How dirty is SaxoBank-Tinkoff?

[EnacheV]

After today's stage i think we can close this thread with the conclusion of systematic team doping.

ex dopers team
ex doped DS
running TTT 30km alone against the wind

case closed?

 

[calinmarian]

After today's stage i think we can close this thread with the conclusion of systematic team doping.

ex dopers team
ex doped DS
running TTT 30km alone against the wind

case closed?

No,case still open.

 

[sniper]

is it fair to say that contador screwed valverde today?

 

[LaFlorecita]

is it fair to say that contador screwed valverde today?

no.

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[Frosty]

is it fair to say that contador screwed valverde today?

Valverde wasnt going to get back when Saxo zoomed off. Not sure what the gap was but it was several minutes.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

is it fair to say that contador screwed valverde today?

No, Valverde had given up chasing 25km earlier, so there is nothing that he can hold against Contador & Saxo-Bank, but Belkin better watch their collective backs, Movistar will be out with the knives for them.

 

[mrhender]

After today's stage i think we can close this thread with the conclusion of systematic team doping.

ex dopers team
ex doped DS
running TTT 30km alone against the wind

You must be kidding!!

Then why do they suffer so much in the mountains!!

Today was a well performed and perfectly timed ALL OUT performance..

The problably will be half dead tomorrow..

If The Froome group had did more the first 10 k they would have closed the only 10 second gap..

But Saxo was beleiving it and cracked the morale of SKY and the helpers that is why they won today..

Call me naive -i dont care -it is much moore naive to beleive the Froome "fairytale"

 

[Cookster15]

After today's stage i think we can close this thread with the conclusion of systematic team doping.

ex dopers team
ex doped DS
running TTT 30km alone against the wind

You must be kidding!!

Then why do they suffer so much in the mountains!!

Today was a well performed and perfectly timed ALL OUT performance..

The problably will be half dead tomorrow..

If The Froome group had did more the first 10 k they would have closed the only 10 second gap..

But Saxo was beleiving it and cracked the morale of SKY and the helpers that is why they won today..

Call me naive -i dont care -it is much moore naive to beleive the Froome "fairytale"

Agree. The whole Saxo team is strong, ironically the only exception seems to be their leader AC. On stage 8 Rogers was pulling in the mountains like his Sky days.

 

[go crazy]

Agree. The whole Saxo team is strong, ironically the only exception seems to be their leader AC. On stage 8 Rogers was pulling in the mountains like his Sky days.

I don't really understand this sentiment that AC is not doing well. He's not doing well relative to Dawg (but who is), and not doing well relative to Spanish Beef AC, but he's 2:45 behind Froome, less than 20s out of 2nd, and will probably end up 2nd in Paris. Just goes to show you how ridiculous Froome is, he's making everyone look like chumps.

 

[Benotti69]

I don't really understand this sentiment that AC is not doing well. He's not doing well relative to Dawg (but who is), and not doing well relative to Spanish Beef AC, but he's 2:45 behind Froome, less than 20s out of 2nd, and will probably end up 2nd in Paris. Just goes to show you how ridiculous Froome is, he's making everyone look like chumps.

With what we now know about Armstrong and the UCI being in cahoots, i strongly suspect something similar with Sky, but i guess it is being strained with Cookson now running against McQuaid so things could get very interesting.

 

[buckle]

Ping

If today was genuine then it's probable that Sky will counter Saxo in the mountains. Who knows they just might get careless with the blood bags.

 

[Netserk]

I still don't get it. The whole team is probably the strongest(/most doped) in the Tour, but for some reason Contador can't perform like the others (compared to earlier strength).

 

[Benotti69]

I still don't get it. The whole team is probably the strongest(/most doped) in the Tour, but for some reason Contador can't perform like the others (compared to earlier strength).

People respond differently to the 'juice'. Maybe Contador is taking a lot less 'juice' then before so his performance is down. Taking less risks after last time he had a steak in July.

One of the big things about Armstrong was how well he responded to doping. Froome seems to have responded to 'marginal gains' better than guys like Kennaugh and Thomas who were earmarked as future greats.

 

[Miburo]

People respond differently to the 'juice'. Maybe Contador is taking a lot less 'juice' then before so his performance is down. Taking less risks after last time he had a steak in July.

One of the big things about Armstrong was how well he responded to doping. Froome seems to have responded to 'marginal gains' better than guys like Kennaugh and Thomas who were earmarked as future greats.

If that's the case, then was he still so dominant in the giro of 2011?

I completely understand the argument that Contador is a doper but nothing changed in the last 2 years. Contador was already caught in 2010, right?

Still he did amazing in 2011, his suspension didn't changed anything so clinic-wise i don't really get why he can't have the same level as in 2011.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I still don't get it. The whole team is probably the strongest(/most doped) in the Tour, but for some reason Contador can't perform like the others (compared to earlier strength).

Maybe he refuses to dope. Maybe he refuses to dope a lot. Maybe he caught as zam would say a severe disease while transfusing blood, maybe he doesn't feel like training because he is lazy or because mrs contador wants a baby and 5 hours a day in the saddle doesn't help, maybe he's past his peak, maybe he is hiding and will go full *** in the alpes, maybe his epilepsy has gotten worse, maybe he peaked wrong, maybe he peaks like A Schleck but for just one week, maybe stage 8 was just a really bad day, maybe he is depressed, maybe he's suffering from allergies, maybe he's injured or ill, maybe he's got a major saddle sore, maybe he's being target tested, so many explanations.

 

[sniper]

contador always was somewhat of a light-weight, so the weight-losing drug which is en vogue at the moment and from which sky are benefitting so much is not really helping contador a lot.
At the same time, contador is probably off the blooddoping, the PED to which he responded so well in the years 2007-10.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why do you think he is off the blood doping?

 

[BYOP88]

Why do you think he is off the blood doping?

contador always was somewhat of a light-weight,

I want to know why he was using Clenbuterol, if he was already 'light=weight'

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

is it fair to say that contador screwed valverde today?

Huh?????

I still don't get it. The whole team is probably the strongest(/most doped) in the Tour, but for some reason Contador can't perform like the others (compared to earlier strength)

Is his performance far of his of the Vuelta last year?

I find him more impressive than his 500CC every other day BB days, that Time Trialling in those days, hahahaha. Come on. Slapstick. Even Andy Schleck wasnt that ridiculous.

 

[sniper]

Why do you think he is off the blood doping?

in 2010 he got targeted i assume because of a dodgy bloodprofile.
not just that, the dirty bloodbag was also why the clen-traces ended up in the sample, and additionally he tested positive for plasticizers.
so that's three red flags, all due to blooddoping.

he might still be doing it at a very safe microlevel, but not full throttle like in 2007-10.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

in 2010 he got targeted i assume because of a dodgy bloodprofile.
not just that, the dirty bloodbag was also why the clen-traces ended up in the sample, and additionally he tested positive for plasticizers.
so that's three red flags, all due to blooddoping.

he might still be doing it at a very safe microlevel, but not full throttle like in 2007-10.

Who has the UCI on speeddial? Could it be?

Contador is a doper, big time, but he got framed, also big time.

 

[sniper]

I want to know why he was using Clenbuterol, if he was already 'light=weight'

relatively speaking. well i could be wrong.
in any case, as benotti and others have also noticed, it looks as if he's not responding optimally to the designerPEDs that are currently running through the peloton.

on the other hand, people also agree that he's not looking very bad. He's slow only compared to the Dawgster.
and if Riis brought the brown envelopes, we might see a rejuvenated Saxo in the remainder of the Tour.

 

[Netserk]

It still begs the question: Why was he so strong in 2011 then?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

It still begs the question: Why was he so strong in 2011 then?

Against who? Or is that Lampre fellow really capable of challenging Contador?

 

[Netserk]

Against who? Or is that Lampre fellow really capable of challenging Contador?

Have you seen how fast he went on Etna?

He was also a *lot* stronger in the Tour afterwards, than Froome was in the Vuelta last year...