Energy Starr said:
Mark Scanlon, the former World Junior Champion, finished 89th overall at the 2004 Tour. You betta he was clean.
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Mark Scanlon, the former World Junior Champion, finished 89th overall at the 2004 Tour. You betta he was clean.
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I'd say Hayman had one last roll of the dice last year and Chaves, Ewan, Yates x 2 etc riding so well was enough for Stephens to get another year out of him.
TBF, Hayman was already riding like a beast at last years Vuelta in support of Ewan and Chaves - one of the very best domestiques in the race. He was also starting his season well before he crashed.blackcat said:42x16ss said:With his injury he had no choice. Somehow, I doubt that was all he was on though.blackcat said:Benotti69 said:
he was on something, i reckon a little like Wiggo, he was in the crepescular career phase CCP alliterationz, and he decides to roll the dice on a bit more Edgar Poe and penguin classics
I'd say Hayman had one last roll of the dice last year and Chaves, Ewan, Yates x 2 etc riding so well was enough for Stephens to get another year out of him.
Zypherov said:
The only riders to consider in terms of placement are those riding for GC. The other riders have helping roles, and aside from those few permitted to go for a stage win their only concern is making the time cut. So Mark Scanlon, or whoever, coming 89th means nothing.
In my view, in fact, the very basis for this thread - "one clean rider" - means nothing, or very little. No one able to ride for GC is doing so unassisted. The real question to ask is this: is that assistance within the rules, or not? And even that line - within the rules or outside them - isn't so well defined. There is grey area.
So, is there anyone riding for GC who doesn't stray beyond the grey area, into cheating outright? That's a question we can legitimately ask, but I doubt we'll find a legitimate answer.
Came across this article recently: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bishop-i-was-the-clean-rider-in-the-1988-pdm-tour-team/
Might be safe to say Andy Bishop was about as clean as could be at the time.
Might be safe to say Andy Bishop was about as clean as could be at the time.
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What evidence do you have he wasn't ? If my memory is correct he used to concentrate on the prologues in the big tours which suited his background. Why would he dope ?
Benotti69 said:
What evidence do you have he wasn't ? If my memory is correct he used to concentrate on the prologues in the big tours which suited his background. Why would he dope ?
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Yes, why would a rider during the height of EPO use/no hematocrit test and during the Festina Affair on a French team dope? It would be incredulous to think that would occur
I think you might have to do a little better than that BigCog
bigcog said:
Yes, why would a rider during the height of EPO use/no hematocrit test and during the Festina Affair on a French team dope? It would be incredulous to think that would occur
I think you might have to do a little better than that BigCog
I would also put Chris Boardman down as a clean rider. Here is a fact. He rode in the Tour de France eight times but only completed it twice.
If you guys are going after Chris Boardman now you must post some sort of evidence or something credible that would suggest he doped other than the fact that he was a pro cyclist during the 90's.
Anything less will be deleted and possibly considered trolling.
Also: If there is some discussion worthy evidence then post it in a Boardman thread. We can make one if necessary.
Anything less will be deleted and possibly considered trolling.
Also: If there is some discussion worthy evidence then post it in a Boardman thread. We can make one if necessary.
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Chris Boardman is as safe as a house in the clean rider category. I for one would not even suggest that he doped. There are no credible evidence to suggest otherwise.
Irondan said:
Chris Boardman is as safe as a house in the clean rider category. I for one would not even suggest that he doped. There are no credible evidence to suggest otherwise.
thehog
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Got Osteoporosis at a very early age but probably just an anomaly and not dope use related, uncommon in men and certainly at his age. He never tested positive or had a overtly suspicious transformation that is for sure. Being part of Festina doesn't help but not a nail in the coffin.
There was one "visibly positive" test from the prologue in 1998 with two others missing, Boardman won the prologue:
He was allowed to take "testosterone" on medical grounds in 1998 but apparently never took it:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/diets/article-1227777/CHRIS-BOARDMAN-I-cycling-32-I-bones-
Zypherov said:
Got Osteoporosis at a very early age but probably just an anomaly and not dope use related, uncommon in men and certainly at his age. He never tested positive or had a overtly suspicious transformation that is for sure. Being part of Festina doesn't help but not a nail in the coffin.
There was one "visibly positive" test from the prologue in 1998 with two others missing, Boardman won the prologue:
He was allowed to take "testosterone" on medical grounds in 1998 but apparently never took it:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/diets/article-1227777/CHRIS-BOARDMAN-I-cycling-32-I-bones-
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In 1998 he was told he was suffering from low bone density which due to testosterone deficiency.
thehog said:
In 1998 he was told he was suffering from low bone density which due to testosterone deficiency.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is this telling me?
thehog said:There was one "visibly positive" test from the prologue in 1998 with two others missing, Boardman won the prologue:
Excuse my ignorance, but what is this telling me?
thehog
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From the French Senate Report and used during the USADA case:
http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Annex+1.pdf
This portion is the prologue, whereby they lost two of the tests "manquant" - "missing" and in purple shading for "Presence d'EPO recombinante" but by being in the A column it represents "Interpretation Visuelle".
SlickMongoose said:thehog said:There was one "visibly positive" test from the prologue in 1998 with two others missing, Boardman won the prologue:
Excuse my ignorance, but what is this telling me?
From the French Senate Report and used during the USADA case:
http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Annex+1.pdf
This portion is the prologue, whereby they lost two of the tests "manquant" - "missing" and in purple shading for "Presence d'EPO recombinante" but by being in the A column it represents "Interpretation Visuelle".
thehog
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JV is not exactly the ambassador of truth but his assessment of the period and more specifically the 1998 Tour is fairly close. Vaughters even tweets he included Boardman as one of the ones using EPO.
I don't think Boardman gets the "one clean rider" prize because there is a 1 in 3 chance the EPO visual positive from the 1998 prologue is his.
There is other circumstantial evidence against him which others can post or put into his own thread.
Valv.Piti said:
JV is not exactly the ambassador of truth but his assessment of the period and more specifically the 1998 Tour is fairly close. Vaughters even tweets he included Boardman as one of the ones using EPO.
I don't think Boardman gets the "one clean rider" prize because there is a 1 in 3 chance the EPO visual positive from the 1998 prologue is his.
There is other circumstantial evidence against him which others can post or put into his own thread.
thehog
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No. It was Boardman, Ullrich and one random.
In 1998 they tested the winner of the stage, the yellow jersey (Ullrich from 1997) and one random rider.
1 in 3 chance that is was Boardman.
ebandit said:
No. It was Boardman, Ullrich and one random.
In 1998 they tested the winner of the stage, the yellow jersey (Ullrich from 1997) and one random rider.
1 in 3 chance that is was Boardman.
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