How easy is it to buy PEDs

[Arnout]

Very, it turns out. Out of interest (no no I don't want to use PEDs myself ) I googled "EPO kopen", the Dutch equivalent of "Buying EPO".

Look at the first link I got: http://anabolen-bestellen.com/Producten.php
They advertise to send it to you anonymously, all your details will be encrypted. Obviously this site is more for bodybuilders and the likes, but one is able to buy things like EPO.

Now, I know PEDs are not illegal by law in the Netherlands, but I didn't imagine it would be this easy to buy this stuff. At the same time, I realize when you're on a professional program you won't use sites like this, but rather a personal supplier, but still, I thought it was interesting to share. Maybe this is well-known in the clinic, in that case, just ignore this.

Oh and if you're a pro cyclist: GO AWAY

 

[Caruut]

Is the name for that site essentially "Best anabolics sellers"?

 

[Arnout]

The URL is just "Order-anabolics". The title is in English, so I don't know what you mean?

 

[Caruut]

The URL is just "Order-anabolics". The title is in English, so I don't know what you mean?

I thought bestellen sounded like best seller. That's all. Still quite a brazen site name.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Once you've got a source, you need advice on use: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/

I found it accidentally looking for whatever Schleck got busted on. It's all there. Pretty easy all the way around as long as you aren't stupid about it.

 

[issoisso]

Sentjens said that when he made the decision to use EPO he went to a pharmacy and they were all out. So he went to a second pharmacy on the same street and bought it over the counter.

 

[thehog]

Worth reading the recent account of a Cat 4 racer:


http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...relevance-a-cat-3-turns-to-epo-and-hgh_232611


“There was a pro from Jelly Belly who was selling his, and I ended up buying it. And I started using it. I was a [Cat.] 4. It was kind of ridiculous,” Anthony said. “That was sort of the begging to justify going in a bad direction.”

 

[biokemguy]

Worth reading the recent account of a Cat 4 racer:


http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...relevance-a-cat-3-turns-to-epo-and-hgh_232611


“There was a pro from Jelly Belly who was selling his, and I ended up buying it. And I started using it. I was a [Cat.] 4. It was kind of ridiculous,” Anthony said. “That was sort of the begging to justify going in a bad direction.”

quote out of context much...the way you place this quote in this thread makes it sound like the Jelly Belly guy is selling his dope, when he's actually selling his altitude tent...

hopefully you don't wonder why the clinic has the reputation it does...

 

[Ripper]

Worth reading the recent account of a Cat 4 racer:


http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...relevance-a-cat-3-turns-to-epo-and-hgh_232611


“There was a pro from Jelly Belly who was selling his, and I ended up buying it. And I started using it. I was a [Cat.] 4. It was kind of ridiculous,” Anthony said. “That was sort of the begging to justify going in a bad direction.”

quote out of context much...the way you place this quote in this thread makes it sound like the Jelly Belly guy is selling his dope, when he's actually selling his altitude tent...

hopefully you don't wonder why the clinic has the reputation it does...

Good point Biokemguy.

I thought this article was actually relatively weel written and interesting. I also think it delves into the obsessive/addictive personality factors that can fuel doping. I thought some of the insights were pretty darn honest.

It's interesting, because at times I have wondered "how far would I go". I decided on the path I am on a long time ago and super, super glad I did. I could easily have gotten into HGH and EPO. And I would say I am not that much more talented than this fella. I got into Cat 2 without anything, but really, I coulda gone in a different direction.

 

[Ferminal]

Heaps of sites selling peptides.

 

[Dr.Sahl]

Very, it turns out. Out of interest (no no I don't want to use PEDs myself ) I googled "EPO kopen", the Dutch equivalent of "Buying EPO".

Look at the first link I got: http://anabolen-bestellen.com/Producten.php
They advertise to send it to you anonymously, all your details will be encrypted. Obviously this site is more for bodybuilders and the likes, but one is able to buy things like EPO.

Now, I know PEDs are not illegal by law in the Netherlands, but I didn't imagine it would be this easy to buy this stuff. At the same time, I realize when you're on a professional program you won't use sites like this, but rather a personal supplier, but still, I thought it was interesting to share. Maybe this is well-known in the clinic, in that case, just ignore this.

Oh and if you're a pro cyclist: GO AWAY

If you need some, I could always give you a prescription for a little extra fee... (haha)

 

[Fatclimber]

Worth reading the recent account of a Cat 4 racer:


http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...relevance-a-cat-3-turns-to-epo-and-hgh_232611


“There was a pro from Jelly Belly who was selling his, and I ended up buying it. And I started using it. I was a [Cat.] 4. It was kind of ridiculous,” Anthony said. “That was sort of the begging to justify going in a bad direction.”

Interesting article, scary too. I remember years ago wondering aloud to a fellow clubmate how many of the top pros were dirty. His response was, "I wonder how many in our club are dirty!" Pathetic if true, but got me wondering. Competitive personality and the internal justification of 'I'm just leveling the playing field with the younger guy,' just like David Anthony did, makes for some stupid *** choices. Dopers at any level are pathetic and disgusting.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Well, one member on here has direct, first-hand experience with just how easy (or difficult) it is to set up a discrete international distribution ring. But I don't know if he wants to post on the subject.

Anyone who has ever been to CuttingEdgeMuscle.com knows there's a big iceberg out there. BigBoat (RealGains?) could share more if he's around, but I don't know what mood he's in and what version of truth/bs you're libel to get from him if he posts.

Doping as a Cat 4 is pretty pathetic. But at the same time it doesn't surprise me.

 

[BroDeal]

The big issue might not be buying something, paying for it, and having it shipped to you. It is what that something turns out to be.

 

[Oldman]

With "low T" advertising all over US TV (particularly California where vanity quotients run at their highest) how tough would it be to convince someone to sell their prescribed stuff? You'd want some separation from the source so your twin brother (no-not chimera) would be a bad choice.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

With "low T" advertising all over US TV (particularly California where vanity quotients run at their highest) how tough would it be to convince someone to sell their prescribed stuff? You'd want some separation from the source so your twin brother (no-not chimera) would be a bad choice.

Sorry if this has been discussed already. I am low t (not for performance, more so for sluggishness as I aged. People hear it and they seem to think 'SEX' all the time. Couldn't be further from the truth as far as that goes)


Not likely to sell any of mine. At all. Maybe others would sell theirs if they got a prescription, found it useless and just wanted to get rid of it.

it definitely helps with 'vigor' in my case. (I don't race and I guess if I ever got my weight down and fitness up I would have to stop using it if i wanted to enter a race.)

I would venture that it probably works best to achieve faster recovery when training (or a stage race) and perhaps a little higher intensity. Not sure, I only dream of being a real athlete.

The androgel you see advertised like crazy with the pump androgel. My insurance is cr@p this year, it went from $120/qtr to $800/qtr so I switched to an injectable version so I am back to about the same price. But the few pumps I had laying around I definitely hoard like crazy because one never knows what is going on with the price of the next refill.

by the way, the injectable works actually TOO good compared to androgel and I have backed off the dosage as it can have some unwanted side effects in higher concentrations. I think a lot of androgel never gets fully absorbed thru the skin whereas the injectable gives you the full monty. Not a big fan of injecting myself, but it's not the end of the world.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Thanks for the candid post, AL.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Thanks for the candid post, AL.

There are negatives with too much, most obviously a lot of upper torso acne which tipped me off to the injectable doing its job too well. I was absolutely conviced that bugs were crawling on me. Scary!

And moodiness. When I see guys like wiggins lose their cool (does the fool know how ugly that word " C**T " is here in America. ???) I think to myself is he amped up on hormones; I have snapped uncharacterstically at my family (as opposed to my characteristic snapping!) and wonder if it was too high a t count. My dr called it a destabilizer and said there is no danger in too low a T count, but too high can be troublesome.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Interesting article, scary too. I remember years ago wondering aloud to a fellow clubmate how many of the top pros were dirty. His response was, "I wonder how many in our club are dirty!" Pathetic if true, but got me wondering. Competitive personality and the internal justification of 'I'm just leveling the playing field with the younger guy,' just like David Anthony did, makes for some stupid *** choices. Dopers at any level are pathetic and disgusting.

This was a really well written article and interesting story.

 

[Berzin]

This is my opinion on the Anthony article from Velonews, which I also posted on their forum-


"Judgments aside, I totally understand where this guy is coming from.

Anthony seems to suffer from John Galt syndrome-"I must win because I'm a winner". He comes from the group of people in society who are self-absorbed, believe they win in life because they are the chosen winners, and MUST win at EVERYTHING. And cheating isn't wrong if the end result is WINNING.

Is it sad? Is it pathetic? That's not up to me to decide.

What it should do is open some eyes about the state of cycling, even in the amateur ranks, of which I've been speaking about for years.

In cycling, there does not exist a window of opportunity where one can unlock the athletic prowess of youth past the age of forty. I don't care if it's training, nutrition, altitude tents, or the disposable income necessary to buy the best equipment out there. There is no turning back the hands of time for an aging athlete without PED's.

Sure, one can attain better health, weight loss, etc. by exercising more. But making the types of leaps and bounds necessary to jump entire categories in a short amount of time is ridiculous. But this is what people like Anthony get high off of, and he's not the only one.

Once you hit a certain age, it's impossible to make the type of leaps in athletic ability I see guys make every year out on the road. And it's always the same type of guys-the aging yuppies. It's gotten to the point where one can almost guess when said rider got on a program-that's how obvious it is. But if one were to talk to said rider about the noticeable improvements, you'll get the same responses about training harder, lazer-like focus on goals set and met, nutrition, HRM, power meter, coach, etc.

Cycling is the only sport where such nonsensical, physiologically impossible feats are given serious merit.

And guess what...there are very successful, driven people who have good family lives who also take the PED route. It's not just for those deemed mentally unstable, unhappy and unfulfilled.

I always wondered why some of my much more affluent classmates in prep school were so relentless about getting high. I would think, "man, if I were that guy or that other guy and wanted to get high, I'd just stare at my bank account".

But that's how human beings are. Enough is never and will never be enough for some people."

 

[Arnout]

Good point Biokemguy.

I thought this article was actually relatively weel written and interesting. I also think it delves into the obsessive/addictive personality factors that can fuel doping. I thought some of the insights were pretty darn honest.

It's interesting, because at times I have wondered "how far would I go". I decided on the path I am on a long time ago and super, super glad I did. I could easily have gotten into HGH and EPO. And I would say I am not that much more talented than this fella. I got into Cat 2 without anything, but really, I coulda gone in a different direction.

Yes, very interesting article. Makes you wonder.

I'm cycling myself as well, not competitively, not even in a club or in local races or anything, but mainly with a few mates. One of them is much stronger than me (he could easily step up if he wants to, he destroys club racers with literally no training at all, but he doesn't feel like it), and even in my mind, I wondered how much doping would help to kill the pain when going uphill in his wheel (or losing his wheel, rather ). Now, for a start I don't have the finances to test this, and I absolutely don't want to do this, but that thought is scary. Imagine if you're making your living out of cycling... that thought will recur for sure.

 

[Franklin]

Imagine if you're making your living out of cycling... that thought will recur for sure.

The Goldman dilemma

It's what everyone who is adamant about the character of sportsmen and women should read.

 

[wannab]

It's interesting, because at times I have wondered "how far would I go". I decided on the path I am on a long time ago and super, super glad I did. I could easily have gotten into HGH and EPO. And I would say I am not that much more talented than this fella. I got into Cat 2 without anything, but really, I coulda gone in a different direction.

I think you are

He basically went full obsession (program included) for cat 2, what's like +-4.5w/kg according to charts.

I'm above that, with just normal training and clean of course. It absolutely amazes me people go through that just to be cat 2. Why and what for? You have no chance to making it big if your that doped up @ cat 2.

Sometimes I wonder, what if I do everything right? what if I dope?

In the end I just face my limited talent and enjoy it for what it is. Something tells me a lot of other people should do too.

 

[Arnout]

I think you are

He basically went full obsession (program included) for cat 2, what's like +-4.5w/kg according to charts.

I'm above that, with just normal training and clean of course. It absolutely amazes me people go through that just to be cat 2. Why and what for? You have no chance to making it big if your that doped up @ cat 2.

Sometimes I wonder, what if I do everything right? what if I dope?

In the end I just face my limited talent and enjoy it for what it is. Something tells me a lot of other people should do too.

Well, why do people cheat in school (I never did this btw )?

Not to be the best, but to succeed and to have a free lunch.

 

[wannab]

Well, why do people cheat in school (I never did this btw )?

Not to be the best, but to succeed and to have a free lunch.

Being cat 2 full jacked is failing imo, you'll have no chance to make it to the big boys so why cheat to begin with ........

If anything I understand pro's doping but not these guys


*edit: to make it extra clear, I think they are delusional in their obsession of "succeeding"