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Illegal Transfusion Kit - Astana - UCI ?

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tubularglue said:

I see 2 possible answers.

1) perhaps the evidence didn't pan out and so it was dropped, or

2) Lance and Bruyneel are the most powerful men on earth. They are more powerful than the UCI, the French AFLD, the French judicial system, Alberto Contador, WADA, the USADA, CAS, the IOC, ASO, RCS, and all other sporting governing bodies.

They control everyone!!!

If you look around, most people who post on this board believe #2.

Don't believe me, look at how many posts will follow mine calling me a LA-bot and other derogatory things. They will attack me personally and call me names. They will rely on rumor and innuendo.

They will not, however, present any actual facts that demonstrate actual knowledge of the results of DNA testing and comparison to Lance, Alberto, and the rest of the Astana team.
 
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It has nothing to do with the UCI. They test for the biological passport & don't use any other investigative techniques. The evidence is in the custody of the French police agency, Central Office against Environmental Damage and Public Health (OCLAESP). They're the ones that found the items that are illegal to possess or use in France.

I hope the investigation is ongoing. Since the team manager and eight of the nine riders are now on Radio Shack, it looked really bad for President Sarkozy to rearrange his work day to spend an hour with JB, LA and his baby mama, and to accept the expensive personalized Trek Madone.
 
Assuming Contador's DNA is not on one of the kits and he wanted to exact a little payback from Armstrong and Bruyneel then he would offer to have the French check his DNA against the kits. WIth one rider eliminated, the rest are known.

He could claim that he only wanted to prove that he was "clean" during last year's TdF. :)

I would laugh my ass off.
 

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BroDeal said:
Assuming Contador's DNA is not on one of the kits and he wanted to exact a little payback from Armstrong and Bruyneel then he would offer to have the French check his DNA against the kits. WIth one rider eliminated, the rest are known.

He could claim that he only wanted to prove that he was "clean" during last year's TdF. :)

I would laugh my ass off.

But then the question would arise why he refused to give DNA to clear his name during the Puerto Scandal. The blood bags are still there BTW.
 
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I think they are actually still waiting for Contador's DNA on a previous investigation, no?

Indeed! I don't think Alberto will be offering up any DNA in the near future. What I don't really understand is why they can't pluck DNA from a recent test - for any riders, not just Contador. Are they allowed to test the blood for a bzillion different products but not allowed to check the DNA?
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Except most of those riders, and staff, are Radio Shack this year, and no longer on Astana.

There is a third possibility that squares conveniently left out: The investigation is still ongoing.

Well... that was the case when Bruyneel took over Astana... but they were still banned from the Tour due to actions of those no longer on the team (Vino, Kachekin(sp)).

ASO is funny that way.
 
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Armstrong and Bruyneel would not have to be "the most powerful men on earth" in order for evidence against them to be left alone. A true conspiracy (i.e. Armstrong and Bruyneel acting as puppet masters) is only required where consciously parallel behavior is unlikely. In this instance, such tacit coordination is very likely because the commercial interests of the major players are aligned, and those secondary actors who might want to be more investigative and transparent lack the jurisdiction to do so unilaterally.

For example, the ASO and RCS benefit enormously from Armstrong's participation. If you don't believe that, just look at how hard Zomegnan worked to get LA into the Giro last year. Despite all of the 'Euro organizers hate Armstrong' bs, the fact is that Armstrong has always made gobs of money for major events, and major event organizers will always care about that. Ditto for the UCI, which Pat McQuaid has recently and very openly admitted is totally strapped for cash and benefitted greatly from Armstrong's return. The CAS, meanwhile, is a permanent arbitral body which hears only those cases brought to it on appellate petitions--the CAS doesn't order investigations or issue injunctions on its own initiative. The IOC has an increasingly well-documented history of ignoring inconvenient doping positives, too.

So, this is not to say that there definitely has been a cover-up of Armstrong positive tests. However, I would point out that some massive Lance-Armstrong-as-the-Wizard-of-Oz conspiracy really isn't necessary for the groups mentioned in the original post to be disinclined to doggedly pursue doping allegations against Armstrong.

Finally, as others have mentioned, the investigation may very well be ongoing. Unlike sensational media reports, official investigations typically aren't very trigger-happy with their public revelations.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Except most of those riders, and staff, are Radio Shack this year, and no longer on Astana.

There is a third possibility that squares conveniently left out: The investigation is still ongoing.

I did leave that out. You are absolutely correct and I hope they are continuing the investigation.

With the changes in doping law, the French government could use legal means to test anyone in France by getting the proper legal documents. It would be a shame for them to have announced this and then have them drop the investigation without having actually carried out the testing to either prove DNA matches with riders or to exonerate them through a public statement.

Somehow, I believe that it will end up being the latter where they just let it slip into anonymity without either clearing or convicting anyone.

I would bet if they did detect LA or Leipheimer's DNA they would be shouting it from the rooftops and it would be a front page huge article in l'Equipe.

Oh, and I o agree that AC's DNA is being hidden so that he doesn't become like his teammate at the time Valv.piti
 
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OCLAESP could match the 8 DNA profiles they have isolated with the hair sample that the AFLD took during the infamous 'Showergate' incident ;

Sorry, Squares, on which imaginary team were Contador and Valverde teammates?
 
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bianchigirl said:
OCLAESP could match the 8 DNA profiles they have isolated with the hair sample that the AFLD took during the infamous 'Showergate' incident ;

Sorry, Squares, on which imaginary team were Contador and Valverde teammates?

well they have been on the spanish national road team together but that's not imaginary so forget i mentioned it
 
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Squares said:
Oh, and I o agree that AC's DNA is being hidden so that he doesn't become like his teammate at the time Valv.piti

bianchigirl said:
Sorry, Squares, on which imaginary team were Contador and Valverde teammates?


Kender said:
well they have been on the spanish national road team together but that's not imaginary so forget i mentioned it


I think someone's getting his usernames mixed up.
 
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Is this going to be another one of those investigations that oh-so-conveniently produces results a week before the Grand Depart?
 
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Bruyneel (having watched too many re-runs of "Fawlty Towers") : "I know nothing", I come from Barthhelona".

Bet they're starting to feel some pressure, both over here and stateside.........
 
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If Bruyneel have admitted to know something, he would have been member of a doping ring facing a 7year jail sentence.
That can explain his lies.
 

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