"I think Dave's (Zabriskie) the best time trialist in the world..." = Tom Danielson

[happychappy]

This should be the response to anything poor little Garlic Hoe posts!

 

[simo1733]

zabriskie with the best aero position?

hmmm isn't that bottle?

No it's Armstrong! No not Lance I mean Kristin.

 

[zigmeister]

There are 3 riders who are clearly above the rest; Cancellara, Martin and Wiggins.
Then there are a couple of riders who are just behind and Zabriskie is included in that group

Anyway I find it hard that Tom meant it in the literal sense but I dont know what the context was so I cant be sure.

Wait, didn't Sagan just beat Cancellara in the TDS opener individual TT?

I know he had an accident, trying to get back into form, but he is the former world TT champion right now, and some 22yr old kid from Slovakia riding his sisters bike, because he broke his, beat him like a step child.

On any particular day, a guy can have a great day. But in general, the typical guys mentioned are usually near the top. Dave Z is a solid TT guy. But, when was the last time he even competed at the TDF? I know he didn't make 2010, and didn't ride 2011.

In 2009 I guess was his last Tour. He finished 1:09 off Contador's time, 10th on the ITT stage.

Is he on this year's team? I'm confused?!?!

 

[Oldman]

Yeah, the best. Whatta joke. Name 5 current riders within the next 5 seconds that have or would beat his a.s.s, anywhere, anytime, especially in the major Tours, and I bet ya'all win.

I've seen him ride to this level since he was a junior and he was squeaky clean. I've heard nothing to suggest that purity has changed so perhaps that added qualification could be put into the mix when comparing him to other TT specialists.

 

[Eric8-A]

Wait, didn't Sagan just beat Cancellara in the TDS opener individual TT?

I know he had an accident, trying to get back into form, but he is the former world TT champion right now, and some 22yr old kid from Slovakia riding his sisters bike, because he broke his, beat him like a step child.

On any particular day, a guy can have a great day. But in general, the typical guys mentioned are usually near the top. Dave Z is a solid TT guy. But, when was the last time he even competed at the TDF? I know he didn't make 2010, and didn't ride 2011.

In 2009 I guess was his last Tour. He finished 1:09 off Contador's time, 10th on the ITT stage.

Is he on this year's team? I'm confused?!?!

Dave did ride the 2010 Tour, which was the last time he completed the Tour. He completed it in 2009 as well.

His TT results were:

24th in the prologue

5th in stage 19

And it's pretty likely he'll ride it this year since he's a core of the Garmin TdF team.

 

[greenedge]

I think that is pretty consistant in the top of the field. So calling guys as Pate and Stannard better time trialist is just ridicilous.

I was not discreditng Porte i was just saying those 2 are solid ITTers. I know they are not better sry ( my post was wrong )- i shall edit.

 

[Gloin22]

So this great Dave Z Time-Trailer hasn't even made Olympics and was beaten to its place by Phinney....

While he's very good, he isn't best.

 

[Zweistein]

I kind of question the committee picking Phinney over Z. Phinney hasn't shown himself in anything long.

Also, Zabriske is a much better time trialist I believe than he record indicates. Remember, he gets stuck like Danny Pate doing ton of work for the team. If he was fresh and didn't have those duties, he would probably have more wins.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

zabriskie with the best aero position?

hmmm isn't that bottle?

Without comprehensive wind tunnel results, who knows?

He certainly looks the best on a TT bike though, IMO.

Mind you, he looks the best on a road bike too, on the flat, maybe Pippo aside. He spent about 50km on the front of the peloton in a TdF stage last year and from the hips up, didn't move an inch.

 

[Oldman]

So this great Dave Z Time-Trailer hasn't even made Olympics and was beaten to its place by Phinney....

While he's very good, he isn't best.

Taylor Phinney may ultimately prove out but he hasn't beaten Dave Z.

 

[BillytheKid]

Wait, didn't Sagan just beat Cancellara in the TDS opener individual TT?

I know he had an accident, trying to get back into form, but he is the former world TT champion right now, and some 22yr old kid from Slovakia riding his sisters bike, because he broke his, beat him like a step child.

On any particular day, a guy can have a great day. But in general, the typical guys mentioned are usually near the top. Dave Z is a solid TT guy. But, when was the last time he even competed at the TDF? I know he didn't make 2010, and didn't ride 2011.

In 2009 I guess was his last Tour. He finished 1:09 off Contador's time, 10th on the ITT stage.

Is he on this year's team? I'm confused?!?!

You should know that a short ITT or prologue is very different from the long.

Your saying a 100-yard dash guy is going to be as good in the 400 or 800.

Sagan was also flawless on the technical part of the course. I think your confused because you talking apples and oranges.

I would not rank a top three in the world anyway. There are some 10 who I think could medal including Zabriskie who is not going to be there.

I fault the qualifying process criteria. If your injured, but a known TT man what then? I would think you have to have more than one race and one criteria for a country to earn slots.

 

[Eric8-A]

I kind of question the committee picking Phinney over Z. Phinney hasn't shown himself in anything long.

Also, Zabriske is a much better time trialist I believe than he record indicates. Remember, he gets stuck like Danny Pate doing ton of work for the team. If he was fresh and didn't have those duties, he would probably have more wins.

Perhaps his ride in the Vuelta TT last year was enough for the committee to select him.

 

[Galic Ho]

I wasnt reffering to Porte..

Admittedly he has the potential to be a very good ITT but as of yet he cant be considered one.
There is no way you can say the Meyers or Bobridge are better than him, though.

Edit: Read this first then your other post later on. I understand now. I assumed you didn't like me mentioning Porte. Every other rider dwlssonic listed deserves to be on the list. Including Wiggins. As I said, his results post 2009, especially last year and this year suggest he's a chance to podium at every chrono he does. Numbers don't lie. So yes, he's naturally going to be on a list with Cancellara and Martin. I'd add Gustav Larsson on a list as well given how many podiums he's had at the worlds. He's always consistently high up.

Ok fair enough then. Must have been something to do with someone else then. Whatever...But I can say Cam Meyer and Jack Bobridge are better than Richie Porte. Bobridge was selected for our worlds team last year. Came 5th I believe. The year before was a U23 world champion. He is a master ITT'ist. Still very young. If I remember correctly, he could have still raced U23 last year but didn't. That's how good he is. Cam Meyer is equally as good, bit down on Bobridge. Take their ages as a benchmark. Where was Richie? Honestly at their current age, nobody had heard of him. Choosing a worlds team or Olympic squad, unless Porte beats Evans and Rogers convincingly, he won't gain either of the two spots the Aussie team will get (ok we get 1 for one race and 2 for the other, but the point stands, he won't contend for either unless he improves...which is suspect in itself). Bobridge and Durbridge would be selected for the Aussie team before Porte, unless an improvement happens. It's about pedigree. Hence why dwlssonic listed Phinney as well. Young riders with really good results. Porte, has results of course, but not like these guys, who right now are in theory better than he currently is. Which is kind of scary when I think about how good they could be down the road.

Also for results this year, Bobridge and the Meyer brothers are on the Aussie track team. Just like Geraint Thomas their focus is on the track, not the road as Olympic GOLD is a big deal in the UK and Australia. More so than one week long road race. So results their won't be happening. Honestly dude, I'll tell you the real deal with Bobridge. I don't hype him up as our next big GC rider like lots of other people do Down Under. He's finishing Giro climbs in second last place and the same place on GC. Second last. Can't climb to save himself, excellent chrono though, which is what this thread is about. If this were a non Olympic year we'd see a lot more impressive chrono work from all 3 on the road. Wait till next year, particularly with Thomas...interestingly he's not as young as I thought. Was rewatching the 2007 Tour, surprised to find out he debuted for Barloworld. Then again they had 5 riders crash out. Apart from Soler Hernandez and Robbie Hunter...well it's understandable I didn't remember him. Was a lot going on that Tour.

Long story is...Porte shouldn't be on any list. It's actually insulting. Weird considering dwlssonic appears to be an staunch and vocal Evans barricker.

 

[Galic Ho]

( at all the harshness ).

Travis Meyer is definitely not better than Porte. Hepburn might be better in the future along with Dennis.

Porte is good on the hilly courses but not on the flat ones.

@Froome19: You can say Bobridge is better as he is an individual pursuit record holder/ finished above him last year in the Copenhagen WC. He is also younger.

My point was compare results on their respective age differences. Jack Bobridge has arguably the best junior results in the world. There is no doubt he has the goods to have a very succesful career as a chrono specialist. As you said, finished ahead of Porte in Copenhagen, U23 WC the previous year and individual pursuit world record holder. And he's over 5 years younger.

Travis Meyer is debatable, but he's very young. What were Porte's achievements at the same age? I was thinking mostly of Cameron, but I'll cut Travis some slack...Australia has a huge pool of young talented riders. Easy to be over whelmed right now and not look stellar by comparison to your peers. Time will show who delivers. If Porte can turn things around, who is to say a Meyer brother can't get a lot better?

As for team Sky. My point was to highlight that Richie Porte is no where near the top 3 time trialists on that squad. Not even close. As for last years Worlds team, let's be honest. If Cadel had of raced, Richie wouldn't have. Period. Cadel will get the Olympic spot. No doubt there. Gustav Larsson, Cancellara, Martin and then Wiggins are the guys to consider for the podium. Then Evans. Point is, if Evans races, he gets a spot.

Oh and I haven't read the comments about Zabriskie and the US riders. I'll paint a simple picture. First article I saw on the site today, mentioned Phinney racing and other names not going to the Worlds. What just happened? USADA biatch slapped some muppets. Confirmed that 10 of 11 riders asked to talk to them had in fact and suggested they truthfully revealed all they knew about doping. Look at the other names on the article. Leipheimer, Zabriskie, Vande Velde and Hincapie. I've always assumed they were interviewed...maybe not Levi, but add in his change of teams between seasons and join the dots. They probably talked and thus, are not eligible to race whilst the USADA do their thing, or maybe ever again. Phinney got lucky. Good for him, gets some experience.

 

[Galic Ho]

This should be the response to anything poor little Garlic Hoe posts!

Come and live in Australia. You'll understand why I reacted the way I did about Porte's inclusion. He's been hyped for two plus years now. Again and again and again and again and again. I don't particularly like Rogers, but he's a better ITT'ist than Richie and he has the results to back it up.

The results posted on page 3 for him look good. But give everyone the preparation time and seriousness with which everyone races, he gets trumped by his own team mates every time. Rogers beats him, Froome does when out of form coming back from injury. Of course Wiggins beats him. Then contrast with what his previous team mates have done. Contador thumped him in last years Tour and Giro. Evans did as well. Then there is the nationals. As the list said, 5th. From an all Aussie perspective, it's nothing to rave on about. I was only concerned that he was once again being hyped ahead of younger Aussie riders who can and do beat him. Who are more naturally talented chrono specialists.

Oh and as you've seen. I don't like to hype riders before the results are there. Aussies are the worst people in that regard. Especially Aussie journalists. "The New Evans" the new this and that. They do it all the time and it quickly becomes aggrivating. Almost as bad as the Phil and Paul love in.

 

[Galic Ho]

Without comprehensive wind tunnel results, who knows?

He certainly looks the best on a TT bike though, IMO.

Mind you, he looks the best on a road bike too, on the flat, maybe Pippo aside. He spent about 50km on the front of the peloton in a TdF stage last year and from the hips up, didn't move an inch.

That's been obvious though for a long time. Looks amazing on a bike. That's probably what Tommy D meant, but you know how selective journalism works. They can cut out a snippet for a quote and remove the rest of what was said...the stuff that adds perspective to the quote. I'm guessing that is what happened.

 

[Sir Crushness]

Glad to see my original post struck a chord in a lot of avid cycling fans. My comments to various replies follow.

lol, where did he say this?

No wonder people make fun of the ToC, Zabriskie's only meaningful wins in recent years and it makes him best in the world. I guess the Gesink debate is settled then too, #1 stage racer - the Tour is a battle between him, Rogers and Leipheimer.

Well, on CyclingNews news. Post =
Phinney, Zabriskie vie for sole Olympic time trial spot
By: Laura Weislo Published: June 5, 21:45, Updated: June 5, 22:34 Edition: Second Edition Cycling News, Tuesday, June 5, 2012 Race:2012 Olympic Games

Zabriskie might be the best time trial specialist in the world. He's not as powerful as some of the guys he regularly beats in TTs, but he's very aero, and very determined.

I don't think Danielson actually said Zabriskie is the best TTist in the world though. Probably an overeager journalist misquoting him.

Hmmm...That begs the question of can we actually trust anything that is written, and, taken to its ultimate conclusion, reality itself. If you are going to try to parse everything you read from any journalist that you don't like, you are not being objective, and therefore irrational.

I've seen him ride to this level since he was a junior and he was squeaky clean. I've heard nothing to suggest that purity has changed so perhaps that added qualification could be put into the mix when comparing him to other TT specialists.

That can easily be disputed, though that was not the purpose of my post at all.

That's been obvious though for a long time. Looks amazing on a bike. That's probably what Tommy D meant, but you know how selective journalism works. They can cut out a snippet for a quote and remove the rest of what was said...the stuff that adds perspective to the quote. I'm guessing that is what happened.

Position on a bike means nothing if you can't deliver the goods on a repetitive basis. He's always tipped for the Prologues, the TT's, etc., but seems to only deliver on the Prologue or 1st or 2nd stage of any race, but only if it's a TT.

Well, you might sputter, that's cuz he has to ride for the team the whole race, and gets tuckered out by the end. So does Cancellara, etc., etc., etc. You think the guys that win the penultimate mountain stages aren't tired the day before the last TT? Even so they beat his a.s.s over and over and over again.

DZ sits back in the Lanterne Rouge caboose and coasts in every tough day up there. Why then, does he not win on the final TT in every Grand Tour he races, with so much rest?

Danielson mispoke big time, and that's the way it goes. Sometimes the crap you throw up against a wall doesn't stick and just slides down to the floor to become a bunch of crap on the floor. It is what it is.

 

[Froome19]

Oh and I haven't read the comments about Zabriskie and the US riders. I'll paint a simple picture. First article I saw on the site today, mentioned Phinney racing and other names not going to the Worlds. What just happened? USADA biatch slapped some muppets. Confirmed that 10 of 11 riders asked to talk to them had in fact and suggested they truthfully revealed all they knew about doping. Look at the other names on the article. Leipheimer, Zabriskie, Vande Velde and Hincapie. I've always assumed they were interviewed...maybe not Levi, but add in his change of teams between seasons and join the dots. They probably talked and thus, are not eligible to race whilst the USADA do their thing, or maybe ever again. Phinney got lucky. Good for him, gets some experience.

I would agree with all said, but I find it difficult to assume that they are banned from racing until the end of the investigation. This is especially as Leipheimer is currently racing in Switzerland and it would mean all four would have to forgoe the Tour which would act effectively as them admitting they are banned. I dont know the judicial system but I cant fathom they can be prevented from racing without it being made public knowledge.
More likely is that they dont want to represent their country and take part in the olympics with all that is going on. To represent their country is a big thing and their would be a massive fallout if it came out that they were picked with the revelations which may very well occur. Also it will not reflect very well on their careers if they go to the Olympics after all this.

Ok fair enough then. Must have been something to do with someone else then. Whatever...But I can say Cam Meyer and Jack Bobridge are better than Richie Porte. Bobridge was selected for our worlds team last year. Came 5th I believe. The year before was a U23 world champion. He is a master ITT'ist. Still very young. If I remember correctly, he could have still raced U23 last year but didn't. That's how good he is. Cam Meyer is equally as good, bit down on Bobridge. Take their ages as a benchmark. Where was Richie? Honestly at their current age, nobody had heard of him. Choosing a worlds team or Olympic squad, unless Porte beats Evans and Rogers convincingly, he won't gain either of the two spots the Aussie team will get (ok we get 1 for one race and 2 for the other, but the point stands, he won't contend for either unless he improves...which is suspect in itself). Bobridge and Durbridge would be selected for the Aussie team before Porte, unless an improvement happens. It's about pedigree. Hence why dwlssonic listed Phinney as well. Young riders with really good results. Porte, has results of course, but not like these guys, who right now are in theory better than he currently is. Which is kind of scary when I think about how good they could be down the road.

Also for results this year, Bobridge and the Meyer brothers are on the Aussie track team. Just like Geraint Thomas their focus is on the track, not the road as Olympic GOLD is a big deal in the UK and Australia. More so than one week long road race. So results their won't be happening. Honestly dude, I'll tell you the real deal with Bobridge. I don't hype him up as our next big GC rider like lots of other people do Down Under. He's finishing Giro climbs in second last place and the same place on GC. Second last. Can't climb to save himself, excellent chrono though, which is what this thread is about. If this were a non Olympic year we'd see a lot more impressive chrono work from all 3 on the road. Wait till next year, particularly with Thomas...interestingly he's not as young as I thought. Was rewatching the 2007 Tour, surprised to find out he debuted for Barloworld. Then again they had 5 riders crash out. Apart from Soler Hernandez and Robbie Hunter...well it's understandable I didn't remember him. Was a lot going on that Tour.

Long story is...Porte shouldn't be on any list. It's actually insulting. Weird considering dwlssonic appears to be an staunch and vocal Evans barricker.

If you read my previous posts before posting originally you would see that in actual fact I have already expalined my reasoning behind considering Porte better than the other young Aussie talents.

To counter your point about age, it is important that we rank them concerning what they are capable of currently not what they are capable of in the future.

Though as I said previously I do believe the above Aussie talents have the ability to became top TT far better than Porte, atm though I do not have enough evidence from either Meyer or Bobridge to suggest they could be though Durbridge is certainly around if not very probably above Porte's level and another rider is rate highly is Rohan Dennis who as you said along with Bobridge and Hepburn will certainly surprise many people when they come off the track.

And as you mentioned Thomas, I will also warn you concerning Peter Kennaugh he is immensely talented and his results next year may very well surprise all, though Thomas I am expecting great things from in the classics..

 

[Galic Ho]

I would agree with all said, but I find it difficult to assume that they are banned from racing until the end of the investigation. This is especially as Leipheimer is currently racing in Switzerland and it would mean all four would have to forgoe the Tour which would act effectively as them admitting they are banned. I dont know the judicial system but I cant fathom they can be prevented from racing without it being made public knowledge.
More likely is that they dont want to represent their country and take part in the olympics with all that is going on. To represent their country is a big thing and their would be a massive fallout if it came out that they were picked with the revelations which may very well occur. Also it will not reflect very well on their careers if they go to the Olympics after all this.

I was suggesting it might play into why they made themselves unavailable. Agree to talk to USADA and based on what you say, you may or may not be asked to consider removing yourself from a future national team. I think timing is bad. Really bad. If they do appear as witnesses for USADA, putting them on a national team is really, really hypocritical. It makes sense to ask them to take themselves off selection or place them off deliberately. It saves face. Safe guarding the image of the sport whilst policing it. Surprised at Levi though. Always thought he was close to LA and Bruyneel...we'll see. As you said, fallout would be bad if we find out down the track they had admitted some things and were allowed to represent the USA.

I also think assuming they'd have to foregoe the Tour is a bit strong of a conclusion. If they're given immunity for testimony, it literally means they get immunity. But a side effect might be wavering the right for national selection. There is a difference between riding for a team sponsor and competing in national colours on the world stage. Levi wouldn't be useful in a national team anyway. He won't see another Olympics at his age. He's 38. Hincapie is retiring. Big loss is CVV as a work horse, who is IMO better than Horner as a helper and also losing Big Z for the chrono. He is the current national champion and has been for a long time because he is consistently good. But younger guys get a chance now. Phinney and TJVG are great riders.

If you read my previous posts before posting originally you would see that in actual fact I have already expalined my reasoning behind considering Porte better than the other young Aussie talents.

I went straight to where the thread was when I last posted a few days ago. I pretty do that with every thread. Hence why I edited my post and stated so. I read your first post, then found others later on. I often reply numerous times in a row on a thread...it's because I'm reading it in a linear fashion, replying where appropriate, in a linear order.

To counter your point about age, it is important that we rank them concerning what they are capable of currently not what they are capable of in the future.

Though as I said previously I do believe the above Aussie talents have the ability to became top TT far better than Porte, atm though I do not have enough evidence from either Meyer or Bobridge to suggest they could be though Durbridge is certainly around if not very probably above Porte's level and another rider is rate highly is Rohan Dennis who as you said along with Bobridge and Hepburn will certainly surprise many people when they come off the track.

And as you mentioned Thomas, I will also warn you concerning Peter Kennaugh he is immensely talented and his results next year may very well surprise all, though Thomas I am expecting great things from in the classics..

Age, yes is one way to rank them. The other is on comparitive performances. Porte still looses out. Big races, where the Aussies competed to do well. WC, Bobridge was one place ahead. Aussie nationals in Ballarat in January he only managed 5th. All those guys thumped him. Cadel didn't race either. Team races against his team mates and other big GC names...they all beat him. I'm not saying he is bad, he isn't, his chrono is why he is a reliable work horse, and a great tool to gauge a course for a team Captain's chrono in the third week of a GT. I am stating he didn't deserve to be on dwlssonic's list that missed all the names I listed. His results on page 3 do look good. Nice lowish numbers, but they don't tell everything.

You have to look at the entire race and who is really doing what at that time. Which brings me to who will the Aussie selectors pick for the Olympics, where I believe we get a single spot and then the Worlds, where we traditionally get two. Olympics Evans will get the spot, worlds it'll go to Rogers and Durbridge/Bobridge. Only Richie flogging all of them at the Tour would change that. Won't happen. Oh and that's on form on the road this year.

As for Kennaugh. Not too shabby either. Thomas said he'll focus on the road only after the Olympics. Probably start preparing for next season straight after the games finish or perhaps after a break/holiday.

 

[Galic Ho]

Position on a bike means nothing if you can't deliver the goods on a repetitive basis. He's always tipped for the Prologues, the TT's, etc., but seems to only deliver on the Prologue or 1st or 2nd stage of any race, but only if it's a TT.

Actually technique is the one thing you can easily change and save tons of time. Watch the Schleck's on a bad day. Their form goes from bad to worse. It's why Big Z is consistent. Consistent against Cancellara? Or at the end of three weeks in a GT? I never suggested either. Only that his form is something you could teach to youngsters to try and mirror or mimick. It's textbook material...that's how good it is. He isn't winning, no, that's obvious, but he is consistently high up. ITT's over the years reveal a great deal. There are always big gaps. Two minutes down on Cancellara depending on the length and timing stage wise of a chrono, is often considered good. It's perspective that counts and consistently doing well versus your peers. Big Z does that.

Well, you might sputter, that's cuz he has to ride for the team the whole race, and gets tuckered out by the end. So does Cancellara, etc., etc., etc. You think the guys that win the penultimate mountain stages aren't tired the day before the last TT? Even so they beat his a.s.s over and over and over again.

Again. That is a given. But Cancellara is the ONLY one. He's a freak. I made it very clear he is the best of this generation, one of the best of all time. Remember him at Paris Roubaix soloing for almost 60km? Only one not a GC rider. Millar is also consistenly working for the team. Tony Martin. They all come out and put in a consistently high chrono placing. Of course someone finishes higher more often. That's the higher pedigree. Again that was a given...doesn't make your efforts poor. Still very good, just not the best.

DZ sits back in the Lanterne Rouge caboose and coasts in every tough day up there. Why then, does he not win on the final TT in every Grand Tour he races, with so much rest?

You're going off on a tangent that nobody mentioned. Who cares? I don't. Garmin don't. Since when did taking it easier on a tough day (assume mountains) mean you're a shoe-in when the tarmac and terrain are in your favourite zone? Let alone after 3 weeks? They don't. Perhaps you're assuming things which weren't there to assume in my post?

Danielson mispoke big time, and that's the way it goes. Sometimes the crap you throw up against a wall doesn't stick and just slides down to the floor to become a bunch of crap on the floor. It is what it is.

Then again your original post had no link to an article/twitter to CONFIRM a word of it, hence the suggestions in the thread that extrapolate many things, mostly based on assumptions. An article or source removes the guess work completely. Be greatful the thread made it to 5 pages.

 

[greenedge]

My point was compare results on their respective age differences. Jack Bobridge has arguably the best junior results in the world. There is no doubt he has the goods to have a very succesful career as a chrono specialist. As you said, finished ahead of Porte in Copenhagen, U23 WC the previous year and individual pursuit world record holder. And he's over 5 years younger.

Travis Meyer is debatable, but he's very young. What were Porte's achievements at the same age? I was thinking mostly of Cameron, but I'll cut Travis some slack...Australia has a huge pool of young talented riders. Easy to be over whelmed right now and not look stellar by comparison to your peers. Time will show who delivers. If Porte can turn things around, who is to say a Meyer brother can't get a lot better?

I was agreeing with you- which is why i said Dennis and Hepburn.

 

[greenedge]

Also for results this year, Bobridge and the Meyer brothers are on the Aussie track team.

The Meyer brothers are not on the track anymore. Meyer was told he would not do the Olympics/ decided not to do it as the Madison was out. Travis decided not to last year i think.

 

[Ruudz0r]

I see a young Porte is being compared to guys like Bobridge when they were young but this is completely useless as Porte really started cycling on his 21st. That is also the reason why Porte became pro when he was already a bit older then most guys are when they turn pro.
However I do agree that Australia has some really big big talents for the ITT, but it has yet to be seen how they develop (although some are already at top level).

 

[Galic Ho]

The Meyer brothers are not on the track anymore. Meyer was told he would not do the Olympics/ decided not to do it as the Madison was out. Travis decided not to last year i think.

I forgot about that. Right...the revamped track program for the Olympics. Yes, I totally forgot about that. Taking Gold medals away from cycling so another sport can have them. Brilliant idea. I say just make more medals. I was just going to wait for the Olympics to roll around and watch whatever I could. Maybe I should go and check up on what they're actually showing.

I was agreeing with you- which is why i said Dennis and Hepburn.

I know. That's why I didn't quote you. There was nothing I disagreed with. You said it all.

 

[Sir Crushness]

Actually technique is the one thing you can easily change and save tons of time. Watch the Schleck's on a bad day. Their form goes from bad to worse. It's why Big Z is consistent. Consistent against Cancellara? Or at the end of three weeks in a GT? I never suggested either. Only that his form is something you could teach to youngsters to try and mirror or mimick. It's textbook material...that's how good it is. He isn't winning, no, that's obvious, but he is consistently high up. ITT's over the years reveal a great deal. There are always big gaps. Two minutes down on Cancellara depending on the length and timing stage wise of a chrono, is often considered good. It's perspective that counts and consistently doing well versus your peers. Big Z does that.

Do you correct poor TT'ing Technique easily? It's funny how so many riders cannot, for example, your Schlecks. But that was never the point, nor stated. I simply quoted a top American rider popping off about "the best TT'er in the world" You saw the quote.

Many, many riders go to very expensive Wind Tunnels to perfect their form and still suck. "Big Z," as you so gushingly refer to him, according to you and many, many experts in the cycling world, has the best TT position on a Road Bike, bar none. I might even agree. So why does he keep losing?

Again. That is a given. But Cancellara is the ONLY one. He's a freak. I made it very clear he is the best of this generation, one of the best of all time. Remember him at Paris Roubaix soloing for almost 60km? Only one not a GC rider. Millar is also consistenly working for the team. Tony Martin. They all come out and put in a consistently high chrono placing. Of course someone finishes higher more often. That's the higher pedigree. Again that was a given...doesn't make your efforts poor. Still very good, just not the best.p

FC is the only one...lol. Lots of "freaks" (your word) in the past, JU, MI, TR, LA, etc., etc., etc. DZ is the only one THIS WEEK, but he isn't this week, or almost any week. Nobody is debating FC's minor domination in TT's, not one day classics, but TT's. You cannot possibly be equating a Classic effort with a TT - c.f., Johan Museeuw - that is not even in the same galaxy!

You're going off on a tangent that nobody mentioned. Who cares? I don't. Garmin don't. Since when did taking it easier on a tough day (assume mountains) mean you're a shoe-in when the tarmac and terrain are in your favourite zone? Let alone after 3 weeks? They don't. Perhaps you're assuming things which weren't there to assume in my post?

Actually, I started the THREAD, based upon the article here on CyclingNews, so really no tangent, just a simple statement that you obviously so vehemently disagree with. Must be a personal thing.

Well, as the "best TT'er in the world," you sure as hell better produce ("win") nearly every TT in which you race...is that too much to ask for the "Best," or should we dumb it down to, e.g., just win one every quarter year or so in some obscure race like your boy?

Then again your original post had no link to an article/twitter to CONFIRM a word of it, hence the suggestions in the thread that extrapolate many things, mostly based on assumptions. An article or source removes the guess work completely. Be greatful the thread made it to 5 pages.

Once again, Genius, hate to school you, but I did exactly post a link to the very article on CyclingNews. Here ya go again:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-zabriskie-vie-for-sole-olympic-time-trial-spot

Drill down to the 8th paragraph, pretty simple, even for you, I hope.

How could you possibly miss that, but for your balled fists and oh-so-pouting face, as well as your anger issues when anybody attempts to enlighten you as to the real world of cycling?

TY on my "thread success." "...made it to 5 pages."

hmmmm...

Just telling it like it is. Posters like you, who think they have some type of monopoly on a public forum or such, just because they've invested a lot of time over years in an attempt to post a big number, in addition to spouting a bunch of crap in a knee-jerk reaction in an attempt to salvage their pathetic failed attempt at looking intelligent whenever a new poster with accurate prose disturbs your false reverie, will always be exposed.

Sorry for the compound sentences, but not really - with your pseudo-intelligence and "in-depth" knowledge of cycling, you should be able to handle it and embrace it. You have no idea with whom you're dealing with. Keep it honest cuz you don't know sh*t about cycling, or, obviously, for that matter, anything else about which you speak.