How efficient is blood doping, seriously

[Kender]

it increases oxygen delivery to the muscles

you still need to put in the training, but it's easier and you can train harder and longer. and yes, recovery is quicker

 

[Ripper]

Hi all, Race Radio has it right, this is pooplift/rise of the poop. I noted the Dead Dorkness the other day in the Giro del Trentino threat. Watch out, or we'll all be honk honk honking But don't worry, he'll be banned soon

 

[53 x 11]

It is probably time to roll this out again.

Oh noes....my gwaff, my favoit graff.......He done taken it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Oh noes....my gwaff, my favoit graff.......He done taken it.

I was trying to remember who I sto..........borrowed that from. It is the best graph ever, I'm only borrowing it, feel free to apply it where ever and when ever it seems appropriate.

 

[David Suro]

Thank you all for the enjoyable posts.

To Huge Anus (c'mon, man...) I thank you for the chart. Freakin' hilarious.

To Green Tea: You are either a comical genius or a raving idiot. Either way there is a lot of entertainment value in your posts.

This is one of those nights where I am really happy to have taken the time to read and laugh. Sit-coms have nothing on this

 

[wattage]

Vo2max limits your threshold power. When you boost your vo2max you have more room to improve your threshold power. Simple.

 

[DarkWing]

I said.

There were guys with higher VO2's in the both peletons than Cancellara.

EPO/Doping in general enhances VO2.

Cancellara beats higher VO2's.

Now what???...

Cancellara could very well have the highest VO2MAX in the peloton. In flat races like Paris Roubaix and Flanders (relatively flat) absolute VO2MAX rules.
Here I'm talking about L/Min - there's no doubt guys in the peloton with higher relative VO2MAX (ml/min/kg) than Fabian but that doesn't really matter in flat races. another way of expressing it is that W/KG is not very important in flat races, what's important is the absolute wattage you can produce at threshold. Cancellara, Boonen and Hushovd are some of the largest/tallest guys in the peloton, and therefore there absolute VO2MAX is among the very highest, since this is largely determined by body size.

That doesn't mean that a good anaerobic work capacity isn't usefull for these races, of course it's nice to be able to power over those hills in flanders, and do a strong attack on the flats, but it's far from the most important factor.

 

[Le breton]

31 answers, hundreds of readers but...

Cancellara could very well have the highest VO2MAX in the peloton. In flat races like Paris Roubaix and Flanders (relatively flat) absolute VO2MAX rules.
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Thanks for your reply but what I am looking for is references to lab work on the efficiency of EPO and blood boosters in general on athletic performance.
So far only Escarabajo has provided something useful in that respect.

 

[DarkWing]

Cancellara could very well have the highest VO2MAX in the peloton. In flat races like Paris Roubaix and Flanders (relatively flat) absolute VO2MAX rules.
...........QUOTE]
Thanks for your reply but what I am looking for is references to lab work on the efficiency of EPO and blood boosters in general on athletic performance.
So far only Escarabajo has provided something useful in that respect.

The problem with such studies is that they are almost always performed on untrained individuals, or low level amateurs.
If you look at JAPP (journal of applied physiology) you will find a couple of studies on the effect of EPO, but for obvious reasons none were performed on elite-worldclass riders.

 

[Animal]

Mods!

Prepare the padded cell!

 

[timmers]

Interesting thoughts. I am not sure that VO2 max is the answer as there are always other factors.

My question is are you reallly suprised at the results of Flanders and Paris Roubaix. I think the people who won and placed have exhibited the characteristics that you would expect.

My question is why has nobody questioned O'Grady's result and some of the others from a couple of years ago!

 

[Berzin]

Thanks for your reply but what I am looking for is references to lab work on the efficiency of EPO and blood boosters in general on athletic performance.
So far only Escarabajo has provided something useful in that respect.

No studies exist. No studies will EVER exist. The scientific community will never be allowed to perform this type of study, unless there is an ethical seismic shift on the issue when it comes to administering PED's to elite level athletes for the purposes of research.

The only doctor that I know who took government funds for studies into EPO was Dr. Conconi in Italy, but it was under the guise of coming up with a test for EPO which he did not do. Actually, what that money funded was access to the drug for his professional clients, and he even used the product himself.

So the reason why no one has provided something "useful" as you so sarcastically put it, is because no such studies on elite professional athletes exist.

 

[Le breton]

No benzine for berzin

No studies exist. No studies will EVER exist..............
So the reason why no one has provided something "useful" as you so sarcastically put it, is because no such studies on elite professional athletes exist.

If I appeared to be sarcastic it was inadvertently.
Professional are also human being, their physiology is no different from that of cyclingnews readers.

Of course, studies of blood doping do exist in the scientific litterature, I found a few, like the one I mentioned in my original post, I'm just looking for more of them. Conclusions drawn from studies made on trained cyclists of average ability are still valid for pro cyclists.