IAAF covered up 4 positives by Mo Farah?!

[Benotti69]

Sport thrives on people investing so much emotional energy. Just need to read Armstrong or Sky threads to reaad fans emotions blocking their logic......

 

[Farcanal]

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Sport thrives on people investing so much emotional energy. Just need to read Armstrong or Sky threads to reaad fans emotions blocking their logic......

I think you're absolutely right. Too much emotion gets in the way of level, serious critical analysis on either side of the discussion. I don't approach this from either angle but when the comments here are not 'let's get to the bottom of this and try to find some truth' but instead are largely 'oh I really hope this is true but I hardly dare wish' it makes the contributors sound like silly little girls approaching a birthday present.

 

[Irondan]

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...aaaand the IAAF gala is cancelled

Not sure that's neccesarily related.

I'm still sceptical. Heart been broken too many times

Why has your heart been broken? In what are you investing so much emotional energy? Serious question

What have these questions got to do with the thread or the subject of doping?

Why do so many new posters with next to 0 posting history so obsessed with the identities of more regular posters?

Serious questions.

It was a serious question. You decided your broken heart was relevant to the thread by mentioning it. IMO it isn't and I'm not remotely interested in your identity, it's a complete irrelevance. I'd like to take the clinic seriously, but when I hear people revelling with delight that anybody may have tested positive then it brings into question their motives, and consequently anything they say is tainted.

The clinic regulars don't know you but that doesn't mean your not welcome to post here.

What it means is that if you want to be taken seriously here in the clinic then you need to be specific as to questions your asking of members.

Spend some time reading their comments, learning, listening and responding to them with articulate, well thought posts of your own and you'll be taken seriously.

Not only that, but you'll also become informed.

There's a lot of knowledge in this clinic...

Also, if anything is off topic feel free to ask questions to members in PM's so these threads don't get nudged in the wrong direction.

 

[the sceptic]

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...aaaand the IAAF gala is cancelled

Not sure that's neccesarily related.

I'm still sceptical. Heart been broken too many times

Why has your heart been broken? In what are you investing so much emotional energy? Serious question

I would love a top level british athlete to be busted for doping? Wouldn't you?

 

[The Hitch]

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...aaaand the IAAF gala is cancelled

Not sure that's neccesarily related.

I'm still sceptical. Heart been broken too many times

Why has your heart been broken? In what are you investing so much emotional energy? Serious question

What have these questions got to do with the thread or the subject of doping?

Why do so many new posters with next to 0 posting history so obsessed with the identities of more regular posters?

Serious questions.

It was a serious question. You decided your broken heart was relevant to the thread by mentioning it. IMO it isn't and I'm not remotely interested in your identity, it's a complete irrelevance. I'd like to take the clinic seriously, but when I hear people revelling with delight that anybody may have tested positive then it brings into question their motives, and consequently anything they say is tainted.

"Broken heart" was a hyperbole. As noted by the smiley. But you knew that.

Don't understand why you then make posts psychoanalyzing other posters. What does my "emotional energy" have to do with Farah doping?

BTW, if you want to play 20 questions, how about you explain your bizzare comment yesterday about the multiple conversations you think you have had with me bennoti and hog. viewtopic.php?p=1836119#p1836119

I can't speak for Bennoti and Hog, but I can assure the moderators and all other posters, that I have never had any such conversations with the user "Farcanal". I have no idea what has led him to believe we said these things to him, when his own 30 post posting history shows no record of such interactions.

 

[Cake]

Leaving the Farah stuff aside for a mo, the (theoretical) implication of a head of a governing body covering up tests and asking for money would surely take pro sport into an area it hasn't been before?

Covering up positive tests purely for the misguided purposes of keeping the sport afloat (Armstrong)? That's one thing. But covering up and demanding hush money from the athlete to stay quiet?!! Were it to be proven (and I stress nothing's been yet proven) it would be much bigger than what's going on at FIFA, surely?

 

[The Hitch]

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Leaving the Farah stuff aside for a mo, the (theoretical) implication of a head of a governing body covering up tests and asking for money would surely take pro sport into an area it hasn't been before?

Covering up positive tests purely for the misguided purposes of keeping the sport afloat (Armstrong)? That's one thing. But covering up and demanding hush money from the athlete to stay quiet?!! Were it to be proven (and I stress nothing's been yet proven) it would be much bigger than what's going on at FIFA, surely?

Isn't this what Mcquaid did with Contador? And also wasn't Armstrong's donation to UCI anti doping believed to have been his way of paying for his own cover up?

 

[Irondan]

Sometimes I can't keep up........................

 

[distanced]

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...aaaand the IAAF gala is cancelled

Not sure that's neccesarily related.

I'm still sceptical. Heart been broken too many times

Why has your heart been broken? In what are you investing so much emotional energy? Serious question

I am assuming that the poster who is excited at the thought of farah being exposed for cheating has no heroes of cycling from the 60's 70's 80's and 90's because erm....

 

[Cake]

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Isn't this what Mcquaid did with Contador? And also wasn't Armstrong's donation to UCI anti doping believed to have been his way of paying for his own cover up?

I'm splitting hairs mebbe, but Armstrong volunteered that payment (presumably), rather than having to be told "pay up or else". That's what the IAAF are being accused of as I understand it. Matt Dickinson in the Times today wrote a good article about it saying "if this is proven, some bad **** gonna go down" (I paraphrase slightly)

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Isn't this what Mcquaid did with Contador? And also wasn't Armstrong's donation to UCI anti doping believed to have been his way of paying for his own cover up?

I'm splitting hairs mebbe, but Armstrong volunteered that payment (presumably), rather than having to be told "pay up or else". That's what the IAAF are being accused of as I understand it. Matt Dickinson in the Times today wrote a good article about it saying "if this is proven, some bad **** gonna go down" (I paraphrase slightly)

You have absolutely no way of knowing it was a donation.

 

[the sceptic]

surely there is no way Farah will get away from this right? assuming it's true.

Would be so awesome if he went down, especially after that "we are cleans, here's my blood values"

 

[The Hitch]

I think this is from a different website.

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2846812

Причем вовлечена в такие схемы была отнюдь не только одна Россия. "Те же случаи применения допинга покрывались и в интересах других стран. Разумеется, не бесплатно. Но иногда Ламин Диак годы спустя требовал новых сумм за то, чтобы не дать ход делам, за которые уже получил деньги" - сообщил источник, добавивший, что известный британский бегун, двукратный олимпийский чемпион Лондона-2012 (10 000 м и в беге на 5000) Мо Фара как минимум четырежды проваливал допинг-тесты. Но ни разу делу не дали ход.

And involved in such schemes has not only one Russian. "Those cases of doping were covered and in the interests of other countries. Of course, not free. But sometimes Lamine Diack years later demanded new amounts for that not to give effect to the matters for which has already received the money," - said the source, adding that the famous British runner, two-time Olympic champion in London-2012 (10 000 meters in the women's 5,000) Mofarah at least four failed a doping test. But never the case does not have set in motion.

Same story but maybe the wording here can help narrow it down.

 

[the sceptic]

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I think this is from a different website.

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2846812

Причем вовлечена в такие схемы была отнюдь не только одна Россия. "Те же случаи применения допинга покрывались и в интересах других стран. Разумеется, не бесплатно. Но иногда Ламин Диак годы спустя требовал новых сумм за то, чтобы не дать ход делам, за которые уже получил деньги" - сообщил источник, добавивший, что известный британский бегун, двукратный олимпийский чемпион Лондона-2012 (10 000 м и в беге на 5000) Мо Фара как минимум четырежды проваливал допинг-тесты. Но ни разу делу не дали ход.

And involved in such schemes has not only one Russian. "Those cases of doping were covered and in the interests of other countries. Of course, not free. But sometimes Lamine Diack years later demanded new amounts for that not to give effect to the matters for which has already received the money," - said the source, adding that the famous British runner, two-time Olympic champion in London-2012 (10 000 meters in the women's 5,000) Mofarah at least four failed a doping test. But never the case does not have set in motion.

Same story but maybe the wording here can help narrow it down.

exactly what my Russian source said. Diack would take bribes then come back for more bribes threatening to expose the athletes. It's implied that Farah is one of those that had to bribe his way out of positive tests.

 

[The Hitch]

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...aaaand the IAAF gala is cancelled

Not sure that's neccesarily related.

I'm still sceptical. Heart been broken too many times

Why has your heart been broken? In what are you investing so much emotional energy? Serious question

I am assuming that the poster who is excited at the thought of farah being exposed for cheating has no heroes of cycling from the 60's 70's 80's and 90's because erm....

This addressed to me?
Why would I have cycling heroes from those days?
More to the point, why would I have any heroes in sport? They are just people that play a game. I enjoy the spectacle and discussing it but I doubt many people in the clinic have heroes in sport.

PS for those who haven't worked out why a big name like Farah potentially being exposed would get people excited, since its bonfire night, let me give you a relevant analogy.

Imagine if instead of the Houses of Parliament, Guy Fawkes had merely tried to blow up some local police outpost in the countryside.

Now ask yourselves, why would people who want doping's corruption exposed, rather see a household name with "face of the games" status, several major sponsorships and a CBE from the queen fall, than another unknown Russian with a day job.

 

[The Hitch]

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Sport thrives on people investing so much emotional energy. Just need to read Armstrong or Sky threads to reaad fans emotions blocking their logic......

I think you're absolutely right. Too much emotion gets in the way of level, serious critical analysis on either side of the discussion. I don't approach this from either angle but when the comments here are not 'let's get to the bottom of this and try to find some truth' but instead are largely 'oh I really hope this is true but I hardly dare wish' it makes the contributors sound like silly little girls approaching a birthday present.

BTW please do explain how emotion has "gotten in the way" of our analysis?

What examples do you have of facts or pieces of information from those claiming doping is rife in athletics, being overlooked?

 

[SeriousSam]

I really hope this is true but I hardly dare wish it.

 

[Farcanal]

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...aaaand the IAAF gala is cancelled

Not sure that's neccesarily related.

I'm still sceptical. Heart been broken too many times

Why has your heart been broken? In what are you investing so much emotional energy? Serious question

I would love a top level british athlete to be busted for doping? Wouldn't you?

I'd like anybody who is cheating to be 'busted', why insert top level or British in your adjectives? That very description makes me think that those factors are more important to you than whether the person is cheating.

 

[Farcanal]

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...aaaand the IAAF gala is cancelled

Not sure that's neccesarily related.

I'm still sceptical. Heart been broken too many times

Why has your heart been broken? In what are you investing so much emotional energy? Serious question

I am assuming that the poster who is excited at the thought of farah being exposed for cheating has no heroes of cycling from the 60's 70's 80's and 90's because erm....

This addressed to me?
Why would I have cycling heroes from those days?
More to the point, why would I have any heroes in sport? They are just people that play a game. I enjoy the spectacle and discussing it but I doubt many people in the clinic have heroes in sport.

PS for those who haven't worked out why a big name like Farah potentially being exposed would get people excited, since its bonfire night, let me give you a relevant analogy.

Imagine if instead of the Houses of Parliament, Guy Fawkes had merely tried to blow up some local police outpost in the countryside.

Now ask yourselves, why would people who want doping's corruption exposed, rather see a household name with "face of the games" status, several major sponsorships and a CBE from the queen fall, than another unknown Russian with a day job.

That makes more sense. More publicity for your cause. It's the level of emotional desperation I don't get.

 

[SeriousSam]

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...aaaand the IAAF gala is cancelled

Not sure that's neccesarily related.

I'm still sceptical. Heart been broken too many times

Why has your heart been broken? In what are you investing so much emotional energy? Serious question

I would love a top level british athlete to be busted for doping? Wouldn't you?

I'd like anybody who is cheating to be 'busted', why insert top level or British in your adjectives? That very description makes me think that those factors are more important to you than whether the person is cheating.

They should be more important to anyone who would like to see the incidence and extent of doping be reduced, or at least a more honest discussion of doping in sports.

 

[the sceptic]

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...aaaand the IAAF gala is cancelled

Not sure that's neccesarily related.

I'm still sceptical. Heart been broken too many times

Why has your heart been broken? In what are you investing so much emotional energy? Serious question

I would love a top level british athlete to be busted for doping? Wouldn't you?

I'd like anybody who is cheating to be 'busted', why insert top level or British in your adjectives? That very description makes me think that those factors are more important to you than whether the person is cheating.

because of their hypocrisy, the extreme propaganda in the british media, the narrative that only russians dope.

It would be great for the sport to have a top level british athlete go down in order to get a more realistic perspective on the level of doping in athletics.

 

[distanced]

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This addressed to me?
Why would I have cycling heroes from those days?
More to the point, why would I have any heroes in sport? They are just people that play a game. I enjoy the spectacle and discussing it but I doubt many people in the clinic have heroes in sport.


fair enough,...just that very rarely have i noticed someone follow cycling and not have names from the past that they admire.

 

[The Hitch]

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This addressed to me?
Why would I have cycling heroes from those days?
More to the point, why would I have any heroes in sport? They are just people that play a game. I enjoy the spectacle and discussing it but I doubt many people in the clinic have heroes in sport.


fair enough,...just that very rarely have i noticed someone follow cycling and not have names from the past that they admire.

"Admire" is not the same as "heroes"

It definately is possible to admire people who doped btw.

 

[distanced]

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This addressed to me?
Why would I have cycling heroes from those days?
More to the point, why would I have any heroes in sport? They are just people that play a game. I enjoy the spectacle and discussing it but I doubt many people in the clinic have heroes in sport.


fair enough,...just that very rarely have i noticed someone follow cycling and not have names from the past that they admire.

"Admire" is not the same as "heroes"

It definately is possible to admire people who doped btw.

which makes your dislike of clearly a great athlete(doping or not) rather confusing.

 

[The Hitch]

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This addressed to me?
Why would I have cycling heroes from those days?
More to the point, why would I have any heroes in sport? They are just people that play a game. I enjoy the spectacle and discussing it but I doubt many people in the clinic have heroes in sport.


fair enough,...just that very rarely have i noticed someone follow cycling and not have names from the past that they admire.

"Admire" is not the same as "heroes"

It definately is possible to admire people who doped btw.

which makes your dislike of clearly a great athlete(doping or not) rather confusing.

huh? What dislike?
I don't really understand any of your posts. They all seem to be based on assumptions.