How many more GT's will Contador win?

[Jason_Mercier]

Funny are your comments when you say he will win five GT'S more. People ignore whats coming. The best generation of climbers and GT riders of the decade.

 

[airstream]

to be honest, almost all my posts are written seriously and some of you are trolls in my eyes as well. though i don't blame any of you. you are fans and fans often tend to handle any detail in their guy's favour. nonetheless, froome's underestimation is too dangerous game, though.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

to be honest, almost all my posts are written seriously and some of you are trolls in my eyes as well. though i don't blame any of you. you are fans and fans often tend to handle any detail in their guy's favour.

Only fans? Sometimes i think Fran Contador post here with a multinick

 

[luckyboy]

That makes it 10-11 GTs

'5 Tours, 2 Giros, 3-4 Vueltas' is what I think the total will be at the end of his career, not how many he has yet to win

 

[airstream]

Only fans? Sometimes i think Fran Contador post here with a multinick

many neutral fans cheer simply for attacking style. people like domination and always like to joy more often and hence to support very successfull rider in order to extract these emotions. So one should understand.

 

[RedFury]

Based on his past racing against them he didn't think they were real threats IMO...but his own weakness, Puritos growth as a GT rider and Valverde's maintaining his form for 3 weeks were things he didn't expect. All IMO of course.

With all due respect, I think the answer is not that complicated: under (his) current circumstances, he did the best he could. Fortunately -- for him and his fans, myself included -- it was enough for the win. Fuente de shall not be easily forgotten.

That said, I doubt you'll find him racing again against these two on the same kind of parcours, nor will he be coming back from such a long layoff. Now, not taking any credit away from Purito nor Valverde -- they were both exceptional and a huge reason why we had one of the best GTs in years -- but reverse those two factors as you normally would, and Alberto would prove time and again that he is the better of the three. Heck, he just did...in "their" Vuelta.

Only time will tell if we've already seen the best of Contador...or if his peak is yet to come. Bet that's a scary thought for some of his "haters"...never mind his cycling foes.

 

[Miburo]

to be honest, almost all my posts are written seriously and some of you are trolls in my eyes as well. though i don't blame any of you. you are fans and fans often tend to handle any detail in their guy's favour. nonetheless, froome's underestimation is too dangerous game, though.

And yet again you cracked me up, just amazing man

 

[Jason_Mercier]

If people thinks the opponents of Contador will be like Evans, Leipheimer, Purito or Scarponi they are absolutely wrong. Guys like Van Garderen, Pinot, Quintana, Dombrowski or Talansky are enough arguments to think in a complicated future for Alberto. With 22 or 23 years are better than this leaders, doing amazing things, incredible performances. Strongs time triallists, superclimbers... .Thibaut Pinot, one of the younger guys of the history who gets the victory in the TDF. Nairo Quintana, stronger than Valverde in some mountain stages with only 22 years. Dombrowski, the way he won the Giro Bio this year and his results in his first season as pro demonstrate we are before a supertalent. Tejay maybe will be the best Gt rider time triallist of the peloton, also is improving in the high mountain. Talansky the same. The colombians, agressive style riders, Fabio Aru, the best italian climber talent since Simoni. Kelderman, his ITT in Dauphiné was insane, also he finished in a high top in the GC. Hes only 20 years. And more for come.

 

[jsem94]

Probably 5 or so.

 

[Carols]

With all due respect, I think the answer is not that complicated: under (his) current circumstances, he did the best he could. Fortunately -- for him and his fans, myself included -- it was enough for the win. Fuente de shall not be easily forgotten.

That said, I doubt you'll find him racing again against these two on the same kind of parcours, nor will he be coming back from such a long layoff. Now, not taking any credit away from Purito nor Valverde -- they were both exceptional and a huge reason why we had one of the best GTs in years -- but reverse those two factors as you normally would, and Alberto would prove time and again that he is the better of the three. Heck, he just did...in "their" Vuelta.

Only time will tell if we've already seen the best of Contador...or if his peak is yet to come. Bet that's a scary thought for some of his "haters"...never mind his cycling foes.

Well personally I think he will come Storming back...I selected 5 more GTs. This one was tough and we got Fuentes De; showing the man's Talent, Class, Heart, Iron Will and race savvy. That ride will live on long after I'm gone...

When you can beat them when you aren't at your best (Giro 2008, Vuelta 2012) on their parcours it speaks Volumes.

But I do think he dismissed Purito and was only focused on Froome until Froome was fading; then the 3 high mountain stages showed him his true rivals. And he handled them with a Courageous, Daring, resourceful solution!

He will only get better from this victory Beware peloton, Beware...the 2011 Giro Alberto is still in there!

 

[Carols]

If people thinks the opponents of Contador will be like Evans, Leipheimer, Purito or Scarponi they are absolutely wrong. Guys like Van Garderen, Pinot, Quintana, Dombrowski or Talansky are enough arguments to think in a complicated future for Alberto. With 22 or 23 years are better than this leaders, doing amazing things, incredible performances. Strongs time triallists, superclimbers... .Thibaut Pinot, one of the younger guys of the history who gets the victory in the TDF. Nairo Quintana, stronger than Valverde in some mountain stages with only 22 years. Dombrowski, the way he won the Giro Bio this year and his results in his first season as pro demonstrate we are before a supertalent. Tejay maybe will be the best Gt rider time triallist of the peloton, also is improving in the high mountain. Talansky the same. The colombians, agressive style riders, Fabio Aru, the best italian climber talent since Simoni. Kelderman, his ITT in Dauphiné was insane, also he finished in a high top in the GC. Hes only 20 years. And more for come.

Yes the youngsters are Coming no doubt....but I think he's got at least 3-4 years before he fades and they peak. We shall see.

 

[ILovecycling]

If people thinks the opponents of Contador will be like Evans, Leipheimer, Purito or Scarponi they are absolutely wrong. Guys like Van Garderen, Pinot, Quintana, Dombrowski or Talansky are enough arguments to think in a complicated future for Alberto. With 22 or 23 years are better than this leaders, doing amazing things, incredible performances. Strongs time triallists, superclimbers... .Thibaut Pinot, one of the younger guys of the history who gets the victory in the TDF. Nairo Quintana, stronger than Valverde in some mountain stages with only 22 years. Dombrowski, the way he won the Giro Bio this year and his results in his first season as pro demonstrate we are before a supertalent. Tejay maybe will be the best Gt rider time triallist of the peloton, also is improving in the high mountain. Talansky the same. The colombians, agressive style riders, Fabio Aru, the best italian climber talent since Simoni. Kelderman, his ITT in Dauphiné was insane, also he finished in a high top in the GC. Hes only 20 years. And more for come.

Only thread in Alberto carrer MIGHT be Quintana but I doubt,other guys will suck big time with comparsion with Contador

 

[LaFlorecita]

Only thread in Alberto carrer MIGHT be Quintana but I doubt,other guys will suck big time with comparsion with Contador

But Quintana is still very young, Alberto has MANY years left before Quintana gets on his level.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

Yes the youngsters are Coming no doubt....but I think he's got at least 3-4 years before he fades and they peak. We shall see.

I think in two years one or two of Pinot, Quintana and Dombrowski will be at his level in the mountain. So a non shape Contador like this Vuelta or Giro 2008 probably wont be enough to get the victorie in a 1 Itt Gt as he has done in this year. Also in routes of more than 100 kms of ITT Van Garderen, Talasnsky and Kelderman if they continue improving will be very hard opponents. I think he has for much two years more of succes. Remenber the Contador performances in 2007 until the TDF, were very similar of the Pinot, Quintana and Van Garderen performances in this year.

 

[airstream]

the main trap is so-called contador's level is not something absolute and unshakeable. froome, wiggins [now matter how much you ignore it] and schleck are already on this level. one may get stronger, others may get weaker. all that сan cause quite deep resonance. it's very unpredictable.

 

[LaFlorecita]

the main trap is so-called contador's level is not something absolute and unshakeable. froome, wiggins [now matter how much you ignore it] and schleck are already on this level. one may get stronger, others may get weaker. all that сan cause quite deep resonance. it's very unpredictable.

There we go again

 

[Carols]

Sigh I finally put him on ignore and people keep quoting him LOL!!!

 

[airstream]

There we go again

i have no goal to affect on your opinion, but am always glad to discuss with someone who handles happening measuredly.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

Only thread in Alberto carrer MIGHT be Quintana but I doubt,other guys will suck big time with comparsion with Contador

If you say that you dont know who are and what are doing Pinot and Dombrowski.

 

[RedFury]

Well personally I think he will come Storming back...I selected 5 more GTs. This one was tough and we got Fuentes De; showing the man's Talent, Class, Heart, Iron Will and race savvy. That ride will live on long after I'm gone...

When you can beat them when you aren't at your best (Giro 2008, Vuelta 2012) on their parcours it speaks Volumes.

Yes indeed -- exactly my point.

But I do think he dismissed Purito and was only focused on Froome until Froome was fading; then the 3 high mountain stages showed him his true rivals. And he handled them with a Courageous, Daring, resourceful solution!

Fair enough, seeing as all we can do is speculate. In that vein, I simply think that not having raced Froome & knowing he rode TdF with a bridle on, he was right to be cautious at first. OTOH, you're right, Asturias showed him who his "real" rivals were.

He will only get better from this victory Beware peloton, Beware...the 2011 Giro Alberto is still in there!

Agreed -- not sure for how long, no one can be, but if his career sticks to conventional wisdom, the kid's still to fully peak.

:::shudder:::

 

[The Hitch]

I ain't taking anything for granted. Right now all i care about is that he wins the 2013 tour. If he manages that anything else is a bonus.

 

[Froome19]

the main trap is so-called contador's level is not something absolute and unshakeable. froome, wiggins [now matter how much you ignore it] and schleck are already on this level. one may get stronger, others may get weaker. all that сan cause quite deep resonance. it's very unpredictable.

Spot on and that was why I would not put Contador odds on for the Tour next year.

The fact is that Schleck is close to his climbing level if not on it. Contador has always had the edge because of his TT, but that is not assured at all. Froome is also very close to his climbing level and may even be equal to or above Contador, we dont really know and will only find out at next year's Tour for sure. Wiggins as well is looking good and though Contador is probably stronger he is not someone to be under estimanted, because he climbed as good as anyone bar Froome in the Tour and can put 1 min into Contador per TT easily. Then there are the up and coming riders to consider such as Quintana, Pinot, TJVG, Dombro if anyone of them, and others indeed as well such as Rolland, become really really good then Contador will also have a hard time winning.

Then there is the fact that we have yet to see Contador at his Giro 2011 form, maybe he will never reach that pinacle? Maybe he will decline early?

There are a lot of variables here and though some are more likely than others, the defining fact is that they all contribute to make it extremely difficult for Contador to win all these ridiculous bags of GTs everyone seems to be talking about. If just one of the above comes into reality then Contador's bid for or so more Gts will be scuppered. So it is a possibility he can win them because he is a true GT winner and an amazingly talented rider, but it is extremely unlikely considering the circumstances.

 

[Telmisartan new]

Spot on and that was why I would not put Contador odds on for the Tour next year.

The fact is that Schleck is close to his climbing level if not on it. Contador has always had the edge because of his TT, but that is not assured at all. Froome is also very close to his climbing level and may even be equal to or above Contador, we dont really know and will only find out at next year's Tour for sure. Wiggins as well is looking good and though Contador is probably stronger he is not someone to be under estimanted, because he climbed as good as anyone bar Froome in the Tour and can put 1 min into Contador per TT easily. Then there are the up and coming riders to consider such as Quintana, Pinot, TJVG, Dombro if anyone of them, and others indeed as well such as Rolland, become really really good then Contador will also have a hard time winning.

Then there is the fact that we have yet to see Contador at his Giro 2011 form, maybe he will never reach that pinacle? Maybe he will decline early.

He's not odds on, he's 11-8 (unless you meant figuratively) All the guys you mention with the exception of Froome would be rank outsiders in my view (as well as in the bookmakers view) Most firms had him 2-1 until a few days ago but got stampeded by punters trying to get their cash on and had to slash his odds or risk a heavy potential liability.I think he's a worthy favourite and barring injury can't see anyone else winning even Froome.I can't honestly see any evidence for him declining early, i think he'll only improve after this GT.Put it this way, i wouldnt be rushing to stick your cash on anyone else unless your a Froome man and can't resist.

 

[Carols]

If you say that you dont know who are and what are doing Pinot and Dombrowski.

I know they aren't ITTing

 

[Miburo]

I ain't taking anything for granted. Right now all i care about is that he wins the 2013 tour. If he manages that anything else is a bonus.

Don't lie, you want wiggins to participate and see how Contador drops him like a stone.

And then the day after, drink thee while reading the british newspaper and watching it again and again and again

Then realising today there's another mountain stage