that is the role of the investigative arms of the National Anti-Doping bodies.

Three out of three WRONG..... sorry:D
 
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Lanark said:
In other words, you like Riis' credibility?
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Riis' credibility is questionable ... but my point is that the credibility of those pointing fingers is (at least) just as questionable ... as no side is credible i tend to believe only cold hard facts, from which there is none disagreeing with the opinion that Riis put forward (hence he's to be seen as innocent)
 
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He will have to take a short trip to Spain tonight, if he wants to do something tomorrow.
 
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In Spain doping is very easy. FACT. Not only Spanish climbers can exploit the situation. The OP had a long list of non Spanish customers, right? (FACT)
So your words were a little distasteful, frankly. That said, only a little (in fact we didn't say anything). Same for La Flo, who just pointed that out (but didn't call you to be banned, which you did, just to make sure to be on the wrong side).
This discussion is really pointless, but if you're gonna make such a big deal of it go on.
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You are missingdoping the point totally. All blodbags collected from the Fuentes Raid are fromm before july 2006.

At that point was legal in Spain or at least no illegal. Therefore you can't use the collected bags as evidence in any type of legal action.

So whatever you think is ok just ain't.
 
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Hopefully it was just a matter of going the next bag a day later. Contador knows he cannot compete head to head, only hope is a surprise like Fuente De. We all know how he recovered after cracking on Galibier 2011...
 
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