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How to make these long boring flat stages less boring?

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Fergoose said:
Ban race radio so that riders and teams don't know exactly what the gap is, who is in the breakaway and how strong it is looking at every single moment of the stage. In fairness the UCI have tried to introduce this but the self serving teams and their egotistical Director Sportifs have blocked it at every turn. So stages like this will be painfully predictable and tedious in the first week until the end of time. A couple of the stages this week have been the worst I've ever fast forwarded through.

I'm all for race radios being banned but would it really make a difference to flat stages? Where flat stages that much more exciting pre race radios? Also the teams will still be getting information from the team cars as they are sitting there glued to the TV coverage whilst driving along. I just don't see how banning race radios makes any difference to a flat stage on the majority of occasions
 
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StryderHells said:
Fergoose said:
Ban race radio so that riders and teams don't know exactly what the gap is, who is in the breakaway and how strong it is looking at every single moment of the stage. In fairness the UCI have tried to introduce this but the self serving teams and their egotistical Director Sportifs have blocked it at every turn. So stages like this will be painfully predictable and tedious in the first week until the end of time. A couple of the stages this week have been the worst I've ever fast forwarded through.

I'm all for race radios being banned but would it really make a difference to flat stages? Where flat stages that much more exciting pre race radios? Also the teams will still be getting information from the team cars as they are sitting there glued to the TV coverage whilst driving along. I just don't see how banning race radios makes any difference to a flat stage on the majority of occasions
That would mean constant comings and goings to the team car, so this would mean the time it takes to get from the DS to the riders would be longer as it is no longer straight from the DS to the riders.
 
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lemon cheese cake said:
StryderHells said:
Fergoose said:
Ban race radio so that riders and teams don't know exactly what the gap is, who is in the breakaway and how strong it is looking at every single moment of the stage. In fairness the UCI have tried to introduce this but the self serving teams and their egotistical Director Sportifs have blocked it at every turn. So stages like this will be painfully predictable and tedious in the first week until the end of time. A couple of the stages this week have been the worst I've ever fast forwarded through.

I'm all for race radios being banned but would it really make a difference to flat stages? Where flat stages that much more exciting pre race radios? Also the teams will still be getting information from the team cars as they are sitting there glued to the TV coverage whilst driving along. I just don't see how banning race radios makes any difference to a flat stage on the majority of occasions
That would mean constant comings and goings to the team car, so this would mean the time it takes to get from the DS to the riders would be longer as it is no longer straight from the DS to the riders.

It still wouldn't make much difference to how flat stages play out
 
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Warhawk said:
Could always release some lions on the road. That might liven things up.

Or mandatory portage sections where they have to carry their bikes. Might keep them from deliberately having stupidly spindly arms.

Solution: go to Doha, bring some lions, set them on UCI and Qatari rulers. You make the race a hell of a lot more interesting and offer a net benefit to humanity.
 
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Normally you can rely on French farmers or similar to have a protest and blockade the road on these sort of stages to liven them up. That usually does the trick. On a really good stage they'll set fire to one of the TV crew's cars. (or is that the Basques?)

Anyway, even more fun would be the riders to play a game of tag during the stage.

Perhaps they do- it's just an in joke so only the peloton know they're playing. It's been going of years but omertà means no one outside ever finds out. The ex pros who are commentating can see what's happening in the overhead shots but just pretend the riders are fighting for position even though they know they're really trying to avoid the rider from Lotto-Soudal that's "it".
 
How about cutting in with action from other races like the very exciting Giro Rosa that is being battled out, Tour of Austria, Pologne, Rundfarht, ect. I know it would be a logistical and timing nightmare, but it would be great for fans and cycling in general.
 
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SeriousSam said:
So how do we make these mountainous Tour stages less boring?

easy - make contenders prove they are not aliens

skyborgs are clearly delaying the real mountain fight so that vroom won't wear too much before the scary final week... all pyrenees and ventoux + colombier can be neutralised easily (playing a RedCross card - thou shall not attack wounded enemy)
 
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lemon cheese cake said:
StryderHells said:
Fergoose said:
Ban race radio so that riders and teams don't know exactly what the gap is, who is in the breakaway and how strong it is looking at every single moment of the stage. In fairness the UCI have tried to introduce this but the self serving teams and their egotistical Director Sportifs have blocked it at every turn. So stages like this will be painfully predictable and tedious in the first week until the end of time. A couple of the stages this week have been the worst I've ever fast forwarded through.

I'm all for race radios being banned but would it really make a difference to flat stages? Where flat stages that much more exciting pre race radios? Also the teams will still be getting information from the team cars as they are sitting there glued to the TV coverage whilst driving along. I just don't see how banning race radios makes any difference to a flat stage on the majority of occasions
That would mean constant comings and goings to the team car, so this would mean the time it takes to get from the DS to the riders would be longer as it is no longer straight from the DS to the riders.

For me there are three ways the removal of team race radio would reduce the likelihood of the 24 carat tedium we had for large parts of this first week.

Firstly, it'd make it far harder for teams to control the composition of breakaways. Today, David Millar said he thinks it takes around 5 minutes for a team to currently respond to a breakaway. He'll know better than me but I think that is a massive overestimate. He is right in saying however, that the time during which teams are making up there mind about whether to respond to an attack is the time when breakaways make their biggest gains.

It stands to reason that if you ban team race radio, the alternative methods of formulating team tactics are far, far more time consuming and would likely put the burden of responsibility on a team leader to make the call. I think hopping back and forth between the team car and the front of a 190+ strong peleton is far more difficult and time consuming than you might consider. By the time the team realise that a strong rider has made the breakaway, or that one team has two or three riders in the breakaway (and therefore might work very well together), the breakaway stands a much greater chance of becoming established (compared to what is currently the case).

Secondly, a ban on team race radios would make the chase more difficult and less predictable. The farce of having a break held at 1 minute for tens of kilometres on end would not be anywhere near as straightforward for the teams. Motorbike fed time gaps would be less accurate and less up to the minute. Riders would not know how hard the breakaway was trying, if it was splintering, if they were working well together etc, all variables that influence a chase.

Thirdly, removing team race radios would make it more difficult for a dominant sprinter train to control the last few kms. This isn't as prominent this year as there isn't one dominant train, but in years past its been very easy to High Road etc to control the front of the race. Team radio helps with this by feeding the team constant information on what bends are up ahead, how to ride to block rival trains and riders and when each member of the train should make their maximum effort.

To me, the only "excitement" that team radio provides is by contributing to crashes by telling teams to pile up to the front, having riders concentration diverted during high speed run ins (much like a mobile phone in a car) and reducing rider agility by having them remove one hand off the handlebar in order to talk back to the team car. I don't think that's the sort of excitement we are looking for on flat stages.
 
You gotta stop making pan-flat sprinter stages. Make them a little more tricky, throw in a couple of hills and make teams work for it. Right now they are not. The break will be stronger and bigger and punchier riders will fancy their opportunities in the finale as well while the pure sprinters sprinters will wonder if they can survive. Thats 3 possible outcomes (morning break, late attacker and sprint) to just one which the pan-flat stage ensures.

Slotting a few of the sprinter stages into a part of France where there realistically can be crosswinds will surely also help quite a bit.

I don't buy into the arguments that they should be shorter; then you will just have to make more short sprint stages in order to reach the mountains or make longer transitions between stages. Both a no-no.
 
Only watch the last five km in a language that you don't understand well, but the commentators are enthusiastic and similarities with any language you do speak well can provide amusement. For example, I like Spanish commentators and the way they scream "kurrrwa" when they go round a corner gives me some cheap amusement (apologies to speakers of Slavic languages).
 
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klintE said:
After i read last post I assume the main idea for full live tv coverage is to entertain ninjas (no income, no job) stream watchers. Meh
I think it's that, but also the guys who shout "PLAY THE HITS!!! FREE BIRD!!!" at a concert.

I ff'ed through the whole stage on my lunch break just now, but I have to say the crowd at the first kom was impressive, the whole town lined out all the way up the hill. I think the least the 3 guys in the break could have done is put on a little bit of a show of sprinting for the point. Then they actually did contest the points sprint, in front of 2 men and a dog. That's the sort of thing where the riders need to take ownership. 1,000 French villagers didn't come to see you ride TTT practice up the big hill in their town, they want some effort out of you, at least get out of the saddle for a 5 second burst.