"I think Dave's (Zabriskie) the best time trialist in the world..." = Tom Danielson

[Sir Crushness]

Yeah, the best. Whatta joke. Name 5 current riders within the next 5 seconds that have or would beat his a.s.s, anywhere, anytime, especially in the major Tours, and I bet ya'all win.

 

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[dlwssonic]

Trololololol.
I think he didn't mean it. Just said it to raise the morale and encourage zabriskie.

Cancellara
Martin
Millar
Wiggins
Durbridge
Phinney
Porte

 

[ExRower]

Tom is entitled to his opinion

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

He should bet his home on him, then.

 

[Froome19]

Yeah, the best. Whatta joke. Name 5 current riders within the next 5 seconds that have or would beat his a.s.s, anywhere, anytime, especially in the major Tours, and I bet ya'all win.

There are 3 riders who are clearly above the rest; Cancellara, Martin and Wiggins.
Then there are a couple of riders who are just behind and Zabriskie is included in that group

Anyway I find it hard that Tom meant it in the literal sense but I dont know what the context was so I cant be sure.

 

[orangerider]

What's with the hate ? Dave Z is pretty good at pancake flat time trials that are longer to leverage his super aerodynamic form. Anything more than a parking ramp in the road will slow him down though. And now that they've stopped trying to turn him into a climber, he's back to his strength.

 

[Galic Ho]

Trololololol.
I think he didn't mean it. Just said it to raise the morale and encourage zabriskie.

Cancellara
Martin
Millar
Wiggins
Durbridge
Phinney
Porte

Australian here, but lets be realistic.

Cancellara has the runs on the board. What is it 4 or 5 WC jerseys? Olympic gold, almost unbeatable when on form (AC beat him on a lopsided course and Schumacher doesn't really count). Naturally one of the all time greats. Fair enough.

Martin. Current WC. Damn good from a young early age. I'd agree.

Millar. Former WC, stripped of his results. But lots of strong efforts along the years. I'd say him and Big Z are about equal career wise.

Wiggins. Before 09, nope. Doesn't deserve to be on a list. Results weren't there. Now they're all he gets...podium is a guarantee. So fair enough. Should however be ahead of the Garmin boys, simply because he has more results recently.

Durbridge? Some nice results, but does he make a top list of the best ITT specialists racing? Give him a few years, he's only 21. See how he's going when he is 25.

Same deal with Phinney as with Durbridge. Too young. Give him some time. Martin is 27-28...lot older. Big results will come closer to 25.

Porte. Seriously? I mean, seriously? Dude, Contador and Evans make the list before he does. Menchov too. They actually make it before the Garmin guys do. Richie Porte does not deserve to be on this list. Any list. Rogers is better than he is. Rogers, was actually a triple world champion. Rogers was substantially better in the Dauphine. It's why he came second overall. Porte isn't even the 4th best ITT specialist at team Sky. I'd say he is 5th. Wiggins, Froome, Rogers and Geraint Thomas are all better than he is.

 

[Froome19]

Australian here, but lets be realistic.

Cancellara has the runs on the board. What is it 4 or 5 WC jerseys? Olympic gold, almost unbeatable when on form (AC beat him on a lopsided course and Schumacher doesn't really count). Naturally one of the all time greats. Fair enough.

Martin. Current WC. Damn good from a young early age. I'd agree.

Millar. Former WC, stripped of his results. But lots of strong efforts along the years. I'd say him and Big Z are about equal career wise.

Wiggins. Before 09, nope. Doesn't deserve to be on a list. Results weren't there. Now they're all he gets...podium is a guarantee. So fair enough. Should however be ahead of the Garmin boys, simply because he has more results recently.

Durbridge? Some nice results, but does he make a top list of the best ITT specialists racing? Give him a few years, he's only 21. See how he's going when he is 25.

Same deal with Phinney as with Durbridge. Too young. Give him some time. Martin is 27-28...lot older. Big results will come closer to 25.

Porte. Seriously? I mean, seriously? Dude, Contador and Evans make the list before he does. Menchov too. They actually make it before the Garmin guys do. Richie Porte does not deserve to be on this list. Any list. Rogers is better than he is. Rogers, was actually a triple world champion. Rogers was substantially better in the Dauphine. It's why he came second overall. Porte isn't even the 4th best ITT specialist at team Sky. I'd say he is 5th. Wiggins, Froome, Rogers and Geraint Thomas are all better than he is.

This is 2012

 

[Galic Ho]

This is 2012

Oh wow I would never have guessed! Still stands that Alberto Contador and Cadel Evans annihilate Richie Porte's results. Nice way to play the moron card. Seriously, get over yourself and hop off the nuts of team Sky for a second. Nobody said Froome or Wiggins were bad. Only that Richie, does not deserve to be on dwlssonic's list.

FFS, quit snifing glue and showing your emotional bias towards team Sky for a second. Is he even the third best Aussie time trialist right now? How about even the 5th best? Evans, Rogers, Durbridge, Bobdridge and arguably both Meyer brothers are better than him. Thanks again for your meaningful contribution.

Till Porte actually wins something big, or consistently beats these guys, you're talking crap. Hoping on the Sky dope train for one season amounts to squat. It's consistency, like the Garmin riders have. Hence Tommy D's statement...if it even is true.

 

[Froome19]

Oh wow I would never have guessed! Still stands that Alberto Contador and Cadel Evans annihilate Richie Porte's results. Nice way to play the moron card. Seriously, get over yourself and hop off the nuts of team Sky for a second. Nobody said Froome or Wiggins were bad. Only that Richie, does not deserve to be on dwlssonic's list.

FFS, quit snifing glue and showing your emotional bias towards team Sky for a second. Is he even the third best Aussie time trialist right now? How about even the 5th best? Evans, Rogers, Durbridge, Bobdridge and arguably both Meyer brothers are better than him. Thanks again for your meaningful contribution.

Till Porte actually wins something big, or consistently beats these guys, you're talking crap. Hoping on the Sky dope train for one season amounts to squat. It's consistency, like the Garmin riders have. Hence Tommy D's statement...if it even is true.

I wasnt reffering to Porte..

Admittedly he has the potential to be a very good ITT but as of yet he cant be considered one.
There is no way you can say the Meyers or Bobridge are better than him, though.

 

[DominicDecoco]

 

[Mellow Velo]

This is 2012

Don't worry Galic Ho being his usual "don't you dare have a different opinion to me", self.

Of course, it is 2012 and "I think Dave's (Zabriskie) the best time trialist in the world", is written in the present tense.
However, GH is an Aussie, which explains all things negative towards Wiggins.
Any rational poster, not driven by the Evans-Tour effect knows he is currently better than Zabriske.

 

[greenedge]

Porte. Seriously? I mean, seriously? Dude, Contador and Evans make the list before he does. Menchov too. They actually make it before the Garmin guys do. Richie Porte does not deserve to be on this list. Any list. Rogers is better than he is. Rogers, was actually a triple world champion. Rogers was substantially better in the Dauphine. It's why he came second overall. Porte isn't even the 4th best ITT specialist at team Sky. I'd say he is 5th. Wiggins, Froome, Rogers and Geraint Thomas are all better than he is.

Don't forget EBH and Froome and then Knees, Stannard and Pate- who although not great are solid and do a lot of work on the front.

 

[greenedge]

FFS, quit snifing glue and showing your emotional bias towards team Sky for a second. Is he even the third best Aussie time trialist right now? How about even the 5th best? Evans, Rogers, Durbridge, Bobdridge and arguably both Meyer brothers are better than him. Thanks again for your meaningful contribution.

( at all the harshness ).

Travis Meyer is definitely not better than Porte. Hepburn might be better in the future along with Dennis.

Porte is good on the hilly courses but not on the flat ones.

@Froome19: You can say Bobridge is better as he is an individual pursuit record holder/ finished above him last year in the Copenhagen WC. He is also younger.

 

[Ferminal]

lol, where did he say this?

No wonder people make fun of the ToC, Zabriskie's only meaningful wins in recent years and it makes him best in the world. I guess the Gesink debate is settled then too, #1 stage racer - the Tour is a battle between him, Rogers and Leipheimer.

 

[dlwssonic]

I'm not aussie btw and I'm not a fan of porte.
But I included him because he has shown some very strong TT in the worlds.
Yes Cuddles and Contador are some of the best TT riders in the 3rd week but I'm not fully sure if they can beat zabriske when both are fresh.
Maybe they are slightly better.
Wiggins is obviously better than zabriskie now.
I believe durbridge and phinney are already better than zabriskie but thats my opinion.

 

[Eric8-A]

Zabriskie's my favorite rider. I don't think he's the best time trialist in the world. But I will say he's one of the best in that discipline. Even Cancellara has said it.

 

[theyoungest]

Zabriskie's my favorite rider. I don't think he's the best time trialist in the world. But I will say he's one of the best in that discipline. Even Cancellara has said it.

Zabriskie might be the best time trial specialist in the world. He's not as powerful as some of the guys he regularly beats in TTs, but he's very aero, and very determined.

I don't think Danielson actually said Zabriskie is the best TTist in the world though. Probably an overeager journalist misquoting him.

 

[dlwssonic]

He recently only beat TJVG by 6 seconds in the US nationals.
That doesn't say much.
If phinney was there he would have whooped his ***.

 

[Froome19]

Don't worry Galic Ho being his usual "don't you dare have a different opinion to me", self.

Of course, it is 2012 and "I think Dave's (Zabriskie) the best time trialist in the world", is written in the present tense.
However, GH is an Aussie, which explains all things negative towards Wiggins.
Any rational poster, not driven by the Evans-Tour effect knows he is currently better than Zabriske.

Lol I misread GH's original post and so I was responding to a statement which he in fact did not make so I have actually deleted it and apologise if it cause any unnecessary aggravation.

I agree with most of what Galic Ho said yet I think he is underating the potential of the younger TTs it can be hard to truly consider them as top TT as they have not had the results of the other riders on that list. Yet what they have shown imo is enough to place them with those riders yet I dont believe any of them are at Zabriskie's level just yet due to his experience and consistency, but they are certainly close and I personally believe that Australian trio coming of the track, Cameron Meyer and Durbridge will start to dominate TT in the next few years.

Concerning Wiggins, he has won every long TT he has competed in this season and imho he shouldnt be in this list but rather a list with Canc and Martin.

Don't forget Stannard, EBH, Froome and maybe even Knees/ Pate.

Pate and Knees are good TT but not much more, Stannard if he stopped being a constant domestique could develop into a talented TT but until then..
EBH constantly produces top10 results in TT but he will only become a truly good TT if he focuse on it more as the years go by.
Froome on the other hand is difficult to judge as the only time when he was really on form he produced a perfomance which was superior to what most of the above riders could ever hope to achieve, yet he hasnt shown much else.. Going on his Dauphine TT I believe we will see him putting in top3 perfomances in the 2 TT in the Tour

( at all the harshness ).

Travis Meyer is definitely not better than Porte. Hepburn might be better in the future along with Dennis.

Porte is good on the hilly courses but not on the flat ones.

@Froome19: You can say Bobridge is better as he is an individual pursuit record holder/ finished above him last year in the Copenhagen WC. He is also younger.

Indeed Hepburn and Dennis are immensly talented and can certainly become great Time triallists in their own right.
And concerning Bobridge, I dont believe his IP perfomances are that much of an indication as they are gauged on totally different levels but I agree that he is around Porte's level if he was on the road he would probably be above Porte but I think he hasnt the TT training on the road to really excel in long TT. Of course his world's perfomance was very impressive yet that cant be used to judge him a better TT as he was 16 seconds ahead of Porte which on another day could be reversed..

 

[Eric8-A]

Even in his younger years, he wasn't a dominating time trialist like Cancellara.

His position on the bike has been said by many to be the most aero. The fact that he says he never really does anything to improve on his TT'ing like going to the wind tunnel, and only doing what feels comfortable to him can make one think if he could be a far better time trialist if he actually cared about that kind of stuff.

 

[Ruudz0r]

I think Porte deserves some credit, yes his Dauphine time trial was terrible but besides that his TT results from 2011 and 2012 are:

2012
Bayern Rundfahrt 2nd
Tour De Romandie 3rd
Paris Nice 16th and 28th (but he wasnt fit there)
Volta Ao Algarve 3rd
Aussie ITT 5th (that wasnt to great)

2011
Worlds 6th
Danmark Rundt 5th
TDF stage 20 5th
Giro stage 21 4th
Giro stage 16 94th (Mountain time trial)
Tour de Romandie 2nd
Vuelta a Castilla Y Leon 2nd
Vuelta Ciclista al pais vasco 8th
Paris Nice 3rd

I think that is pretty consistant in the top of the field. So calling guys as Pate and Stannard better time trialist is just ridicilous.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I wouldn't disagree that these young Aussies are set to rule the ITTing world, (along with Phinney) in the future and that their time is fast approaching.

Lol I misread GH's original post and so I was responding to a statement which he in fact did not make so I have actually deleted it and apologise if it cause any unnecessary aggravation.

Likewise. Not going to argue the toss over Porte. He is at his best, very good, but not always at his best.

 

[Parrulo]

zabriskie with the best aero position?

hmmm isn't that bottle?