I just have to ask ? Marianne Vos

[DirtyWorks]

Rabobank whatever is old school.

Lotto Belisol Belgium Tour (2.2) GC after 3 stages:

1(1) VAN VLEUTEN Annemiek Rabobank-Liv Woman Cycling Team 6:10:49
2(3) DE JONG Thalita Rabobank-Liv Woman Cycling Team 0:39
3(2) VAN DER BREGGEN Anna Rabobank-Liv Woman Cycling Team 0:43
4(4) VOS Marianne Rabobank-Liv Woman Cycling Team 0:51
5(5) STEPHENS Lauren Team TIBCO - To The Top 1:31
6(6) PIETERS Giant-Shimano 1:48
7(9) KIESANOWSKI Joanne Team TIBCO - To The Top 1:51

Gewiss style and its not the first time this season.

Do they train harder and smarter or are the competition just useless?

1: It's a 2.2 race. The best funded International squad shows up and wipes the floor. That is pretty standard regardless of gender.

2: Put aside the question of Vos doping, there's not much depth, or money to fund depth, to international Women's racing.

I'm not saying there isn't doping in the Women's peloton. But, one 2.2 race is not a barometer of anything. We see the same thing on the men's side at lower-ranked events.

 

[Freddythefrog]

1: It's a 2.2 race. The best funded International squad shows up and wipes the floor. ....

.... But, one 2.2 race is not a barometer of anything. We see the same thing on the men's side at lower-ranked events.

Giro 1, 2, 3,
Last round of the World Cup at Plouay 1, 2, 3

Recalibrate.

That riding on the final stage of the Giro was not good to watch. But if winning is the game and you will do what it takes, that is the way to do it.

 

[hfer07]

This seals it, I guess


link

She a Pistolero fangirl?

 

[Gavandope]

Like someone else stated, the cameras left them for about a minute - so makes you wonder what else went on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?sns=tw&v=PRskFaxzZiY

its at 38.30 mins

and then at 41 mins....42.30 and 43.30mins

Stunned to see this happen - I was getting boxed in like that in any kind of racing like that they would be getting a jab in the back of their head never mind just getting disqualified for it. And they got away with it??

 

[Archibald]

2: Put aside the question of Vos doping, there's not much depth, or money to fund depth, to international Women's racing.

I think this is the key - just how many riders can do a $50k a year ferrari type programme?

 

[D-Queued]

I think this is the key - just how many riders can do a $50k a year ferrari type programme?

Is that the web support version?

Dave.

 

[Archibald]

Is that the web support version?

Dave.

Carmichael Special

 

[DirtyWorks]

I think this is the key - just how many riders can do a $50k a year ferrari type programme?

That kind of price is long past. The doping protocols are very well documented, so not much discovery. Definitely some trial and error to get some working combination for each person. But the everything is explained in a very detailed manner in bodybuilding forums.

Maybe $10,000 a year all-in to do it well. You'll know within a few weeks of finding a good combination, so better cycling results make it worthwhile pretty quickly.

 

[Archibald]

how many women racers have a spare $10k for that? wouldn't be many if the compaining about wages is correct

 

[Dazed and Confused]

how many women racers have a spare $10k for that? wouldn't be many if the compaining about wages is correct

Well, it would be the ones on the best funded team I guess.
Full circle, Rabobank whatever.

 

[sniper]

how many women racers have a spare $10k for that? wouldn't be many if the compaining about wages is correct

how good is the testing in women's cycling?
for all we know it's close to non-existent, or only urine.
with no or less need to mask, a good functioning program would be much cheaper.

 

[Arnout]

This seals it, I guess


link

Irrefutable proof indeed. Worse than her posting a photo with a needle ready to inject.

Well, it would be the ones on the best funded team I guess.
Full circle, Rabobank whatever.

Vos made about €100,000 a year a few years back (and I suspect that number has grown a bit due to more exposure), so she will have the funds.

Let's be clear, I'm quite certain she doped or has doped at some point, but posting a selfie with Contador isn't proof for that.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

snipped...

Let's be clear, I'm quite certain she doped or has doped at some point, but posting a selfie with Contador isn't proof for that.

Agree about the selfie "incrimination".

 

[fmk_RoI]

Irrefutable proof indeed. Worse than her posting a photo with a needle ready to inject.

Precisely. I think the WADA rules need to change and we should be able to accept stuff like this as a confession meriting a lifetime ban.

 

[neineinei]

how good is the testing in women's cycling?
for all we know it's close to non-existent, or only urine.
with no or less need to mask, a good functioning program would be much cheaper.

Vos and the other top women riders are in the bio passport program.

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/55/34/FinalRTP2014perCountry_Neutral.pdf

Vos has complained about the testing, it was discussed some pages back in this thread. She said the testing was too predictable, not enough out of competition testing.

 

[sniper]

Vos and the other top women riders are in the bio passport program.

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/55/34/FinalRTP2014perCountry_Neutral.pdf

Vos has complained about the testing, it was discussed some pages back in this thread. She said the testing was too predictable, not enough out of competition testing.

cheers, thanks!

 

[Benotti69]

Irrefutable proof indeed. Worse than her posting a photo with a needle ready to inject.

Vos made about €100,000 a year a few years back (and I suspect that number has grown a bit due to more exposure), so she will have the funds.

When the olympics were amatuers only no one doped!

Let's be clear, I'm quite certain she doped or has doped at some point, but posting a selfie with Contador isn't proof for that.

No it aint, but she likes to have a photo with a doper. not exactly promoting clean cycling.

 

[Arnout]

When the olympics were amatuers only no one doped!

Wtf are you trying to say with this?

No it aint, but she likes to have a photo with a doper. not exactly promoting clean cycling.

What about everyone who would make a selfie with Bush jr when given the chance, are they idiots by definition?

 

[Benotti69]

Wtf are you trying to say with this?

Money has **** all to do with whether athletes dope.

What about everyone who would make a selfie with Bush jr when given the chance, are they idiots by definition?

100%.

 

[Archibald]

Well, it would be the ones on the best funded team I guess.
Full circle, Rabobank whatever.

IF it's team funded, but yes that'd probably make it more accessible. Could also be just for the top few too - similar to USPS multi-level "support"

how good is the testing in women's cycling?
for all we know it's close to non-existent, or only urine.
with no or less need to mask, a good functioning program would be much cheaper.

Vos and the other top women riders are in the bio passport program.

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/55/34/FinalRTP2014perCountry_Neutral.pdf

Vos has complained about the testing, it was discussed some pages back in this thread. She said the testing was too predictable, not enough out of competition testing.

so the testing's not that great, despite passport program, and easily circumvented...

 

[DirtyWorks]

IF it's team funded, but yes that'd probably make it more accessible. Could also be just for the top few too - similar to USPS multi-level "support"

so the testing's not that great, despite passport program, and easily circumvented...

Another caveat here is the lack of budget at the team level for much of the elite road peloton. Many are paying out of pocket just to attend these events as "a team."

Again, I don't know one way or the other about doping in the elite Women's peloton. Just that there's almost no money to do it at the team level. The individual level would likely be very low-budget compared to their male counterparts.

 

[Benotti69]

Another caveat here is the lack of budget at the team level for much of the elite road peloton. Many are paying out of pocket just to attend these events as "a team."

Again, I don't know one way or the other about doping in the elite Women's peloton. Just that there's almost no money to do it at the team level. The individual level would likely be very low-budget compared to their male counterparts.

Nicole Cooke(team apartment fridge full of PEDs), Tammy Thomas, Genevieve Jeanson, Jeannie Longo.......to name a few who have been down the PED road....

My hunch would be doping is easy at women's level, Longo got away with for what 30+ years, as the money is not there to test and UCI didn't consider it seriously and some would argue still doesn't.

Longo 'never failed a test'..........

 

[sniper]

Nicole Cooke(team apartment fridge full of PEDs), Tammy Thomas, Genevieve Jeanson, Jeannie Longo.......to name a few who have been down the PED road....

My hunch would be doping is easy at women's level, Longo got away with for what 30+ years, as the money is not there to test and UCI didn't consider it seriously and some would argue still doesn't.

Longo 'never failed a test'..........

put Leontien van Moorsel on that list.
the rivalry with Longo speaks for itself.
iirc Longo once speculated about Moorsel's PED-abuse in some interview, but I would have to look for that.
here is a very brief bit of footage where v. moorsel gets asked about doping in women's cycling.
instead of answering the question, she simply starts talking about something different.

edit: apparently Longo insinuated v. Moorsel's PED abuse in some television program, and then Verbruggen/UCI took action to force Longo to pull back those statements. I don't know the details. Here's some info on it in Dutch:
http://www.jaloers.com/forms/form_8.htm

 

[Benotti69]

put Leontien van Moorsel on that list.
the rivalry with Longo speaks for itself.
iirc Longo once speculated about Moorsel's PED-abuse in some interview, but I would have to look for that.
here is a very brief bit of footage where v. moorsel gets asked about doping in women's cycling.
instead of answering the question, she simply starts talking about something different.

edit: apparently Longo insinuated v. Moorsel's PED abuse in some television program, and then Verbruggen/UCI took action to force Longo to pull back those statements. I don't know the details. Here's some info on it in Dutch:
http://www.jaloers.com/forms/form_8.htm

Ta for that.

 

[Freddythefrog]

...... Longo got away with for what 30+ years, as the money is not there to test and UCI didn't consider it seriously and some would argue still doesn't.

Longo 'never failed a test'..........

Will we ever know ? Word in the peloton was that Longo had to take a couple of long term sessions out of competition after testing. The results were notified to the French Federation but way before Lance, an icon was too big to fail. A "solution" was agreed - you are not going to compete in anything big for XX months and we are not going public with your result. I have heard that from two different sources many years apart, but whether both came from a single gossip source I don't know. Longo being too big to fail in France, at the time in question - I can believe.

"Are you really going to go public - look the Tour is a travesty of a sporting contest, every one of the top 100 are consuming enough EPO to keep 3 hospitals going full time ?" And so the punishment given quietly behind closed doors.